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rwemyss

rwemyss

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All you fairweathers that have showed up just because the season has been a disappointment can go somewhere else. This is a Vol FAN board, not a fire Fulmer board. The team this year is very disappointing and changes need to be made to fix it, but if the only answers you have are to fire the HC that has turned this program from mediocre to national contender every year... then go home and cry to someone else. FANS belong here.

The next 10 post "FAN" that tells me that I don't know what I'm talking about and calls me "dude" is going to make me blow my stack. Our intelligent football conversation should only be interrupted by the crazies from our OPPONENTS, not the guys that only show up to say how bad Fulmer has screwed the pooch. We KNOW the offense is offensive, we also know that this team hasn't made the breaks like they did last year... but to go nuclear and call for a firing of the HC? Give me a break.
 
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When PF goes, so does UT football for many years! Firing of PF is the LAST thing you should want. The pastures are not any greener...
 
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It IS just a game. As fans we have to learn to mourn the losses as well as we celebrate the victories. Nobody on this board or ANY board feels any worse than the team, CPF included. CPF now has to endure more years of being called Spurrier's boy and no telling what else.

But it's STILL just a game.
 
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I don't want PF gone, but I do think that we need to make some coaching changes within the system to maybe shake some things up, and get everybody revitalized. Just like hiring Trooper last year seemed to get our stagnant running game back to life.
 
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I think offensive changes need to be made too, but all this talk about how the sky is falling is killing me.
 
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Originally posted by rwemyss@Oct 29, 2005 11:54 PM
All you fairweathers that have showed up just because the season has been a disappointment can go somewhere else.  This is a Vol FAN board, not a fire Fulmer board.  The team this year is very disappointing and changes need to be made to fix it, but if the only answers you have are to fire the HC that has turned this program from mediocre to national contender every year... then go home and cry to someone else.  FANS belong here.

The next 10 post "FAN" that tells me that I don't know what I'm talking about and calls me "dude" is going to make me blow my stack.  Our intelligent football conversation should only be interrupted by the crazies from our OPPONENTS, not the guys that only show up to say how bad Fulmer has screwed the pooch.  We KNOW the offense is offensive, we also know that this team hasn't made the breaks like they did last year... but to go nuclear and call for a firing of the HC?  Give me a break.
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Sorry i'm not yet at 10 posts. I understand your anger, but taking it out on fellow UT fans doesn't make sense. The fact that they are Vol fans on this sad day makes them the opposite of fair weather fans. I disagree with the folks calling for Fulmer's head. BUT, Sander is another issue. If Randy Sanders is not fired at the end of the season, why on earth would anyone fire a OC?

Saying the offesne is offensive doesn't begin to describe what our offense has become. To hear ESPN2 broadcasters describe the punt as our best play is embarrasing. The University of Tennessee is one of the premire programs in college football. If a 3-4 record can't be tolerated in South Bent or Ann Arbour why show surprise at the anger here?

Vol fans need to stick together not get angry because a fellow fan only has 10 posts. I don't believe the number of posts equates to a TN fan's devotion. My grandfather loved TN football like no other but I haven't seen make posts here. What we should do is support the University of Tennessee and its football team. Supporting its staff is another thing, we are Volunteer fans, not Fulmer fans.
 
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Originally posted by rwemyss@Oct 30, 2005 12:01 AM
I think offensive changes need to be made too, but all this talk about how the sky is falling is killing me.
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I agree with you. I don't think the sky is falling either, but most fans tonight are just upset at the offense's year-long stink fest. Plus when was the last time you can remember UT losing 3 straight games. (88 maybe). But if we lose next week the calls for Fulmers head will only get worse. Espically if we end up 6-5 or worse. Can you imagine all the ranting on here if we finsih 3-8.
 
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No offense, but our program has been trending downward since the late 90's, with last year being the abberation. I'm not calling for Fulmer's head, but he needs to make the necessary changes to get this thing headed back in the right direction. Immediately 'cause we're broken bad.

We are now likely going to finish 6-5 and 4th in the SEC East. I'm a prideful Tennessee fan, have always been and will always be, and for me, when that happens the sky is falling.
 
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Fulmer has ALWAYs been week at mental preperation, and its been consistently complained about over the years, not just in losses. Many times it's been the main subject following wins.

He/ his coaching team is good at recruiting and athletic preperation, but unless we have leadership on the field, we don't get it from the sidelines.

