No honor among thieves.

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lazy4163 said:
I will not pretend a loony element doesnt exist on both sides, but thankfully they have been polarized and most Americans are moderates and realists and they will never give them absolute power.

That is one of the reasons I love this country so much.
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Do you not realize that we as a country are pretty much already at the point where we must decide to forfiet freedoms or fight our own govt. With the last election, the political powers have been put in place that will evicerate our freedom if left unchecked. The stimulus bill is a good example. Past against the public outcry in a manner as to prevent the details from being made public until it was too late to alter the vote.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
The fringevleftt crowd is right now at the peak of it's power, and it's damn near absolute.
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Weird a lot of people thought that about the Far right back just a four years ago.

I guess I have more faith in the American public than others but I truly believe that Sanity and Reason will always overcome Crazed Ideology.
 
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lazy4163 said:
Weird a lot of people thought that about the Far right back just a four years ago.

I guess I have more faith in the American public than others but I truly believe that Sanity and Reason will always overcome Crazed Ideology.
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What are the non BS social drivel issues that the conservative crowd espouses that scare you?
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BigPapaVol said:
What are the non BS social drivel issues that the conservative crowd espouses that scare you?
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I was scared to death of the Patriot Act for one. Dems signed off on that too and it pissed me off to no end.

Why confused the hell ot of me though is why more people on the right besides Ron Paul didnt speak up.

The justification I get all the time is that we give up a few rights to keep us safe from terrorism.

Ben Franklin said it best.

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
 
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lazy4163 said:
I was scared to death of the Patriot Act for one. Dems signed off on that too and it pissed me off to know end.

Why confused the hell ot of me though is why more people on the right besides Ron Paul didnt speak up.

The justification I get all the time is that we give up a few rights to keep us safe from terrorism.

Ben Franklin said it best.

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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You're worried about the Patriot Act but are cool with taking away guns?

Remind which essential liberty you've lost?
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BigPapaVol said:
Remind which essential liberty you've lost?
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Here are a few.


The First Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Violates the First Amendment by effectively authorizing the FBI to launch investigations of American citizens in part for exercising their freedom of speech.

violates the First Amendment's guarantee of free speech by prohibiting the recipients of search orders from telling others about those orders, even where there is no real need for secrecy.

Creates a very serious risk that truly innocent individuals could be deported for association with political groups that the government later chooses to regard as terrorist organizations.

Punishes speech protected by the First Amendment, even of lawful permanent residents. The USA PATRIOT Act permits visitors and immigrants to be found "inadmissible" for advocacy that the Secretary of State determines undermines our anti-terrorism efforts. This could conceivably include speeches, Letters to the Editor, or other comments about the government and its actions.




The Fourth Amendment
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized


Violates the Fourth Amendment by allowing foreign intelligence searches for criminal purposes without probable cause of crime.

Violates the Fourth Amendment by failing to provide timely notice to persons whose home has been searched. Notice is also a key element of due process, which is guaranteed by the Fifth Amendment.

Violates the Fourth Amendment by allowing the government to seize records in intelligence and terrorism investigations without probable suspicion that the records pertain to a terrorist, spy or other foreign agent.





The Fifth Amendment
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


Allows indefinite incarceration of persons without judicial review thereby denying due process and equal protection of law.

Creates a very serious risk that individuals could be deported for association with political groups that the government later chooses to regard as terrorist organizations.
 
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lazy4163 said:
Here are a few.


The First Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Violates the First Amendment by effectively authorizing the FBI to launch investigations of American citizens in part for exercising their freedom of speech.

violates the First Amendment's guarantee of free speech by prohibiting the recipients of search orders from telling others about those orders, even where there is no real need for secrecy.

Creates a very serious risk that truly innocent individuals could be deported for association with political groups that the government later chooses to regard as terrorist organizations.

Punishes speech protected by the First Amendment, even of lawful permanent residents. The USA PATRIOT Act permits visitors and immigrants to be found "inadmissible" for advocacy that the Secretary of State determines undermines our anti-terrorism efforts. This could conceivably include speeches, Letters to the Editor, or other comments about the government and its actions.




The Fourth Amendment
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized


Violates the Fourth Amendment by allowing foreign intelligence searches for criminal purposes without probable cause of crime.

Violates the Fourth Amendment by failing to provide timely notice to persons whose home has been searched. Notice is also a key element of due process, which is guaranteed by the Fifth Amendment.

Violates the Fourth Amendment by allowing the government to seize records in intelligence and terrorism investigations without probable suspicion that the records pertain to a terrorist, spy or other foreign agent.





The Fifth Amendment
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


Allows indefinite incarceration of persons without judicial review thereby denying due process and equal protection of law.

Are you refering to Gitmo here?
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emainvol said:
you are so damn macho, I can see what Jessica Alba sees in you now.
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So you have given up your attempts to defend Barry boy's actions in Kenya??

lazy4163 said:
Wait let me get this straight you think that assault weapons should be avilable at any local gun store?

Why in the hell does a private citizen need a Oozi Machine Gun?
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Hell yes, if the citizen wants to buy them then they should be available.

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So you hunt will a AK47. Give me a break.

I am all for gun rights, but I don't our county should look like Afghanistan either.
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One of the top Japanese generals said it would be crazy to invade the American mainland because behind every blade of grass there would be a rifle.

The top Russian intelligence officer to defect to the west said that an armed American people was a greater deterrent to soviet invasion than nuclear arms ever was.

lazy4163 said:
I don't gun banning happening in America in my lifetime. It is rooted too deep in American culture. Hell most Liberals own guns in this country.
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Are you concerned with gun law in the lives of your grandchildren?

lazy4163 said:
All I meant was is that there should be a limit on the type of Firepower a citizen should have.
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In Switzerland one can obtain a permit to own a howitzer, I am fine with that sort of rule in America.

I think that is the direction we need to follow.

Switzerland has remained free because of it's program to keep it's citizens armed.
 
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