nortwestern football players looking to join a union

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This is where baseball gets it right. When the kid is 18, they have the chance to play semi pro ball and focus on their career. Those who are good enough but want to get an education go to college. Notice how no baseball players have stirred to pot on this issue.

However the NFL has a perfect thing going. They have the best farm system money can buy without having to buy it. They have a mandatory farm system that costs them zilch.

The colleges fear that if there were a NFL farm system, it would cost them dollars in TV revenue and ticket sales.

So what we are left with is a broken system where kids who have no desire/business being in college having to go to school for at least 3 yrs just to earn a crack at the NFL. This type of situation was bound to happen.
 
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nc vol fan said:
Those dam unions have never done anything except try to tear down republicans. all republicans should go to their bosses and employers immediately and tell them they do not want to participate in these items those evil democrat unions have helped create!!

Weekends
All Breaks at Work, including your Lunch Breaks
Paid Vacation
FMLASick Leave
Social Security
Minimum Wage
Civil Rights Act/Title VII (Prohibits Employer Discrimination)
8-Hour Work Day
Overtime Pay
Child Labor Laws
Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)
40 Hour Work Week
Worker's Compensation (Worker's Comp)
Unemployment Insurance
Pensions
Workplace Safety Standards and Regulations
Employer Health Care Insurance
Collective Bargaining Rights for Employees
Wrongful Termination Laws
Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967
Whistleblower Protection Laws
Employee Polygraph Protect Act (Prohibits Employer from using a lie detector test on an employee)
Veteran's Employment and Training Services (VETS)
Compensation increases and Evaluations (Raises)
Sexual Harassment Laws
Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA)
Holiday Pay
Employer Dental, Life, and Vision Insurance
Privacy Rights
Pregnancy and Parental Leave
Military Leave
Public Education for Children
Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 (Requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work)
Laws Ending Sweatshops in the United States
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You liberals are really amazing! Just about everything you listed above is federal law for all citizens. Yea those unions who battle the EVIL BUSINESS OWNERS. You know the ones who risk their money and provide jobs ... Evil those people are. Capitalism never worked anyway. Let's try what China and the Soviet Union used for decades. Oh wait, China has moved towards a capitalistic economy and the Soviet Union, you know what happened to them. Thanks for posting Mao or is that you Obama!
 
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GoVols15 said:
You liberals are really amazing! Just about everything you listed above is federal law for all citizens. Yea those unions who battle the EVIL BUSINESS OWNERS. You know the ones who risk their money and provide jobs ... Evil those people are. Capitalism never worked anyway. Let's try what China and the Soviet Union used for decades. Oh wait, China has moved towards a capitalistic economy and the Soviet Union, you know what happened to them. Thanks for posting Mao or is that you Obama!
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I can't wait until the country goes bankrupt because of all the ponzi schemes were starting. Socialism requires a mass base to pay for 100% of everything while everyone else gets paid way less.
 
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onevol74 said:
Exactly, it would be time to take away their free ride.
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Schools do not have to offer scholarships, some schools don't, some college divisions don't, some schools that offer scholarships don't for specific sports. The schools have free choice and the players should have free choice.

I for one don't have a problem with a school not offering scholarships, as long as they are not trying to collude with others to stop players from getting their market worth.

Either way all of this is going to eventually change and for good reason, what the schools are doing is in violation of laws already on the books. If you tried and setup a scam like this you would have the IRS, DOJ, AG, State Revenue, etc. knocking on your door very quickly.

To me all of this is fairly simple.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Schools do not have to offer scholarships, some schools don't, some college divisions don't, some schools that offer scholarships don't for specific sports. The schools have free choice and the players should have free choice.

I for one don't have a problem with a school not offering scholarships, as long as they are not trying to collude with others to stop players from getting their market worth.

Either way all of this is going to eventually change and for good reason, what the schools are doing is in violation of laws already on the books. If you tried and setup a scam like this you would have the IRS, DOJ, AG, State Revenue, etc. knocking on your door very quickly.

