No Review / Refereeing Issues

#26
#26
I was watching on TV and agree they never addressed it adequately (or maybe not at all as I usually have sound muted.) Real time sure looked like he may have reached it but these shots show what the official saw. Good call. 🤷‍♂️
 
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allvols4life said:
Yeah, the "holding" always seemed to occur after a critical 3rd down conversion or a good yardage gain for us but they never got a single holding flag... BU!!SHIRT
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Or on a QB scramble where everyone is confused. IF your QB gets flushed from the pocket and scrambles its 50/50 a hold is gonna be called because a hold is gonna happen everytime. If you go back and look at plays where holds get calls its almost always at times where the play went outside of design. Play was meant to go left but runner cuts back right putting linemen in a situation where they have to recover. It was supposed to be a 3 step drop but instead your QB is running for his life. Those kinds of plays.
 
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On the Nico out of bounds play, I think I saw Heupel motioning for the guys to get lined up and also waiving off the referee...I don't think CJH wanted to stop for a review there as it seemed like the game was finally starting to get some kind of rhythm. That said, I think CJH knew while it may have not been the best spot, he wasn't going to gain the 1st down with a review.

As far as the sampson run goes, I think it was a good call by the referee. In those situations it is so, so, very hard to judge a touchdown in a pile that isn''t moving like that, so just err on the side of caution and call the play dead at the inches line with no forward progress. Of course all that changes IF that would have been a 4th down, or 3rd down play called.
 
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One of the more confusing ones to me was how that catch by Brazell over the middle was not a defenseless receiver. Seemed fairly obvious, and on replay looked like their was slight head contact so maybe even targeting.
 
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pimo1 said:
Or on a QB scramble where everyone is confused. IF your QB gets flushed from the pocket and scrambles its 50/50 a hold is gonna be called because a hold is gonna happen everytime. If you go back and look at plays where holds get calls its almost always at times where the play went outside of design. Play was meant to go left but runner cuts back right putting linemen in a situation where they have to recover. It was supposed to be a 3 step drop but instead your QB is running for his life. Those kinds of plays.
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Only our plays though. How many holding flags for the gators?
 
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Yeah I saw that. My problem is had it been a hard or less we may go for it. With 3 yards left he had to punt
 
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LT21 said:
I couldn't find a thread on this, but there are 2 plays I had an issue with the call.

4th Qtr, 13:20. I think Nico makes the first down on 3rd and 8. They marked him 3 yards short but nothing touched down before he crossed the 1st down marker. There was no review.

Overtime, 1st and goal. Sampson's momentum is never stopped and he scores a TD. Why did the refs blow the whistle? It was pretty early into the run. Reminiscent of the bowl loss to UNC where the refs blew the whistle early.

I think there were a few more but these are the 2 I remember. Please post if you remember others.
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Both of Samson’s runs in OT were marked short by overly eager whistles. The side judge on the east side appeared to blow both calls (pun intended).
 
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Volunteer Boy said:
I may be wrong but I believe the bowl loss was to Purdue in Nashville Music City Bowl. Not North Carolina. Im old and my memory's not what it used to be.
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You are correct. NC benefitted from an offensive penalty to run another play. That’s why you now have the 10 second runoff. Which saved us against FL!
 
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wmcovol said:
I’d never seen that crew before but they clearly knew the Sankey agenda….screw Tennessee. The Nico play was ********. He never stepped out. You’ll never convince me Fla never held once in that game.
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Pearce and others were held multiple times.

Clear block in the back to spring UF's second long punt return late in 4th quarter. No flag.
 
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CincinnatiVols said:
One of the more confusing ones to me was how that catch by Brazell over the middle was not a defenseless receiver. Seemed fairly obvious, and on replay looked like their was slight head contact so maybe even targeting.
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I'm more upset with Heupel for never slowing down when targeting is in question. We've miss out on a few of these calls over the years.
 
