No stars or angels on a Christmas tree, that is religious symbolism.

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The Lords son Jesus Christ is the savior of the souls of all mankind, period. ANY speculation is not opinion nor is it questionable. It just simply is.

Christmas trees and earthly symbols have nothing to do with Salvation. Neither do politicians or Civil liberty unions.
 
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volfanjustin said:
Liberals are always about tolerance and acceptance except when it comes to anything Christian. What are they so affraid of? I am sure this moron would not have had any complaint if it were an Islamic figure up.
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i wanna post up "do you know allah" signs all over like you see for christian churches and see how tolerant conservatives are
 
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Anyone hear ab the ornaments on the tree in the Blue Room of the WhiteHouse? - some chinese emporer that killed 50 million people- General Chow or something
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westsidefan said:
i wanna post up "do you know allah" signs all over like you see for christian churches and see how tolerant conservatives are
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I've always heard that "ignorance is bliss", if that is true then I would guess you are an expert in the field of serendipity!! :)

Orangekush423 said:
Anyone hear ab the ornaments on the tree in the Blue Room of the WhiteHouse? - some chinese emporer that killed 50 million people- General Chow or something
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Are you talking about this??

I thought it was about Mao!
 
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utvolpj said:
what does that have to do with the article? It's about religious symbols in county buildings which is not allowed.



doubt that's true since he also requested the removal of a Jewish symbol.
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You know as well as I do that seperation of C&S has been taken completely out of context. If it was in context, the founding fathers would not have been leading prayer before every meeting just days after putting the Constitution together.

This was the first prayer after it was signed.

First Prayer of the Continental Congress, Office of the Chaplain

Makes ya think all the liberals might have taken this out of context LIKE USUAL.
 
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Seperation of C&S was meant to keep the church from having control of the government like in England and France. That was it. They wanted the country led by elected officials. Not the church. This is what it meant. Nothing else. The founding fathers clearly showed this by the way they ran the country. Anyone who disagrees is not facing the facts of history.
 
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The cliffs notes "Seperation of Church and State " description of the 1st Amendment does a huge disservice to the original intent, as buckeyes described.
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volfanjustin said:
We are a Christian nation, there is no seperation of church and state. Look on our money, look behind the justices on the Supreme Court. There is a freedom OF religion, not a freedom FROM religion. As I see it majority rules, most people in this country believe in Jesus Christ. If I were to go to a mostly muslim country (which I would not do because I probably would not make it back with my head still attached to my body) I would not expect them to hide all their Islamic beliefs and symbols because I am a Christian.
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Screw it. Let's just convert into a papacy.

I don't agree with this guy in the article, and I certainly don't find a star on top of a tree symbolic, but what you posted is kind of silly.

Sure, we were founded on Christian beliefs, but the percentage of Christians in this country IS slowly deteriorating as the years go by. Progress exists for a reason.

I do not favor the concept of an entire nation subscribing to a specific religion. It never ends well.
 
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Ihatethebuckeyes said:
Seperation of C&S was meant to keep the church from having control of the government like in England and France. That was it. They wanted the country led by elected officials. Not the church. This is what it meant. Nothing else. The founding fathers clearly showed this by the way they ran the country. Anyone who disagrees is not facing the facts of history.
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Holy ******* ****

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+1

Happy holidays, ihtb.
 
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Ihatethebuckeyes said:
Seperation of C&S was meant to keep the church from having control of the government like in England and France. That was it. They wanted the country led by elected officials. Not the church. This is what it meant. Nothing else. The founding fathers clearly showed this by the way they ran the country. Anyone who disagrees is not facing the facts of history.
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While true our founding fathers certainly didn't want one religion held above all others in govt and that is what you guys are suggesting.
 
