No Bump, BTW

#51
#51
OrangeBalls said:
That's fine. And how many wins did Mears bring us in the NCAA tourney?
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Since Mears usually had to start out in what is now roughly equivalent to the round of 16, he lost right when Pearl usually did.

I'm certainly not arguing that Pearl's tenure was not the high water mark of UT basketball. But there's a stupid tendency among the young and/or clueless to deify the guy and act like he's the Father Of Tennessee Basketball. And those of us who remember Bernard King and Dale Ellis know that there's a hell of a lot more to it than that.
 
#52
#52
OrangeBalls said:
No, others have downplayed his tenure like, "Aw, sh*t we didn't do much with Pearl. Won a few games."

Obviously, you don't remember the Houston, O'Neill and Peterson years very much. Of course, you were still in diapers during two of those eras so maybe that explains it.

I'll leave the sucking to the kids who trot out the same tired, infantile schtick every time. You are good at it.
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I watched them all (and even before the ones you mentioned) so please stop the childish insults.

I guess by your standard O'Neill is a better coach than Bruce based on the head-to-head record?
 
#53
#53
OrangeBalls said:
No, others have downplayed his tenure like, "Aw, sh*t we didn't do much with Pearl. Won a few games."

Obviously, you don't remember the Houston, O'Neill and Peterson years very much. Of course, you were still in diapers during two of those eras so maybe that explains it.

I'll leave the sucking to the kids who trot out the same tired, infantile schtick every time. You are good at it.
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I attended one of the 5 wins that Houston had in his last season. It was the Ole Miss game. I watched almost every Kevin O'Neill game as well as Buzz's tenure. I've followed UT basketball as long as I can remember being alive. So, cut the crap. Pearl was a good coach for Tennessee, but you fools that try to act like he's some sort of God are nothing but pathetic.
 
#54
#54
Vercingetorix said:
Since Mears usually had to start out in what is now roughly equivalent to the round of 16, he lost right when Pearl usually did.

I'm certainly not arguing that Pearl's tenure was not the high water mark of UT basketball. But there's a stupid tendency among the young and/or clueless to deify the guy and act like he's the Father Of Tennessee Basketball. And those of us who remember Bernard King and Dale Ellis know that there's a hell of a lot more to it than that.
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Oh, I remember that era well too but you would be surprised when you asked so called fans how many games Mears won in the NCAA. They get kind of puzzled that it was zilch.
 
#55
#55
We've had four successful coaches in our history -- Mears, DeVoe, Green, and Pearl. Counting up tournament wins is a simplistic way to compare them, because the structure of college basketball is completely different now. Everybody who's over .500 gets in the tournament now.

If Mears had had the expanded tournament then, he would have gone to the tournament 13 times instead of 3 and he would have gotten to start off against American University a few times. If Pearl had had the old format then he would have gone to the tournament once and started off against a Sweet 16 team. It's just not comparable.
 
#56
#56
utvolpj said:
I watched them all (and even before the ones you mentioned) so please stop the childish insults.

I guess by your standard O'Neill is a better coach than Bruce based on the head-to-head record?
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How is that an insult when it is fact? Also, it wasn't directed at you, it was directed at LawVol13 who so fondly remembers the O'Neill era when he was all of 6. Sorry, I find that kind of funny.

Grading the two games that UT-USC played vs. the thirteen games that UT-Fla played is just a tad bit of difference when discussing O'Neill and Pearl.
 
#57
#57
OrangeBalls said:
How is that an insult when it is fact? Also, it wasn't directed at you, it was directed at LawVol13 who so fondly remembers the O'Neill era when he was all of 6. Sorry, I find that kind of funny.

Grading the two games that UT-USC played vs. the thirteen games that UT-Fla played is just a tad bit of difference when discussing O'Neill and Pearl.
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you didn't use 13, you used 4
 
#58
#58
LawVol13 said:
I attended one of the 5 wins that Houston had in his last season. It was the Ole Miss game. I watched almost every Kevin O'Neill game as well as Buzz's tenure. I've followed UT basketball as long as I can remember being alive. So, cut the crap. Pearl was a good coach for Tennessee, but you fools that try to act like he's some sort of God are nothing but pathetic.
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There is no crap. Just stating cold, hard facts that people with an unhealthy obsession towards one terminated coach are having a hard time accepting.
 
#59
#59
OrangeBalls said:
There is no crap. Just stating cold, hard facts that people with an unhealthy obsession towards one terminated coach are having a hard time accepting.
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But, when those "facts" are taken into context, they are much less than what you pretend they are.
 
#60
#60
utvolpj said:
you didn't use 13, you used 4
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I was comparing Pearl against Donovan when he had title teams. Pearl had a much larger body of work against Donovan than he ever did against O'Neill. I'd say last year's loss was kind of affected by the NCAA dark cloud too.
 
#61
#61
OrangeBalls said:
I was comparing Pearl against Donovan when he had title teams. Pearl had a much larger body of work against Donovan than he ever did against O'Neill. I'd say last year's loss was kind of affected by the NCAA dark cloud too.
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what about the 22pt loss the year before when UT was elite 8 material?
 
#62
#62
LawVol13 said:
But, when those "facts" are taken into context, they are much less than what you pretend they are.
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No, the facts as they are presented is UT is a mediocre basketball program on the national stage. Pretty much always has been. They stunk for the most part after Devoe left and before Pearl arrived. Only during the Green era were we having some kind of success.

Since people say Pearl had an advantage with the current tourney setup, check Pearl's head-to-head record against every team in the SEC along with every other UT coach. That should tell you something.

Our SEC tourney history leaves a lot to be desired by a number of coaches.
 
