No More "Boy" Scouts

[Gandalf]

IDK when you were in scouts, but it was a fkn joke when I was a kid. Hardly an iconic institution, long before they acquiesced to progressive pressures. That was a reaction to their waning status, not the cause of it.

When I worked at Camp Buck Tom's, we had a system that explained basically every scout:

1. Church based troop where kids didn't have a ton of choice in the matter (this was me)
2. Kid has nothing going for him so parents just threw him into something
3. Kid gets in trouble and scouts is supposed to save him

We would just hold up 2 fingers every time one of those kids walked into the trading post. There were some exceptions but almost nobody did scouts because it was cool or iconic. It was a club for rudderless dorks and ne'er-do-wells

I was fortunate enough to attend in the latter apogee of America's strength and was blessed to have a father who was active and helped set up a troop with some other men. We also had a church (not mine) who was kind enough to sponsor us with gear. It has since become one of the larger troops in the state.

We were the kids who went on a camping trip at least once a month, were very active was about 45-55 kids when I left. At Skymont we woke to ACDC's hell's bells every morning over the "boom box". Our of our 8 founding members, 7 made eagle.

So this kind of "loser status" scouts, I can't identify with in my own experience. Of course, that had less to do with any greatness on my part and more to do with involved fathers and a great scoutmaster - which is admittedly, not everyone's experience in life.

The key thing is that these bonding experiences with other men (our fathers and troop leaders) helped to shape us, to understand what men should be like. It also gave us opportunity to become good followers and then good leaders in a nurturing environment.

For many years, being called "a boyscout" has meant something. To the fringe and corrupted, it was an epithet - but to society at large, it meant many laudable things but not least, a man with an unshakeable moral core.

 

[hog88]

Scouts got in the way of sports and chasing of girls. Never met a girl that was turned on by a Weebelos shoulder cord.

Scouts had too many rules and we did everything fun in 4H that the Scouts did plus we could make money.

 

[Gandalf]

You think that most pedos are "gay"? Tell that to all the little girls that were raped by men.

My apologies, I was inaccurate in my statement or rather, my inarticulation caused inaccuracy.

What I meant to say is that for boys who are molested, it is far more prevalent for it to be a man, ergo a gay pedo.

While I do not have figures in front of me, I would guess you are absolutely correct in that heterosexual pedos are more prevalent than homosexual ones.

 

[Gandalf]

That's not how this works. They aren't "gay". If they are not attracted to adult males, do not seek those relations, and do not identify as gay, then you don't get to pin this on the gays simply because it's a same sex act. This is a completely disingenuous take and renders the discussion useless. The scouts were denying openly gay scoutmasters when we should be worried about straight lifestyle dudes who are attracted to boys.

Think of it like this...if your son experiments with another boy, is he gay simply because he engaged in a same sex act? What if everything else before and after is straight? Still gay?

You may remember that I dont actually believe in "gayness" as a state of "being" but rather as a sustained course of action, though I admit using the term as it is colloquially understood.

Homosexual = same sex - so yes, that means a man who violates another (young) man is a homosexual, because that delineates his SEXUAL preference (and actions).

Pedophile indicates AGE preference and actions. The opposite being "gerontophile".

Homo + Pedo.

Correlation perhaps but not causation.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

Is there some sort of reason that girls couldn't be a part of that if that was their jam?

My daughter goes camping about once per month, loves fishing and is a crack shot.

The girl scouts used to do that sort of thing before they became a bakery sales company only. It's called the BOY scouts.... I do think both girls and boys do better if they do some same sex organization activities. They act different when the opposite sex is there. Girls tend to be more shy often and less likely to be themselves. Boys also tend to act different either shy or showing out. Sometimes it's a great system to allow girls to be girls with girls and boys to be boys with boys. It's been proven over many generations that such systems tend to encourage kids to come out of their shell more then in co-ed systems. With all that said the Boy Scouts says girls can join now. It's done. They never took a vote or asked parents opinion but it's still done.

Should work great when their all 15 yrs old at camps that are mostly run by scouts themselves. If a father doesn't see the issue of sending his daughter to those camps, I feel bad for the daughter. But it's allowed now. It's not remotely my biggest issue. I have much more of a problem where parents come to scouts literally to be woke and offended and pee on everyone elses fun. There is a type of parent whose only interest in such groups is to break it. They take great perverse pleasure in doing so. As long as they come respectful to the pack and trying to do what is best for the troop I don't care if they send their daughters. Some of the daughters honestly would love teh scouts, and I think it's a damn sahme the girl scouts are no longer able to be there for them. Given what the girl scouts have become I certainly understand why many would prefer the boy scouts. However if a girls parents thinks it's wise to send them to Philmont later i dunno I wonder if they've really thought things out or remember 15-16.

