No disrespect

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Originally posted by OldVol@Jul 10, 2005 6:08 PM
Auburn did get screwed, and the only way we can change the system is to rail and moan about it until the media and the BCS have had enough of the moaning and they make changes that will eliminate the next screw job.
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I'm sure that the "media" is losing sleep tonight over this thread. How can they go on living in this world of inequality and injustice? It's just not fair. :wacko:

~ Like they give a crap.
 
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#27
In my humble opiniion we have bred this media animal and we keep feeding it choice steaks.

I could care less what the media has to say, especially before the season starts. I know they affect a lot of things but, geez, we put way too much stake in what they have to say.

And so many of them know so little. Sooooooooooooo, I'll just let the Vols go out on the field, kick butt, go undefeated, beat SC for the national championship, and then I'll send Lee Lee, Kirky, and Trevor all a picture of Phil hoisting the trophy.

:espn: :espn: :espn: Love it! Love it! Love it!
 
#28
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Originally posted by Vol67@Jul 10, 2005 6:17 PM
You play 1 AA teams no matter what reason you don't deserve to be included in any championship. As for Auburn there were other options that they didn't want to go with. So for my money they didn't deserve any shot at the Championship. Do I think they could have won it? Yes, but I don't think they deserved to be in it.
So as far as I'm concerned no they didn't get screwed. Yes, I would think the same thing if UT played a 1-AA team.
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So you're saying beating a team like one of USC's recent games like San Jose State should be the deciding factor over a team who beat the Citadel, to the exclusion of everything else the two teams did.

Every school gets in a position where they have to coose a cupcake from time to time.

I am opposed to scheduling out of classification. I'm not defending it. But I'm telling you right now that schedluing San Jose State is just as ridiculous as scheduling the Citadel or Wyoming, or any of the Louisianna hyphen schools.

Three's not a dimes worth of difference in a lot of the bottom feeders in Division IA and AA or whatever they call themselves these days.

They're all automatic wins and if you're going to schedule Colorado St. for an automatic win, you should be judged just as judicuously as if you schedule Georgia Southern.

I'd bet my house that Georgia Southern could beat San Jose St. 4 out of 5 games.

The rest of the schedlue should be the determing factor. The NC game should not be decided on the basis of, "Your cupcake was worse than my cupcake."

A little Debbie is a little Debbie.
 
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using Wyoming just killed your point. They have grown up and look for them to give UF a real test.

San Jose State is D1-A, The Citadel is not so yes USC gets the nod over Auburn.

It still boils down to the plain fact one is D-1A and one isn't.

USC was defending Champs and played all D-1 teams.
Oklahoma played all D-1 teams.
Auburn did not play all D-1 teams.
 
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Originally posted by Vol67@Jul 11, 2005 12:37 PM
using Wyoming just killed your point. They have grown up and look for them to give UF a real test.

San Jose State is D1-A, The Citadel is not so yes USC gets the nod over Auburn.

It still boils down to the plain fact one is D-1A and one isn't.

USC was defending Champs and played all D-1 teams.
Oklahoma played all D-1 teams.
Auburn did not play all D-1 teams.
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Wow! So, someon beats Wyoming 23 instead of 40 points. It's still an automatic win 19 out of 20 times and does nothing to diminish the fact that gimmies are just that.

I still say it's completely unfair to judge a team's worth by who played the bigger patsie.

A far more fair method is to compare quality wins to quality wins and when you do that, Auburn got royally screwed.

I've done a study comparing OK, USC, and Auburn's quality wins and Auburn was every bit, maybe even more deserving than OK and USC.

It was all perception. OK and USC were higher ranked from the get go and Auburn wasn't.

What a pathetic way to choose a NC. We spend 4 months talking about how worthless preseason polls are and then another 4 talking about who got screwed because of them.

Preseason polls are not worthless if they set the tone for the rest of the year.

 
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Auburn looked that much better than Oklahoma? Please.

Oklahoma went undefeated in the toughest division in college football. I seriously find it difficult to make any sort of arguement comparing even the SEC East to the Big XII South. Oklahoma shut out Texas. 'Nuff said. The Sooners held Oklahoma to 59 yards of total offense in the Big XII Championship. Most people would have a tough time having that kind of game on Playstation.

