Not espn's fault that manning lost the heisman?

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#26
Regardless of what Fowler is saying now, ESPN put their entire network behind Woodson in a campaign for him that hasn't been seen since. Apparently someone in the network office thought wouldn't it be interesting to see a defensive back win it for the first time ever instead of a silver spoon in the mouth qb for the millionth time.
 
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droski said:
wuerfell won a national championship. heisman has nothing to do with stats. by that theory mike leach's qbs should have won multiple heismans.
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Stats are weighted by the system the player plays in. The production Manning achieved in a pro-style system with the competition he faced were amazing. And his pro-career validates what just about every Vol fan knew at the time.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Sometimes the Heisman is about stats, depending on who the candidates are.

Tebow won in '07 based on his stats.

Manning's career up to that point had been defined by losing to Florida. He could have thrown for 6,000 yards and 75 TDs in '97, but losing to Florida for the third straight year, with arguably a better team, is all the voters would remember.
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Didn't realize he was playing defense in all of those blowouts
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Bingo

hmanvolfan said:
Regardless of what Fowler is saying now, ESPN put their entire network behind Woodson in a campaign for him that hasn't been seen since. Apparently someone in the network office thought wouldn't it be interesting to see a defensive back win it for the first time ever instead of a silver spoon in the mouth qb for the millionth time.
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tvolsfan said:
"Flashiness" also won the national championship.
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After the heisman voting was over. Are you saying if Woodson didn't win a national championship the trophy shouldn't have gone to him?

If we are looking at what has happened to both players after the voting was finished, Manning's long-run career speaks for itself.

But since we aren't, we should be looking at the body of production before the bowls started.
 
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rjd970 said:
A good criteria when it is close...who would you rather have had on your team that season?

Personally, no homer, if it were a close race, the guy that had the ball in his hand every possession gets my vote.

It boiled down to flashiness vs. production. Flashiness won in this case.
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it boiled down to choking in key situations rather than rising to the top. of course peyton will win you more games, but who will take you to the top in the end?

San Diego Vol said:
Heisman is voted before the Nat'l Championship.
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yes and florida and michigan were on it's way and tenn was not.
 
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droski said:
wuerfell won a national championship. heisman has nothing to do with stats. by that theory mike leach's qbs should have won multiple heismans.
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Manning was leading all the polls going into the last few weeks of the season until ESPN cranked up the Woodson campaign, long after the Florida loss occurred.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
Regardless of what Fowler is saying now, ESPN put their entire network behind Woodson in a campaign for him that hasn't been seen since. Apparently someone in the network office thought wouldn't it be interesting to see a defensive back win it for the first time ever instead of a silver spoon in the mouth qb for the millionth time.
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that's just garbage. if peyton beats florida he wins the heisman. did wooden get publicity? sure. but are you really arguing the heisman voters soley listen to espn? you guys just can't look at this rationally.
 
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therealUT said:
If the Heisman were a career award, then Manning would have deserved it. It is a single season award, though; Woodson was not only a better player but a more spectacular player than Manning was throughout that season.
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The following 2 years it was a career award and not a single season award. Ricky Williams won it in 98 for breaking Dorsett's career rushing record and the Ron Dayne won it in 99 for breaking Williams' career record.

I don't recall a big outcry against Fowler personally until his "Tennessee Trailer Trash" comment on ESPN radio.
 
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droski said:
it boiled down to choking in key situations rather than rising to the top. of course peyton will win you more games, but who will take you to the top in the end?



yes and florida and michigan were on it's way and tenn was not.
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Wrong. If we beat Nebraska who split title, was possible we could have won it all if Michigan lost
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droski said:
that's just garbage. if peyton beats florida he wins the heisman. did wooden get publicity? sure. but are you really arguing the heisman voters soley listen to espn? you guys just can't look at this rationally.
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Dude, I watched all of this unfold with my very eyes. That ain't second hand information.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
Manning was leading all the polls going into the last few weeks of the season until ESPN cranked up the Woodson campaign, long after the Florida loss occurred.
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yes and carson palmer wasn't considered a valid heisman candidate before the ND game. things change.
 
