nortwestern football players looking to join a union

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Here's a list of debilitating / fatal workplace incidents my customers have had to deal with over the past year:

Man's head crushed under forklift (fatal)

Man pulled off barge and into Mississippi River (fatal)

Damper explodes while three contractors are working on it (two deaths, one covered in 3rd degree burns)

18yr old's hand crushed by crane

Two men crushed under steel tubing (fatal).

Man decapitated by large rotary hammer

...and I'm sure there are more I haven't been told about. This stuff happens all the time and never makes the news. Basically, it seems like he's got more "real world" sense than you if he's advocating workman's comp/disability/job security/safety compliance.

In the meantime, a majority of state budgets are chronically in the red because state employee unions refuse to accept benefits packages that are reasonable and comparable to the private sector. BTW - are you saying those tragic incidents could have all been prevented if those employees were unionized? How can you prove that?

 

[Bjorn_Yesterday]

In the meantime, a majority of state budgets are chronically in the red because state employee unions refuse to accept benefits packages that are reasonable and comparable to the private sector. BTW - are you saying those tragic incidents could have all been prevented if those employees were unionized? How can you prove that?

No, I'm saying it truly irritated me that you were so dismissive of a post dealing primarily with workplace safety and worker's comp; two of the few remaining noble causes that unions still champion...and necessarily so.

 

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No, I'm saying it truly irritated me that you were so dismissive of a post dealing primarily with workplace safety and worker's comp; two of the few remaining noble causes that unions still champion...and necessarily so.

They are necessary for that reason, I agree. And I think people in general and employers would be more accepting of unions if they didn't engage in the type of negotiation tactics and strong arming that they do, and then turn around and funnel their members dues to the democratic party, regardless of the member's political affiliation.

 

[Bjorn_Yesterday]

They are necessary for that reason, I agree. And I think people in general and employers would be more accepting of unions if they didn't engage in the type of negotiation tactics and strong arming that they do, and then turn around and funnel their members dues to the democratic party, regardless of the member's political affiliation.

That's the only point I really cared to argue. I can completely agree that the money/benefits thing has been out of control for awhile now (in most fields). No idea how unions would play out in college. I think I'd get annoyed with "student"-athletes getting tons of money, better benefits than me, and a free "education." The Bachelor's via UNC style "classes" as auxiliary remuneration would piss me off.

 

[onevol74]

Here's a list of debilitating / fatal workplace incidents my customers have had to deal with over the past year:

Man's head crushed under forklift (fatal)

Man pulled off barge and into Mississippi River (fatal)

Damper explodes while three contractors are working on it (two deaths, one covered in 3rd degree burns)

18yr old's hand crushed by crane

Two men crushed under steel tubing (fatal).

Man decapitated by large rotary hammer

...and I'm sure there are more I haven't been told about. This stuff happens all the time and never makes the news. Basically, it seems like he's got more "real world" sense than you if he's advocating workman's comp/disability/job security/safety compliance.

If you think unions are for employee safety then why do they keep trying to save the jobs of the violators of safety policies created by management put in place to protect employees? The simple answer is because the more incidents that happen create a need for their cause, to hold management and consumers of products hostage. If unions were not making money by stealing the hard earned wages of workers they would disappear.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Anti-trust claim filed by Jeffrey Kessler challenges NCAA amateur model - ESPN

I said it was coming, the NCAA and the colleges are going to have to pay billions in the future and billions for their past behavior. The sooner they see what they are doing is both legally and morally wrong... the less money they will lose.

The NCAA has recently admitted to profiting and failed to protect the likeness of their college players in the EA lawsuit, which is going to cost both of them lots and lots of money down the road.

I have no idea why sports is given a free pass, it's a criminal enterprise at it's core...

Kessler told ESPN. "In no other business -- and college sports is big business -- would it ever be suggested that the people who are providing the essential services work for free. Only in big-time college sports is that line drawn."

It contends that NCAA member universities are acting as a cartel by fixing the prices paid to athletes, who presumably would receive offers well in excess of tuition, room, board and books if not restricted by NCAA rules.

It's price fixing which should be prosecute by the federal government and state AGs.

 

[onevol74]

Anti-trust claim filed by Jeffrey Kessler challenges NCAA amateur model - ESPN

I said it was coming, the NCAA and the colleges are going to have to pay billions in the future and billions for their past behavior. The sooner they see what they are doing is both legally and morally wrong... the less money they will lose.