The perfect examples are the '98 and '99 seasons, and the huge contrast between the way the teams played, despite superior experience in the latter involving many of the same kids. Coaches with adequate mental prep skills don't allow an entire team to mail it in while they plan for the NFL.

I haven't liked Fulmer's lack of character from his stab-a-friend-in-the-back beginning, but I was willing to stick with him and hope that he would find the mental component his coaching team lacked. I'd hoped that Trooper Taylor might be able to supply it, but apparently he's either too low down the ladder or not as good as he seemed... yet.

We have a right to expect psychological leadership from the sidelines, and we've yet to get it under Fulmer. Instead, we've had wonderfully recruited and developed teams that are mentally inconsistent unless one of the kids supplies the leadership, and therefore we consistently perform erratically from game to game with no way to predict which team will show up. That's the biggest reason why fans are so high on Chavis- it's a rare night when his teams don't show up.
 
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Originally posted by rwemyss@Oct 29, 2005 11:01 PM
I think offensive changes need to be made too, but all this talk about how the sky is falling is killing me.
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I think you have to be realistic about the trend the program is going and the fact that CPF has not made the necessary changes in his staff that is very obvious to even a loyalist like you. (And he will never).
If you don't want to read criticism from the boarders on VolNation I suggest you go to GOVOLS.com where everyone holds hands with Griff and sings praises to CPF & Co.
 
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I'm just glad our defense has played great this year, because if they're just mediocre, we clould be sitting here tonight talking about UT being 2-5, 1-6, or 0-7.

I mean UAB could have very well knocked us off in the opener if our defense didn't make one last stand. They also made big int's to put TD's on the board at LSU and against Ole' Miss. Without that we could very realistically be 0-7.
 
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One of the things that has botherd me, is the lack of discipline. Discipline is not a very easy thing to teach young players. But its the most important thing of all. Talent is God given, South Carolina trails Tennessee in talent ( as do most teams in the SEC). Discipline is another story. We aren't just getting outplayed. We are destroying ourselves through mistakes. And mistakes are only prevented through discipline.

Whatever happens in the offseason, before we do anything we need to remind the players the origin of their nickname Volunteer. They are playing for the glory of the State of Tennessee, Its citizens and most importantly for the memory of the thousands of Tennesseans who have gave their all.
 
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Originally posted by USMCvol@Oct 30, 2005 12:22 AM
One of the things that has botherd me, is the lack of discipline.  Discipline is not a very easy thing to teach young players. Talent is God given, South Carolina trails Tennessee in talent ( as do most teams in the SEC).  Discipline is another story. We aren't just getting outplayed.  We are destroying ourselves.

Whatever happens in the offseason, before we do anything we need to remind the players the origin of their nickname Volunteer.  They are playing for the glory of the State of Tennessee, Its citizens and most importantly  for the memory of the thousands of Tennesseans  who have gave their all.
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Well said.
 
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Originally posted by USMCvol@Oct 30, 2005 12:22 AM
One of the things that has botherd me, is the lack of discipline.  Discipline is not a very easy thing to teach young players. Talent is God given, South Carolina trails Tennessee in talent ( as do most teams in the SEC).  Discipline is another story. We aren't just getting outplayed.  We are destroying ourselves.

Whatever happens in the offseason, before we do anything we need to remind the players the origin of their nickname Volunteer.  They are playing for the glory of the State of Tennessee, Its citizens and most importantly  for the memory of the thousands of Tennesseans  who have gave their all.
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True. If we had a team full of Jason Allen's, Jesse Mahelona's discipline would not be a problem. You get all these young kids form small towns and are suddenly cast into the big time spotlight, they tend to think they are above everyone else and start to play for themselves and not for the teams sake.
 
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Originally posted by utvols82@Oct 30, 2005 1:09 AM
I agree with you. I don't think the sky is falling either, but most fans tonight are just upset at the offense's year-long stink fest. Plus when was the last time you can remember UT losing 3 straight games. (88 maybe). But if we lose next week the calls for Fulmers head will only get worse. Espically if we end up 6-5 or worse. Can you imagine all the ranting on here if we finsih 3-8.
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Nope, I sure can't remember losing three in a row. I was born in '82 after all. Which makes it all the more disturbing that anyone who remembers being perrenially mediocre at best would fall off the boat so easily.

and Vol 4 Life... if last year was the abberation of this "decline since '98..." what does that make '01 when we were set to head to the Rose Bowl and took it on the nose from a good LSU team? (we also ANNIHILATED Michigan in the bowl game that year folks)
 
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Originally posted by USMCvol@Oct 30, 2005 1:22 AM
One of the things that has botherd me, is the lack of discipline.  Discipline is not a very easy thing to teach young players. But its the most important thing of all. Talent is God given, South Carolina trails Tennessee in talent ( as do most teams in the SEC).  Discipline is another story. We aren't just getting outplayed.  We are destroying ourselves through mistakes. And mistakes are only prevented through discipline.

