No stars or angels on a Christmas tree, that is religious symbolism.

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Sonoma county California.

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Irv Sutley with a face that would offend any self respecting outhouse.
 
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The word Christmas is religious symbolism. It is the official holiday to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ.
If not for Jesus there would be no Christmas. If one does not believe, one does not have to celebrate.
 
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Liberals are always about tolerance and acceptance except when it comes to anything Christian. What are they so affraid of? I am sure this moron would not have had any complaint if it were an Islamic figure up.
 
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Vols378 said:
The word Christmas is religious symbolism. It is the official holiday to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ.
If not for Jesus there would be no Christmas. If one does not believe, one does not have to celebrate.
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what does that have to do with the article? It's about religious symbols in county buildings which is not allowed.

volfanjustin said:
Liberals are always about tolerance and acceptance except when it comes to anything Christian. What are they so affraid of? I am sure this moron would not have had any complaint if it were an Islamic figure up.
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doubt that's true since he also requested the removal of a Jewish symbol.
 
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He said he's satisfied the county has complied with his request. But he hinted at more battles ahead, including asking the county to remove a cross that was erected on the border of Sonoma's Ernie Smith Park as a memorial to a crash victim.
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people like this guy embody what is horribly wrong in this country. if you don't like stuff like this, just ignore it. you can't tell me that a star on a tree or a cross on the side of the road is forcing anything on anybody. if i was the family of the person that died in the crash, i may have to put a nice big cross in his front yard to memoralize this guys idiocy.
 
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The Christmas tree is actually a Pagan ceremony celebrating the winter solstice. Adapted by the early Church. Changing over the years through different cultures ranging from the Germans and spreading through Europe and the Americas, then the rest of most of the world.
 
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rpvol said:
people like this guy embody what is horribly wrong in this country. if you don't like stuff like this, just ignore it. you can't tell me that a star on a tree or a cross on the side of the road is forcing anything on anybody. if i was the family of the person that died in the crash, i may have to put a nice big cross in his front yard to memoralize this guys idiocy.
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It just gives these liberal anti-American, anti-Christian freaks something to whine about. It all comes back to this falsehood that there is a seperation in church and state.
 
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orangeblooded2 said:
The Christmas tree is actually a Pagan ceremony celebrating the winter solstice. Adapted by the early Church. Changing over the years through different cultures ranging from the Germans and spreading through Europe and the Americas, then the rest of most of the world.
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Thanks, Sheldon. Where's Linus when you need him?

I'm okay w/ folks not wanting stars or angels on their Christmas trees. Decreased demand could drive down the price for those of us who do like them. At least until the IFG steps in to save the collapsing market. :birgits_giggle:
 
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J-P said:
Thanks, Sheldon. Where's Linus when you need him?

I'm okay w/ folks not wanting stars or angels on their Christmas trees. Decreased demand could drive down the price for those of us who do like them. At least until the IFG steps in to save the collapsing market. :birgits_giggle:
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Actually I'm a Merry Christmas, Not a happy Holidays kinda guy.:p
 
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volfanjustin said:
It just gives these liberal anti-American, anti-Christian freaks something to whine about. It all comes back to this falsehood that there is a seperation in church and state.
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Did you even read the article? The word "separation" isn't used once. And I fail to see what is "anti-american" about standing up for constitutional protections.
 
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rjd970 said:
Did you even read the article? The word "separation" isn't used once. And I fail to see what is "anti-american" about standing up for constitutional protections.
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I know the word is not used but that is what is behind his arguement. And what in the world do you need constitutional protection from?
 
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orangeblooded2 said:
Actually I'm a Merry Christmas, Not a happy Holidays kinda guy.:p
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You're response above was very similar to a line from the character Sheldon in Monday night's rerun episode of The Big Bang Theory, a fairly funny sitcom if you like that sort of thing, although they seldom miss their opportunities to take a shot at Christians.
 