To me all of this is fairly simple.
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First of all, Can you unionize against a nonprofit?
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Schools do not have to offer scholarships, some schools don't, some college divisions don't, some schools that offer scholarships don't for specific sports. The schools have free choice and the players should have free choice.

I for one don't have a problem with a school not offering scholarships, as long as they are not trying to collude with others to stop players from getting their market worth.

Either way all of this is going to eventually change and for good reason, what the schools are doing is in violation of laws already on the books. If you tried and setup a scam like this you would have the IRS, DOJ, AG, State Revenue, etc. knocking on your door very quickly.

To me all of this is fairly simple.
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You don't think unions are collusion? It is the worst form of it.
 
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nc vol fan said:
Wether they go union or not doesn't really matter, and I think the scholly and all the benifits the players are getting now should be ALL the money the universities pay out for these student athletes, BUT!!! I also think if said student athlete gets offered money for an autograph or someone ,wether a booster or whoever gives them money or buys them a meal then that is between the athlete and the individual and is nobodies business. OR if the schools maybe instead of a flat across the board dollar amount for every athlete have some type of bonus program set up for certain achievements like wins plus a certain gpa, or maybe something like no bonus until your junior year and base it off of achievements and or grades from previous year...I don't know. . I do think there needs to be some kind of change but it needs to be fair so as to not seperate the fact that these players are still students too.
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I 100% agree with you.

If AJ Green wants to get $1000 for his bowl jersey, then he should have that right.

I like your GPA idea.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
I don't think anyone would deny that unions served a valid purpose... 80 years ago! Would you care to suggest anything of value they've provided in the last three decades?
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Kept things from going back to where they were 80 years ago.:hi:
 
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GoVols15 said:
You liberals are really amazing! Just about everything you listed above is federal law for all citizens. Yea those unions who battle the EVIL BUSINESS OWNERS. You know the ones who risk their money and provide jobs ... Evil those people are. Capitalism never worked anyway. Let's try what China and the Soviet Union used for decades. Oh wait, China has moved towards a capitalistic economy and the Soviet Union, you know what happened to them. Thanks for posting Mao or is that you Obama!
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These things are now law because of laws passed by democrats because of the work of unions. If you really think businesses fought to pass these benefits into law.....wow
 
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Northwestern University players' union attempt gets under way Wednesday - ESPN

A group of Northwestern football players will line up against their university on Wednesday morning in a National Labor Relations Board hearing that could lead to historic, landmark change for college sports.

The hearing, scheduled for Wednesday morning at the iconic Chicago Rookery Building, will mark the next step in a process that will determine whether the players are student-athletes, as Northwestern and the NCAA insist, or employee-athletes who can form a union and bargain for benefits. On Jan. 28, Ramogi Huma, president of the National College Players Association, filed a petition in Chicago on behalf of the players at the regional office of the NLRB.
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I for one think this is a BAD idea, but I hate all the other player's unions as well. I think paying players is one thing but forming a union to help college athlete dictate their pay is a bad decision. Hopefully it will not materialize...
 
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It has to happen. Just the way our world is heading unfortunately. Let's raise the minimum wage to $15/hour like some morons are suggesting and pay football players the min wage.
 
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volprof said:
Seriously. If forbidding us from getting to enjoy our hands being crushed in the mill with no workman's comp. or job security afterwards wasn't bad enough, then they all had to go and get us that stinking minimum wage. Bastards!
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Spoken like an academic with no real world experience.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Like Unions haven't ruined this country enough
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Modern college athletics will soon fall anyway.


(1) There are attempts to get pay for the players. If this happens, then the non revenue earning sports will want to get money from the revenue earning sports.
So, the womens volleyball team will want to have there athletes paid. But womens volleyball doesn't generate enough money to sustain itself. So, track & field, rowing, soccer, baseball, swimming, diving, golf will all want the Men's basketball program, womens basketball program & football program to pay their athletes.