#63
#63
utvolpj said:
what about the 22pt loss the year before when UT was elite 8 material?
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That was the turd in the punch bowl. I can then say UT got to the Elite 8. Where did USC get that year? Just like you did after Fla won the national title, but UT beat them three times out of four.

Compare Pearl head-to-head with every SEC program. Then compare that with past UT coaches against every SEC program.
 
#64
#64
It's really pretty simple in my opinion.

Pearl was great for Tennessee. Tennessee was great to Pearl. He took a program that hadn't seen much success in awhile and won a lot of games and won some really big games. He got a fan base excited to watch basketball again and pumped some serious energy into Knoxville. I went to a fair amount of games the last few years and TBA had a great atmosphere and going to the games was a fun experience. If enjoying that time makes you a "Pearlophile" then so be it. Nothing wrong with enjoying yourself and the product on the floor.

Pearl then royally screwed up and his era is all over. Time to move on and see if CM can do the same thing. I don't see any reason he can't.
 
#65
#65
OrangeBalls said:
Since people say Pearl had an advantage with the current tourney setup, check Pearl's head-to-head record against every team in the SEC along with every other UT coach. That should tell you something.
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Yea, it might be a little tough to check Mears' record against John Pelphrey and Billy Clyde. But Don DeVoe just owned Billy Donovan and Jeff Lebo.
 
#67
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IA VOL said:
It's really pretty simple in my opinion.

Pearl was great for Tennessee. Tennessee was great to Pearl. He took a program that hadn't seen much success in awhile and won a lot of games and won some really big games. He got a fan base excited to watch basketball again and pumped some serious energy into Knoxville. I went to a fair amount of games the last few years and TBA had a great atmosphere and going to the games was a fun experience. If enjoying that time makes you a "Pearlophile" then so be it. Nothing wrong with enjoying yourself and the product on the floor.

Pearl then royally screwed up and his era is all over. Time to move on and see if CM can do the same thing. I don't see any reason he can't.
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One of the few posts you've had here that I totally agree with.
 
#68
#68
pl3 said:
That's news to vol fans and the entire country.
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not really (considering I'm a Vol fan). He did good things but is not the only figure in UT basketball history
 
#69
#69
LawVol13 said:
Yea, it might be a little tough to check Mears' record against John Pelphrey and Billy Clyde. But Don DeVoe just owned Billy Donovan and Jeff Lebo.
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If you can't compare SEC records then maybe you should quit. Maybe you can check out Pearl's out of conference record against Memphis, Pitt, Kansas while he was there too. Some of those just happened to be #1 when he beat them. Care to guess who else has done that?
 
#70
#70
utvolpj said:
not really (considering I'm a Vol fan). He did good things but is not the only figure in UT basketball history
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Tn basketball had virtually no national recognition and very seldom played in prime time in the regular season on national tv before pearl. I don't know how people argue with that. Why does the truth make one pearlophile or bring over the top comments like saying he isn't the only figure in tn basketball history. I didn't say that. People on here have trouble reading and go to extremes with comments. You've done that twice today just responding to me. Slow down, read, think outside of your tunnel and chill.
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#71
#71
OrangeBalls said:
If you can't compare SEC records then maybe you should quit. Maybe you can check out Pearl's out of conference record against Memphis, Pitt, Kansas while he was there too. Some of those just happened to be #1 when he beat them. Care to guess who else has done that?
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Yea, he went .500 against Cal at Memphis. Lucked up and beat Kansas at home while getting absolutely destroyed by Kansas in Lawrence. The Pitt game was one of the best played games of his tenure. I agree on that one.
 
#72
#72
LawVol13 said:
Yea, he went .500 against Cal at Memphis. Lucked up and beat Kansas at home while getting absolutely destroyed by Kansas in Lawrence. The Pitt game was one of the best played games of his tenure. I agree on that one.
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Yeah, let's take a look at some "context" there Skippy since you are so fond of that word. When Pearl came on to the scene at UT, ya think Cal had been at Memphis for awhile and already got his program fine tuned? Pearl took over a program with not even half the talent and yet he went .500 with way less talent over that stretch. Then he beats him straight up in his building in a game billed as the biggest in the history of UT's program when both schools were #1 and #2. There's some context for you kid.

And I'm LMFAO at the "lucked up and beat Kansas". Yeah, half of the roster had gotten suspended and Kansas rolled in with three times the talent and the ol' promoter somehow "lucked up". Godd*mn, that is some rich sh*t right there. You are one obtuse fool.
 
#73
#73
OrangeBalls said:
If you can't compare SEC records then maybe you should quit. Maybe you can check out Pearl's out of conference record against Memphis, Pitt, Kansas while he was there too. Some of those just happened to be #1 when he beat them. Care to guess who else has done that?
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Yeah, Mears beat #1 South Carolina on their home court. Check his record against KY, the premier team in the conference and see how it compares to Pearl.
 
#74
#74
pl3 said:
Tn basketball had virtually no national recognition and very seldom played in prime time in the regular season on national tv before pearl. I don't know how people argue with that. Why does the truth make one pearlophile or bring over the top comments like saying he isn't the only figure in tn basketball history. I didn't say that. People on here have trouble reading and go to extremes with comments. You've done that twice today just responding to me. Slow down, read, think outside of your tunnel and chill.
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you mean immediately before Pearl right? Because UT had plenty of recognition at other times in its basketball history

and I didn't go to extremes in either case. Extreme would be someone starting a poll over whether Pearl should be rehired after his show-cause
 
#75
#75
BasketvolsFan said:
Yeah, Mears beat #1 South Carolina on their home court. Check his record against KY, the premier team in the conference and see how it compares to Pearl.
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Weren't you an avid Pearl supporter until the phantom bump violation came about? And then you did a complete 180?

Whats your position now?
 
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