If anything, Oklahoma was the most deserving team of making the Orange Bowl. Then you have USC, while probably more comparable to Auburn, had the great fortune of being the owners of a crazy long winning streak and a national championship.

The deal is, Auburn may have gotten screwed the way you present it. But with three teams going undefeated in that manner, one team had to get the short end of the stick. Only two teams can play for the national championship, and the media and coaches nationwide believed that Oklahoma and USC were more deserving to play in Miami than Auburn. That's the way it works.

If a team goes undefeated in the SEC, it still does not entitle them to play in the national championship. SEC teams have to get voted in like everybody else. Tough cookies.
 
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Originally posted by milohimself@Jul 11, 2005 4:53 PM
Auburn looked that much better than Oklahoma? Please.

Oklahoma went undefeated in the toughest division in college football. I seriously find it difficult to make any sort of arguement comparing even the SEC East to the Big XII South. Oklahoma shut out Texas. 'Nuff said. The Sooners held Oklahoma to 59 yards of total offense in the Big XII Championship. Most people would have a tough time having that kind of game on Playstation.

If anything, Oklahoma was the most deserving team of making the Orange Bowl. Then you have USC, while probably more comparable to Auburn, had the great fortune of being the owners of a crazy long winning streak and a national championship.

The deal is, Auburn may have gotten screwed the way you present it. But with three teams going undefeated in that manner, one team had to get the short end of the stick. Only two teams can play for the national championship, and the media and coaches nationwide believed that Oklahoma and USC were more deserving to play in Miami than Auburn. That's the way it works.

If a team goes undefeated in the SEC, it still does not entitle them to play in the national championship. SEC teams have to get voted in like everybody else. Tough cookies.
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You are too easy Milo.

For the top teams I used the final AP poll.

Big 12...............................SEC

Oklahoma 3..........................Auburn 2
Texas 5................................ Georgia 7
Texas Tech 18........................Tennessee 13
A&M 27..................................LSU 16
Colorado 31...........................Florida 26

Taking a look at the stronger teams in each conference shows once again you are just picking something to disagree with me about.

Saying the Big 12 was the nation's best confrence really does cost you a lot of credibility.

I'd give you this advice; when choosing points of debate, don't let your dislike for a particular poster drive you. Emotions always get in the way of good debate.

The final polls are by far the best indicartor of who was the stronger conference.



 
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It goes back to 1 of the 3 played a lower Division team and they got what they deserved left out.
 
#34
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Originally posted by OldVol@Jul 11, 2005 5:53 PM
You are too easy Milo.

For the top teams I used the final AP poll.

Big 12...............................SEC

Oklahoma 3..........................Auburn  2
Texas 5................................ Georgia 7
Texas Tech 18........................Tennessee 13
A&M 27..................................LSU    16
Colorado 31...........................Florida    26

Taking a look at the stronger teams in each conference shows once again you are just picking something to disagree with me about.

Saying the Big 12 was the nation's best confrence really does cost you a lot of credibility.

I'd give you this advice; when choosing points of debate, don't let your dislike for a particular poster drive you. Emotions always get in the way of good debate.

The final polls are by far the best indicartor of who was the stronger conference.
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Where was The Citadel in the final poll?
 
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Originally posted by OldVol@Jul 11, 2005 3:53 PM
You are too easy Milo.

For the top teams I used the final AP poll.

Big 12...............................SEC

Oklahoma 3..........................Auburn  2
Texas 5................................ Georgia 7
Texas Tech 18........................Tennessee 13
A&M 27..................................LSU    16
Colorado 31...........................Florida    26

Taking a look at the stronger teams in each conference shows once again you are just picking something to disagree with me about.

Saying the Big 12 was the nation's best confrence really does cost you a lot of credibility.

I'd give you this advice; when choosing points of debate, don't let your dislike for a particular poster drive you. Emotions always get in the way of good debate.

The final polls are by far the best indicartor of who was the stronger conference.
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And all this means you need read my posts... I called the Big XII South the best division in college football. I did not call the Big XII the best conference in college football. That was pretty much a waste of a post.
 