Of course, those three "Cash Cow" teams won't logically be able to do that, So, the university will have to discontinue some of the sports, such as golf, volleyball etc.

So, now less kids will be able to get athletic scholarships to college because some of the non revenue earning programs will be eliminated. No golf or volleyball team means 30 fewer athletic scholarships available to give out.


(2) Once a union is established, they will see $$$$$ and will attempt to get every last cent they can from the universities.......

My question is this, once athletes are paid to play, will they have to pay union dues???

Will they get free medical care for life, for injuries they got during their college career?

Will they be able to play even though they are not making passing grades in college?

Will they still have to submit to drug testing?

Can they hire an agent once they are juniors?

Will they be eligible to go pro after their freshman season in football, baseball, etc.?
 
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CountVolcula said:
Like Unions haven't ruined this country enough
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Like many things that start out as a really good idea or purpose, they don't stay that way. As typical of humans, they twist and bend them into things and directions not originally intended. Until they become either as bad or the very thing they were meant to protect against. That includes unions.
 
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Rudy123 said:
Modern college athletics will soon fall anyway.


(1) There are attempts to get pay for the players. If this happens, then the non revenue earning sports will want to get money from the revenue earning sports.
So, the womens volleyball team will want to have there athletes paid. But womens volleyball doesn't generate enough money to sustain itself. So, track & field, rowing, soccer, baseball, swimming, diving, golf will all want the Men's basketball program, womens basketball program & football program to pay their athletes.

Of course, those three "Cash Cow" teams won't logically be able to do that, So, the university will have to discontinue some of the sports, such as golf, volleyball etc.

So, now less kids will be able to get athletic scholarships to college because some of the non revenue earning programs will be eliminated. No golf or volleyball team means 30 fewer athletic scholarships available to give out.


(2) Once a union is established, they will see $$$$$ and will attempt to get every last cent they can from the universities.......

My question is this, once athletes are paid to play, will they have to pay union dues???

Will they get free medical care for life, for injuries they got during their college career?

Will they be able to play even though they are not making passing grades in college?

Will they still have to submit to drug testing?

Can they hire an agent once they are juniors?

Will they be eligible to go pro after their freshman season in football, baseball, etc.?
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I think anybody with any sense and objectivity at all knows that unions are a cancer on anything they touch and if they don't, just load them up and take them to Detroit. It would be the biggest mistake in sports history to let unions in college football.
 
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volprof said:
Seriously. If forbidding us from getting to enjoy our hands being crushed in the mill with no workman's comp. or job security afterwards wasn't bad enough, then they all had to go and get us that stinking minimum wage. Bastards!
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Oh look- an ultra liberal prof - color me shocked. How is that union thing working out for Detroit?
 
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nc vol fan said:
Those dam unions have never done anything except try to tear down republicans. all republicans should go to their bosses and employers immediately and tell them they do not want to participate in these items those evil democrat unions have helped create!!

Weekends
All Breaks at Work, including your Lunch Breaks
Paid Vacation
FMLASick Leave
Social Security
Minimum Wage
Civil Rights Act/Title VII (Prohibits Employer Discrimination)
8-Hour Work Day
Overtime Pay
Child Labor Laws
Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)
40 Hour Work Week
Worker's Compensation (Worker's Comp)
Unemployment Insurance
Pensions
Workplace Safety Standards and Regulations
Employer Health Care Insurance
Collective Bargaining Rights for Employees
Wrongful Termination Laws
Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967
Whistleblower Protection Laws
Employee Polygraph Protect Act (Prohibits Employer from using a lie detector test on an employee)
Veteran's Employment and Training Services (VETS)
Compensation increases and Evaluations (Raises)
Sexual Harassment Laws
Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA)
Holiday Pay
Employer Dental, Life, and Vision Insurance
Privacy Rights
Pregnancy and Parental Leave
Military Leave
Public Education for Children
Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 (Requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work)
Laws Ending Sweatshops in the United States
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Yes, you are correct! In earlier times, the Unions were useful, but todays union is not the unions of the 70's that helped the workers.