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J-P said:
You're response above was very similar to a line from the character Sheldon in Monday night's rerun episode of The Big Bang Theory, a fairly funny sitcom if you like that sort of thing, although they seldom miss their opportunities to take a shot at Christians.
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As all of Hollywood and the media rarely do.
 
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volfanjustin said:
I know the word is not used but that is what is behind his arguement. And what in the world do you need constitutional protection from?
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Religious establishment. Would you want a Qu'ran to be displayed at government buildings?
 
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rjd970 said:
Religious establishment. Would you want a Qu'ran to be displayed at government buildings?
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Why should it ever be?? I've looked at the names of those that signed the declaration and didn't see a muslim name. Its not where ther roots were.
 
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Oldvol75 said:
Why should it ever be?? I've looked at the names of those that signed the declaration and didn't see a muslim name. Its not where ther roots were.
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Yeah, but more important than the names are what they put in the constitution. Not one mention of God or Christianity. Actual text carries the weight, not evidential circumstances on what each may have individually believed.

Even you would have to agree with that. This business that the founders were or were not Christians is irrelevant when interpreting constitutional framework.
 
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rjd970 said:
Religious establishment. Would you want a Qu'ran to be displayed at government buildings?
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We are a Christian nation, there is no seperation of church and state. Look on our money, look behind the justices on the Supreme Court. There is a freedom OF religion, not a freedom FROM religion. As I see it majority rules, most people in this country believe in Jesus Christ. If I were to go to a mostly muslim country (which I would not do because I probably would not make it back with my head still attached to my body) I would not expect them to hide all their Islamic beliefs and symbols because I am a Christian.
 
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rjd970 said:
Yeah, but more important than the names are what they put in the constitution. Not one mention of God or Christianity. Actual text carries the weight, not evidential circumstances on what each may have individually believed.

Even you would have to agree with that. This business that the founders were or were not Christians is irrelevant when interpreting constitutional framework.
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Well when I read the words Seperation of Church and State in the actual constitution it would make me think that way. As you said,"Actual text carries the weight, not evidential circumstances on what each may have individually believed." We all know that phrase came from a letter to the Dansbury Baptist Assoc. and is not in the constitution. So on one hand we can interpret one letter but we cannot do the same for the remaining letters by our founding fathers? Interesting!
 
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Oldvol75 said:
15 yard penalty, Unnecessary Ugliness! Automatic first down!
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That kind of ugly don't grow on trees.

They say that by the time a man reaches fifty he has the face he deserves.

Hard for me to undestand how anyone could deserve to be that ugly, maybe I've led a sheltered life.

rjd970 said:
Did you even read the article? The word "separation" isn't used once. And I fail to see what is "anti-american" about standing up for constitutional protections.
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The US constitution doesn't ban decorations on Christmas trees.


rjd970 said:
Yeah, but more important than the names are what they put in the constitution. Not one mention of God or Christianity. Actual text carries the weight, not evidential circumstances on what each may have individually believed.

Even you would have to agree with that. This business that the founders were or were not Christians is irrelevant when interpreting constitutional framework.
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So you are saying we should tear down the Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln memorials and all the other memorials in Washington DC that have religious statements or symbolism??
 
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volfanjustin said:
We are a Christian nation, there is no seperation of church and state. Look on our money, look behind the justices on the Supreme Court. There is a freedom OF religion, not a freedom FROM religion. As I see it majority rules, most people in this country believe in Jesus Christ. If I were to go to a mostly muslim country (which I would not do because I probably would not make it back with my head still attached to my body) I would not expect them to hide all their Islamic beliefs and symbols because I am a Christian.
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In no way is this country based on a theocratic state. So the notion of a christian nation is silly.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
In no way is this country based on a theocratic state. So the notion of a christian nation is silly.
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Your first statement is correct, the second is not.

The founding fathers were unaimous in their belief that they were building our government based upon Christian principles.
 
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