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Originally posted by milohimself@Jul 11, 2005 8:00 PM
And all this means you need read my posts... I called the Big XII South the best division in college football. I did not call the Big XII the best conference in college football. That was pretty much a waste of a post.
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You still have 5 SEC teams that are similarly ranked to the best teams in the Big 12 South.

And for what it's worth, they play a modified round-robbin just like the SEC so winning the division does not mean they played the toughest schedule, even in their own conference. Just as teams in round-robbin play move on and off the schedule, and up and down in the hierarchy, the team with the highest rankings per division does not mean they played the toughest schedule in their conference.

But, I'm sure you knew that. :D
 
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Originally posted by hatvol96@Jul 11, 2005 6:10 PM
Where was The Citadel in the final poll?
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They ranked # 1 at blowing things up. :D
 
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Originally posted by OldVol@Jul 11, 2005 7:13 PM
You still have 5 SEC teams that are similarly ranked to the best teams in the Big 12 South.

And for what it's worth, they play a modified round-robbin just like the SEC so winning the division does not mean they played the toughest schedule, even in their own conference. Just as teams in round-robbin play move on and off the schedule, and up and down in the hierarchy, the team with the highest rankings per division does not mean they played the toughest schedule in their conference.

But, I'm sure you knew that.  :D
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When's the last time the SEC East had 5 of it's 6 teams ranked in the top 25 at the same time?
 
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When someone calls a division the best....what does that mean?

Who is more competitive?
Who has the best team overall?

What?

The BigXII South has a slew of good teams with 1 Elite Team in OU. Yes, I didn't put in Texas. Ok, fine...I will....but I still think they are quite over-rated yearly.

The SEC has 3 Elite teams in UF, UT, and UGA.
 
#40
#40
One team goes undefeated in the Big XII South from the '04 season
The other team goes undefeated in the SEC West from the '04 season

Who are you more impressed with?
 
#42
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And yes, I agree the Big XII South is overrated but I will still call it the best division in college football from the '04 season.
 
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Originally posted by U-T@Jul 11, 2005 9:28 PM
SEC West
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Eh... I won't change your opinion, but I apparantley the majority of voters from last season disagreed with you.
 
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Originally posted by milohimself@Jul 11, 2005 11:29 PM
Eh... I won't change your opinion, but I apparantley the majority of voters from last season disagreed with you.
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Majority of voters are idiots anyway
 
#46
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Originally posted by Lexvol@Jul 10, 2005 3:31 PM
Am I the only Vol fan that wants to see the Vols underrated.  I would love for Trev Alberts to continue his talking.  I would like to see us ranked 8th or 9th in the nation for two reasons.

1.  It will take some of the pressure off of a relatively inexperienced quaterback.

2.  It will motivate the team.  If UT goes undefeated with its schedule, they will be number 2 in the nation come bcs time.
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If Tennessee goes undefeated then it should be ranked #1 with its road schedule come BCS time.
 
#47
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Originally posted by milohimself@Jul 11, 2005 11:48 PM
At least they actually get paid to analyze and coach football.
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So does Lee Corso. I don't think it means he is NOT an idiot.

I am joking in general but am not really
 
#48
#48
Yep. There are problems with the BCS... But as it is, two teams have to get voted into the BCS. And going undefeated in the SEC does not necesarily mean you get to play in the national championship, as many here would like to believe.

But I don't feel like going off on SEC Elitists...
 
#49
#49
You got to understand, Milo....in my mind....I am always right and anyone who disagrees with me is wrong.

 
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Just a look at the SEC vs. the Pac-10

Most folks just take for granted that the 05 version of an undefeated USC should automatically be ranked #1.

The hard facts are they play in a mediocre conference that has lagged far, far, far behind the SEC for decades. I see no reason for it to change now.

The SEC has winning records all-time against every major conference in the land.

But I wouldn't want anything like the facts to get in the way of some of these seasoned experts. :p

From 1990-2004 the SEC has had 71 teams ranked in the top 25 of the ap poll to a measley 41 for the Pac 10.

The SEC leads, no crushes them in every category.
 

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