Whatever happens in the offseason, before we do anything we need to remind the players the origin of their nickname Volunteer.  They are playing for the glory of the State of Tennessee, Its citizens and most importantly  for the memory of the thousands of Tennesseans  who have gave their all.
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VERY well said USMC. I agree completely. From what I've heard out of Robert Meachem, most of the kids on the O don't get along either... which is a huge problem. I'd love to hear suggestions on what the HC can do to fix this problem other than a gut check, al la losses that no one wants to deal with.
 
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Originally posted by rwemyss@Oct 30, 2005 12:27 AM
Nope, I sure can't remember losing three in a row.  I was born in '82 after all.  Which makes it all the more disturbing that anyone who remembers being perrenially mediocre at best would fall off the boat so easily.

and Vol 4 Life... if last year was the abberation of this "decline since '98..." what does that make '01 when we were set to head to the Rose Bowl and took it on the nose from a good LSU team?  (we also ANNIHILATED Michigan in the bowl game that year folks)
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I was born in '82 as well, Nov. 19 to be exact.
 
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I've got you by just over a month. Oct. 7th. Early happy birthday then.

I wonder what would have happened had Auburn fired TT two years ago after they did the exact same thing these Vols have been doing... he DID go get a new OC though... maybe Phil can find another Borges. Deja Vu.
 
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Originally posted by rwemyss@Oct 30, 2005 12:36 AM
I've got you by just over a month.  Oct. 7th.  Early happy birthday then.

I wonder what would have happened had Auburn fired TT two years ago after they did the exact same thing these Vols have been doing... he DID go get a new OC though... maybe Phil can find another Borges.  Deja Vu.
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Maybe we can steal Borges away from Auburn. Or better yet, Fulmer could hire me as the OC. We share the same first name (Phil) and were born in the same town and hosptial (Winchester, Southern Tennessee Medical Center). Think about it!!!
 
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OR Phil could put out a casting call to the VolNation! There have got to be at least 30 Offensive Coordinators in here... hell, while they're at it maybe Mike should put out an APB on the VN board for a HC!!! There have GOT to be about 15 people here that know better than our current head coach. :rolleyes:
 
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Originally posted by rwemyss@Oct 30, 2005 2:03 AM
OR Phil could put out a casting call to the VolNation!  There have got to be at least 30 Offensive Coordinators in here... hell, while they're at it maybe Mike should put out an APB on the VN board for a HC!!!  There have GOT to be about 15 people here that know better than our current head coach. :rolleyes:
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Come on now, I couldn't be an OC! However, I would like a shot at QB!! :D
 
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Unfortunately, it doesn't take an OC to see that UT has underachieved.

I might not be able make chicken and dumplins, but I can darn sure tell you if they are good are not.
 
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Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 30, 2005 2:07 AM
Unfortunately, it doesn't take an OC to see that UT has underachieved. 

I might not be able make chicken and dumplins, but I can darn sure tell you if they are good are not.
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LOL :lol: Best line of the night Lex! I still don't dispute that this team has underachieved on offense. With our D, the Vols should be undefeated, laughing at Texas and VT being on the outside looking in... but the chips haven't fallen in our favor.

Alabama had a pretty decent defense last year too... I forget what their record was though.
 
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Originally posted by rwemyss@Oct 30, 2005 12:27 AM

and Vol 4 Life... if last year was the abberation of this "decline since '98..." what does that make '01 when we were set to head to the Rose Bowl and took it on the nose from a good LSU team?  (we also ANNIHILATED Michigan in the bowl game that year folks)
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2001 was a good year, closer to the late 90s than 2005, thus proving my point that we have generally been on a decline over that period of time. I suppose 2001 was an abberation of sorts too, but at that point we weren't as far removed from championship football. The Michigan win that year was excellent, as was the win at Florida (I was there :biggrin2: ). Those glorious days are getting further away each week of fall 2005.

I appreciate your views that the sky is not falling... but I am just poisoned by negativity after watching our performances this year.
 
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