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droski said:
that's just garbage. if peyton beats florida he wins the heisman. did wooden get publicity? sure. but are you really arguing the heisman voters soley listen to espn? you guys just can't look at this rationally.
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there wasn't much of a choice for national sports news at the time. ESPN was able to drive what they wanted, especially in CFB
 
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San Diego Vol said:
Didn't realize he was playing defense in all of those blowouts
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He wasn't, but our defense made him look like something less than a Heisman Trophy winner.

Let's face it, the expectations of Manning to perform and succeed were enormous. He had the misfortune of being defined by his performance against one of college football's best programs at the time....in his own division no less....for three straight years.
 
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San Diego Vol said:
Wrong. If we beat Nebraska who split title, was possible we could have won it all if Michigan lost
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and in heisman history what guy won because it was theoretically possible he might win the national championship?

hmanvolfan said:
Dude, I watched all of this unfold with my very eyes. That ain't second hand information.
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you watched what unfold? coverage of a spectacular player doing spectacular things? would you expect espn to not cover that? there is no conspiracy. you guys had your head so far up peytons arse he could have thrown for 20 INTs and you'd still be pissed.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
He wasn't, but our defense made him look like something less than a Heisman Trophy winner.

Let's face it, the expectations of Manning to perform and succeed were enormous. He had the misfortune of being defined by his performance against one of college football's best programs at the time....in his own division no less....for three straight years.
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Thank you. While I hate to admit it, that's the absolute truth.
 
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I'll go to my grave believing Manning was robbed. But thrn again, I was a huge Manning fan when I was little, so overlook, my bias.
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droski said:
that's just garbage. if peyton beats florida he wins the heisman. did wooden get publicity? sure. but are you really arguing the heisman voters soley listen to espn? you guys just can't look at this rationally.
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Disagree.

I am arguing that heisman voters look at highlights, of which Woodson had some very flashy plays. What is more fun to watch, Woodson making a diving one handed catch, or Manning throwing for 400 years and 4 Td's? Woodson, of course. But Manning is the guy that has more to do with actually winning games.

If anything, what cost Manning the heisman was Chavis and his inability to stop Florida. Which, IMO, is still an excuse with little weight.
 
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droski said:
and espn wanted wooden to win the heisman because. . .?
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hmanvolfan said:
Regardless of what Fowler is saying now, ESPN put their entire network behind Woodson in a campaign for him that hasn't been seen since. Apparently someone in the network office thought wouldn't it be interesting to see a defensive back win it for the first time ever instead of a silver spoon in the mouth qb for the millionth time.
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Reading is fundamental.
 
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droski said:
that's just garbage. if peyton beats florida he wins the heisman. did wooden get publicity? sure. but are you really arguing the heisman voters soley listen to espn? you guys just can't look at this rationally.
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And you're saying ESPN didn't push Woodson at all ? ESPN and its parent compnay ABC were essentially the Big 10 Network in those days and touting Woodson as an alternative to Manning was a way to bring in viewers who otherwise wouldn't have watched Michigan.
 
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droski said:
you watched what unfold? coverage of a spectacular player doing spectacular things? would you expect espn to not cover that? there is no conspiracy. you guys had your head so far up peytons arse he could have thrown for 20 INTs and you'd still be pissed.
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You stated Manning lost the hypesman because he lost to Florida but Woodson won it because of one game at the end of the season. You can't have it both ways.
 
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rjd970 said:
Disagree.

I am arguing that heisman voters look at highlights, of which Woodson had some very flashy plays. What is more fun to watch, Woodson making a diving one handed catch, or Manning throwing for 400 years and 4 Td's? Woodson, of course. But Manning is the guy that has more to do with actually winning games.

If anything, what cost Manning the heisman was Chavis and his inability to stop Florida. Which, IMO, is still an excuse with little weight.
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i don't disagree, but i still think he wins if he beats florida. but i'm not sure why woodsen having more highlight plays is ESPNs fault.

dobre_shunka said:
And you're saying ESPN didn't push Woodson at all ? ESPN and its parent compnay ABC were essentially the Big 10 Network in those days and touting Woodson as an alternative to Manning was a way to bring in viewers who otherwise wouldn't have watched Michigan.
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define push. yes they showed their product. did they campaign for woodsen and against manning? of course not.
 
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