Todays union is militaristic! They are greedy! They shoulder a LARGE part of the blame for the situation in Detriot and shoulder a large part of the blame for jobs moving out of this country.

The President sucked up to the unions, so he could get their votes and get the $$ from their cofers. Now, that he was re elected, he has turned his back on them.

If the unions were so great, then why has their membership gone from 3 million in the 1970's to only 382,000 currently?

See, when we didn't have OSHA. When we didn't have child labor laws. when we didn't have laws to enforce over time. When we didn't have maturnity leave. when we didn't have paid holidays. The union was useful.

However; the union has ALMOST out lived its usefulness.
We have enough current laws on the books to protect workers that we don't really need the union and their greedy leaders.

Only one reason exists that I know of that can justify the existance for a union. That reason is to prevent the company from wrongfully firing you without reason. the union is good at protecting your right against mean employers who desire to fire you for no reason.

Other than that, they are not the same union that helped workers in the 70's, they are greedy. Look at Detroit!!!!!!!! See the results.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
Oh look- an ultra liberal prof - color me shocked. How is that union thing working out for Detroit?
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No need to politically insult him for what he said. He is making mention of WHY unions came into existence to begin with. And that is due to gross exploitation and disdain for workers. Has nothing to do with being a liberal or other political bend. And before you throw that out there too, has naught to do with Obama or any other Prez.

The real problem with unions is the same as it is with exploitative businesses. They started out OK, as far as that goes, But as for unions they also began with an element of revenge. Due to the aforementioned. Then a bit of success went to their freaking heads and they go both greedy and assumed empire-like ambitions. In doing so, destroyed what they were established to protect. Namely job security and fair treatment in the workplace. It has less to do with unions per se than it has to do with humans history and tendency to mistreat each other under some pretext or another. That existed long before liberals, Obama, or even the Roman Empire.
 
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#147
Solution:

DON'T pay players. It creates a huge problem with cost of attendance, amateurism, and different employment statutes ("oh, you're an employee? Drop one more pass and you're fired, pal").

DO let players benefit from their names and likenesses. Let them have autograph signings and jersey sales. Set a price and let as many people who would like to pay it come.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
No need to politically insult him for what he said. He is making mention of WHY unions came into existence to begin with. And that is due to gross exploitation and disdain for workers. Has nothing to do with being a liberal or other political bend. And before you throw that out there too, has naught to do with Obama or any other Prez.

The real problem with unions is the same as it is with exploitative businesses. They started out OK, as far as that goes, But as for unions they also began with an element of revenge. Due to the aforementioned. Then a bit of success went to their freaking heads and they go both greedy and assumed empire-like ambitions. In doing so, destroyed what they were established to protect. Namely job security and fair treatment in the workplace. It has less to do with unions per se than it has to do with humans history and tendency to mistreat each other under some pretext or another. That existed long before liberals, Obama, or even the Roman Empire.
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It's more simple than that. It's about MONEY! Liberals like to give away money that belongs to other people in the name of social fairness. Conservatives like to earn and keep the money they earn and decide who, when of if they would like to give their money away. It all boils down to MONEY!
:hi:
 
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fade route said:
Spoken like an academic with no real world experience.
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Here's a list of debilitating / fatal workplace incidents my customers have had to deal with over the past year:

Man's head crushed under forklift (fatal)

Man pulled off barge and into Mississippi River (fatal)

Damper explodes while three contractors are working on it (two deaths, one covered in 3rd degree burns)

18yr old's hand crushed by crane

Two men crushed under steel tubing (fatal).

Man decapitated by large rotary hammer

...and I'm sure there are more I haven't been told about. This stuff happens all the time and never makes the news. Basically, it seems like he's got more "real world" sense than you if he's advocating workman's comp/disability/job security/safety compliance.
 
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