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droski said:
While true our founding fathers certainly didn't want one religion held above all others in govt and that is what you guys are suggesting.
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Christ and religion have about as much in common as burgers and McDonalds. They knew this. They also put the word Jesus in multiple prayers prayed right before session. I'm a Christian ... when I die Christ isn't going to ask if I was Baptist or Methodist or Jewish. H'es going to look in the book to see if I was a Christ follower. Last I check, Christ went against the religions of the day and it caused him his life.
 
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Hm. Gotta agree with gs and buck, separation of church and state has been taken way out of context over the years.

Gotta also agree with droski, there was no desire to create one central religion. This is why our currency says "In GOD we trust."

Several members were also Masons. Masons have only the requirement that one believe in a higher power, and practice religious tolerance... usually.

Removal of all things religious, or direction toward only one religion, eventually leads to the Taliban like removal of ancient statues of Buddha, that by all rights, were nothing more than works of art.
 
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fl0at said:
Hm. Gotta agree with gs and buck, separation of church and state has been taken way out of context over the years.

Gotta also agree with droski, there was no desire to create one central religion. This is why our currency says "In GOD we trust."

Several members were also Masons. Masons have only the requirement that one believe in a higher power, and practice religious tolerance... usually.

Removal of all things religious, or direction toward only one religion, eventually leads to the Taliban like removal of ancient statues of Buddha, that by all rights, were nothing more than works of art.
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That's kinda like saying the country was formed by several white guys.
 
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Ihatethebuckeyes said:
That's kinda like saying the country was formed by several white guys.
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They weren't all masons.

As to your point, they are called the "Founding Fathers," not the "Forming Fathers."

They founded, they didn't form. They laid the ground work (the foundation) for a country, but they didn't form it; several generations of men, women and children formed this country.

When you think of your formative years, you think of your beginning years, when you learned and grew, do you not? Our formative years, as a country, was not accomplished by only "white guys." But several of them were.
 
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Oh the Masons formed it. From the beginning through FDR through Newt etc etc etc. This country was set up by Templars ran by Templars, banked by Templars, and thrown away when the Templas no longer need it.
 
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Ihatethebuckeyes said:
Oh the Masons formed it. From the beginning through FDR through Newt etc etc etc. This country was set up by Templars ran by Templars, banked by Templars, and thrown away when the Templas no longer need it.
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This country has a strong Masonic tradition, for sure. But not all our Founding Fathers were Masons, and not all our Presidents were Masons.

Many, many were, though. To be one, ask one bumper stickers weren't around back in the day, but I'm sure word still got around.
 
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You ever checked out the street design of Washington DC? Or the Masonic Temple in regards to the WH? Or the banking industry and the main country its in and the flag they fly? Or the dollar bill? Or who FDR got advice from? Masons are just a smoke screen. The ships didn't just disappear when France went after them ... they didn't just vanish ... they went somewhere.
 
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fl0at said:
Hm. Gotta agree with gs and buck, separation of church and state has been taken way out of context over the years.

Gotta also agree with droski, there was no desire to create one central religion. This is why our currency says "In GOD we trust."

Several members were also Masons. Masons have only the requirement that one believe in a higher power, and practice religious tolerance... usually.

Removal of all things religious, or direction toward only one religion, eventually leads to the Taliban like removal of ancient statues of Buddha, that by all rights, were nothing more than works of art.
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The Taliban is an excellent example of the separation of church and state.
 
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Ihatethebuckeyes said:
You ever checked out the street design of Washington DC? Or the Masonic Temple in regards to the WH? Or the banking industry and the main country its in and the flag they fly? Or the dollar bill? Or who FDR got advice from? Masons are just a smoke screen. The ships didn't just disappear when France went after them ... they didn't just vanish ... they went somewhere.
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wow.
 
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Ihatethebuckeyes said:
You ever checked out the street design of Washington DC? Or the Masonic Temple in regards to the WH? Or the banking industry and the main country its in and the flag they fly? Or the dollar bill? Or who FDR got advice from? Masons are just a smoke screen. The ships didn't just disappear when France went after them ... they didn't just vanish ... they went somewhere.
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lol
 
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