The NCAA has recently admitted to profiting and failed to protect the likeness of their college players in the EA lawsuit, which is going to cost both of them lots and lots of money down the road.

I have no idea why sports is given a free pass, it's a criminal enterprise at it's core...

Kessler told ESPN. "In no other business -- and college sports is big business -- would it ever be suggested that the people who are providing the essential services work for free. Only in big-time college sports is that line drawn."

It contends that NCAA member universities are acting as a cartel by fixing the prices paid to athletes, who presumably would receive offers well in excess of tuition, room, board and books if not restricted by NCAA rules.

It's price fixing which should be prosecute by the federal government and state AGs.

Where is that money going to come from? I, as a fan, have no interest in supporting a semi-pro farm league and know many people with the same attitude. Without fan appeal college athletics will fade in the future. When you add the concussion lawsuits I suspect that the colleges and universities may abandon athletics completely.

 

[RikidyBones]

Anti-trust claim filed by Jeffrey Kessler challenges NCAA amateur model - ESPN

I said it was coming, the NCAA and the colleges are going to have to pay billions in the future and billions for their past behavior. The sooner they see what they are doing is both legally and morally wrong... the less money they will lose.

The NCAA has recently admitted to profiting and failed to protect the likeness of their college players in the EA lawsuit, which is going to cost both of them lots and lots of money down the road.

I have no idea why sports is given a free pass, it's a criminal enterprise at it's core...

Kessler told ESPN. "In no other business -- and college sports is big business -- would it ever be suggested that the people who are providing the essential services work for free. Only in big-time college sports is that line drawn."

It contends that NCAA member universities are acting as a cartel by fixing the prices paid to athletes, who presumably would receive offers well in excess of tuition, room, board and books if not restricted by NCAA rules.

It's price fixing which should be prosecute by the federal government and state AGs.

Out of curiosity, what's the difference between offering a scholarship as compensation and best buy paying 8$ an hour and demanding 40+ hours? It's not fixed, per se, as Harvards cost of tuition is more than Tennessee but it's equally covered in full. A company can choose to pay their employees what they want as long as it's above minimum wage. It's ridiculous to say its a "cartel" because they are fixing wages. Lmao so does a lot of companies.

If the NCAA decides to just pay a fixed salary instead of what the scholarship covers, I'm pretty sure most kids would be in a worse situation. Especially with out of state costs. These kids aren't going to be paid 6 figures. It'll have to fixed or the parody will diminish as will the revenue from fans.

That's without thinking of other sport athletes. This won't cost the NCAA billions in the future. It won't exist and most of these guys will be a part of something no one gives a damn about anymore. No more "former glory" for the Jesse palmers of the world or the thousands that don't make it to the nfl. What's that worth? Apparently nothing.

 

[RikidyBones]

Where is that money going to come from? I, as a fan, have no interest in supporting a semi-pro farm league and know many people with the same attitude. Without fan appeal college athletics will fade in the future. When you add the concussion lawsuits I suspect that the colleges and universities may abandon athletics completely.

This. The move is so short sided with greedy tunnel vision. It's pathetic. Especially when a good portion of money can be given to the universities academic budgets.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

When this first started out, I harbored sentiment in favor of the players. After thinking about it, I've switched sides. Reason? As we have seen too often, when teens and recent teens get significant money into trouble they might not be in otherwise. Bieberized. Amanda Bynesicated. Culkined and worse.

Calling Da'Rick Rogers. Calling Da'Rick Rogers. Funny thing, seems he's cured of crazy so far.http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004789/?ref_=tt_ov_st

 

[vols4evah]

Anti-trust claim filed by Jeffrey Kessler challenges NCAA amateur model - ESPN

I said it was coming, the NCAA and the colleges are going to have to pay billions in the future and billions for their past behavior. The sooner they see what they are doing is both legally and morally wrong... the less money they will lose.

The NCAA has recently admitted to profiting and failed to protect the likeness of their college players in the EA lawsuit, which is going to cost both of them lots and lots of money down the road.

I have no idea why sports is given a free pass, it's a criminal enterprise at it's core...

Kessler told ESPN. "In no other business -- and college sports is big business -- would it ever be suggested that the people who are providing the essential services work for free. Only in big-time college sports is that line drawn."

It contends that NCAA member universities are acting as a cartel by fixing the prices paid to athletes, who presumably would receive offers well in excess of tuition, room, board and books if not restricted by NCAA rules.

It's price fixing which should be prosecute by the federal government and state AGs.

I disagree with you completely.