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allvols4life said:
Yeah, the "holding" always seemed to occur after a critical 3rd down conversion or a good yardage gain for us but they never got a single holding flag... BU!!SHIRT
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Our O-line are just poorly coached. Our tackles are grabbing the shoulders pads, which officials let slide for both teams as long as they aren’t using that grab to drastically redirect the defender. It’s bad technique but not horrible.

When Nico would run, the D ends would obviously see it before our tackles. When the DE would try to disengage and pursue Nico, our OTs would still be grabbing their shoulder pads, which drastically redirects the defender. That will get a holding flag 100% of the time. Good OTs avoid this by either not grabbing the DE’s pads, or just letting go after 2-3 seconds since that is when a scramble is most likely to happen.
 
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savannahfan said:
Not just against us, but in the same set of circumstances for any team. That is if it can slow a team down, help the team that seems to "fit the needs of the SEC" in the long run. Or just plain help the team that is more popular.
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It totally decided the outcome of the South Carolina Bama game
 
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He didn’t have the ball this stretched out when his foot first would’ve planted.

Not a bad spot.

Spot given was an extra half yard. Nico’s foot was out at the half yard line and ref gave the full yard.

And in the next frame you can see the field kicked up from where his foot was
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He was a bit folded over at first before stretching out, so the ball was probably only a couple feet past his foot placement.
 
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Many things to complain about with the way the game was called. But this wasn’t one of them
 
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LT21 said:
I couldn't find a thread on this, but there are 2 plays I had an issue with the call.

4th Qtr, 13:20. I think Nico makes the first down on 3rd and 8. They marked him 3 yards short but nothing touched down before he crossed the 1st down marker. There was no review.

Overtime, 1st and goal. Sampson's momentum is never stopped and he scores a TD. Why did the refs blow the whistle? It was pretty early into the run. Reminiscent of the bowl loss to UNC where the refs blew the whistle early.

I think there were a few more but these are the 2 I remember. Please post if you remember others.
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Honestly I’m fine with them blowing the Sampson run dead at the 1 yard line. UF had already missed their kick. We had 1st & goal at the 3. UF players knew their only option was to force a turnover. Turnovers are way more likely when the RB is slowed down in a crowd like that with every defender focused on standing the RB up and knocking the ball out. Heck even if holding was called on 2nd down instead of the TD, it’s only a straight on 28 yd FG for the win.
 
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We have to just realize holding on the opposing team's offense is never going to be called unless Josh starts complaining about it the SEC office. 6 games in this year and there has been holding called 3 times against the opposing team with only 1 of them being enforced. 1 against UTC (declined), 1 against NC State resulting in a loss of -29 yards(19 yard completion), and 1 against Kent St. (declined). Our 3 SEC opponents have not been called for a single hold on offense or defense against us.

In contrast Tennessee has committed 12 holding calls for a loss (10 yards plus the play negated) of -223 yards.

This trend is eerily similar to last year where we had like 7 or 8 of our opponents have no live action penalties the entire game.
 
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CincinnatiVols said:
One of the more confusing ones to me was how that catch by Brazell over the middle was not a defenseless receiver. Seemed fairly obvious, and on replay looked like their was slight head contact so maybe even targeting.
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I know we made issue of it at the game, but the game did not slow enough for anything to come of it.
 
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savannahfan said:
Not just against us, but in the same set of circumstances for any team. That is if it can slow a team down, help the team that seems to "fit the needs of the SEC" in the long run. Or just plain help the team that is more popular.
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Campbell was called for holding at least twice. The two I remember Nico scrambled to the outside while Campbell was blocking and as the defensive player tried to follow Nico (run away from Campbell) Campbell held onto the jersey…the refs let offensive players use their hand and they can grab jersey as long as they keep their arms in and are pushing..but when the defender starts to run away they have to let go or they’ll get called for holding pretty much every time
 
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I think the Brazzell catch over the middle could have been targeting (maybe - at least reviewable), there was a block in the back on the second good punt return in the fourth, the hold call on 76 on the last possession was super weak, and the fact that no UT opponents never get called for offensive holding is miraculous.
 
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