People can try and ignore nature. Or pretend they have some how escaped it's gravity, but nature is nature, and nature will win out over delusions every time.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I tried the Scouts but it got in the way of 4H and 4H was much more fun plus we had girls.

I tried Cub Scouts, saw they were rather domesticated compared to the outdoors stuff I already regularly did with friends and family, and just ignored the whole organization and continued to do my own thing. And don’t regret it a bit.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

My apologies, I was inaccurate in my statement or rather, my inarticulation caused inaccuracy.

What I meant to say is that for boys who are molested, it is far more prevalent for it to be a man, ergo a gay pedo.

While I do not have figures in front of me, I would guess you are absolutely correct in that heterosexual pedos are more prevalent than homosexual ones.

Hard for an 8 year old to bang a chick

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

IDK when you were in scouts, but it was a fkn joke when I was a kid. Hardly an iconic institution, long before they acquiesced to progressive pressures. That was a reaction to their waning status, not the cause of it.

When I worked at Camp Buck Tom's, we had a system that explained basically every scout:

1. Church based troop where kids didn't have a ton of choice in the matter (this was me)
2. Kid has nothing going for him so parents just threw him into something
3. Kid gets in trouble and scouts is supposed to save him

We would just hold up 2 fingers every time one of those kids walked into the trading post. There were some exceptions but almost nobody did scouts because it was cool or iconic. It was a club for rudderless dorks and ne'er-do-wells

Didn’t you grow up in Utah? If you did, that explains your entire issue.

 

[Gandalf]

Hard for an 8 year old to bang a chick

But seems to happen frequently enough with 25 year old teachers and 13-15 year old boys. Not quite the same as an 8yo I give you but still.

Even so, I think gay pedo sexual abuse toward boys is likely much more prevalent than hetro.

 

[hog88]

Hanging out with friends on the lake yesterday and one of the girls is a supervisor with DCS. She was telling us about a case her office got a couple weeks ago, teacher caught 4 3rd graders taking turns banging one of their classmates.

 

[Orangeburst]

Hanging out with friends on the lake yesterday and one of the girls is a supervisor with DCS. She was telling us about a case her office got a couple weeks ago, teacher caught 4 3rd graders taking turns banging one of their classmates.

good Lord

 

[hog88]

good Lord

I couldn’t do her job for no amount of money.

 

[Gandalf]

But seems to happen frequently enough with 25 year old teachers and 13-15 year old boys. Not quite the same as an 8yo I give you but still.

Even so, I think gay pedo sexual abuse toward boys is likely much more prevalent than hetro.

Sadly - another one, a friend of ol Pete Bootygag. But hey, he was the first openly gay mayor of College Park MD! Maybe the first pedo mayor too (but who knows).
Former Maryland mayor, prominent Democrat sentenced to 30 years for possession and distribution of child sex abuse images

 

[n_huffhines]

Sadly - another one, a friend of ol Pete Bootygag. But hey, he was the first openly gay mayor of College Park MD! Maybe the first pedo mayor too (but who knows).
Former Maryland mayor, prominent Democrat sentenced to 30 years for possession and distribution of child sex abuse images

Where does it say it was images of boys? What if there's pics of girls in there, too? What does that mean? Would he qualify as straight? Of course not. Before you didn't care when I pointed out that straight lifestyle men are often same-sex pedos. You only hang that on the gays. Now we got a gay lifestyle man, and you know no details about the victims, but again, you're hanging it on the gays.

I know you "believe" the second you can claim same sex then you absolve the hetero element, but sexuality is a spectrum. You're not gay just because you commit a same sex act. This ex-mayor is indeed gay, but you're playing a convenient game where straight people never perform this act because as soon as they do it, they are no longer straight in your mind, even if they go right back to their straight lifestyle. That's not how this works.

 

[Gandalf]

Where does it say it was images of boys? What if there's pics of girls in there, too? What does that mean? Would he qualify as straight? Of course not. Before you didn't care when I pointed out that straight lifestyle men are often same-sex pedos. You only hang that on the gays. Now we got a gay lifestyle man, and you know no details about the victims, but again, you're hanging it on the gays.

I know you "believe" the second you can claim same sex then you absolve the hetero element, but sexuality is a spectrum. You're not gay just because you commit a same sex act. This ex-mayor is indeed gay, but you're playing a convenient game where straight people never perform this act because as soon as they do it, they are no longer straight in your mind, even if they go right back to their straight lifestyle. That's not how this works.

A brief linguistics lesson for you.

Homo = same
Hetro = different
Homosexual = sexual attraction to the same sex
Hetrosexual = sexual attraction to a different sex

Since he is OPENLY and fervently HOMOSEXUAL, it would be very safe to assume that the objects of his attraction are the SAME SEX as he is, aka male. Now because he is ALSO a PEDOPHILE, and thus is attracted to children it means he rapes little boys.

Homo + Pedo = homosexual pedophile

Hopefully that clears things up for you.

Once again, I will make the statement that my (completely unfounded) presumption is that the MAJORITY of pedophilia is from heterosexual males violating young girls but the vast majority of pedophilia that involves young boys is perpetrated by men who are also gay in addition to being a pedo (as opposed to a female pedo who is hetro).

 

[whodeycin85]

So wait..your still gay even if you dont engage in same sex?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So wait..your still gay even if you dont engage in same sex?

I've been trying to get someone to answer that question for months. Yes, there are people that actually say that you can be a homosexual without having to engage in homosexual activities.

This is where we are at.

 

[n_huffhines]

A brief linguistics lesson for you.

Homo = same
Hetro = different
Homosexual = sexual attraction to the same sex
Hetrosexual = sexual attraction to a different sex

Since he is OPENLY and fervently HOMOSEXUAL, it would be very safe to assume that the objects of his attraction are the SAME SEX as he is, aka male. Now because he is ALSO a PEDOPHILE, and thus is attracted to children it means he rapes little boys.

Homo + Pedo = homosexual pedophile

Hopefully that clears things up for you.

Once again, I will make the statement that my (completely unfounded) presumption is that the MAJORITY of pedophilia is from heterosexual males violating young girls but the vast majority of pedophilia that involves young boys is perpetrated by men who are also gay in addition to being a pedo (as opposed to a female pedo who is hetro).

Thanks for the linguistics lesson. The context is the old boy scout policy of banning openly gay leaders. If the perpetrators are straight lifestyle people, then the policy is fraught. You can call them gay, but they are not, and for the purposes of examining the policy, it's completely useless to consider them gay.

 

[Gandalf]

I've been trying to get someone to answer that question for months. Yes, there are people that actually say that you can be a homosexual without having to engage in homosexual activities.

This is where we are at.

Exactly - you are not what you desire, you are what you DO. We have changed into a silly society where people build their entire identity around a host of ever changing desires.

Thanks for the linguistics lesson. The context is the old boy scout policy of banning openly gay leaders. If the perpetrators are straight lifestyle people, then the policy is fraught. You can call them gay, but they are not, and for the purposes of examining the policy, it's completely useless to consider them gay.

Well the problem is that the perpetrators were never really "straight lifestyle people" but rather closet gay pedophiles. Had they been "merely" pedos, then the boys would have been safe from them but their daughters and nieces likely suffered instead. Men who are not gay by definition would not be attracted to either young men or old and thus are highly unlikely to molest young boys. If they are already known to be gay, however, then it is a question of how young they like them. Normal adults, Kevin Spacey young or children. Banning gays obviates the problem EXCEPT - it turns out that pedos can also lie about being straight and being pedos.

The banning of openly gay leaders was no doubt an attempt to get rid of those who might be pedophiles but no doubt also because they did not think that homosexual relations between adults comported with being "morally straight" and thus could not serve as a mentor for young impressionable boys.

 

[n_huffhines]

So wait..your still gay even if you dont engage in same sex?

You're gay if you're attracted to same sex and not opposite sex.

 

[whodeycin85]

You're gay if you're attracted to same sex and not opposite sex.

So even a passing thought that hey this guy is attractive means I'm gay?? But if I have sex with a trans women I'm not?

 

[n_huffhines]

So even a passing thought that hey this guy is attractive means I'm gay?? But if I have sex with a trans women I'm not?

Huh?

I'll say it again. If you are attracted to same sex and not opposite sex, then you are gay. Sounds like you're talking about a pansexual.

 

[whodeycin85]

Huh?

I'll say it again. If you are attracted to same sex and not opposite sex, then you are gay. Sounds like you're talking about a pansexual.

I saying the act of intercourse with the same sex is what makes you gay.....simple attraction does not...I can think another man is attractive and not have sex with him...but if I I have sex with a trans women I would in fact be having sex with a man and therefore gay..

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Hard for an 8 year old to bang a chick

Bump

 

[n_huffhines]

I saying the act of intercourse with the same sex is what makes you gay.....simple attraction does not...I can think another man is attractive and not have sex with him...but if I I have sex with a trans women I would in fact be having sex with a man and therefore gay..

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