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#26
#26
Originally posted by Vol 4 Life@Oct 30, 2005 2:13 AM
2001 was a good year, closer to the late 90s than 2005, thus proving my point that we have generally been on a decline over that period of time.  I suppose 2001 was an abberation of sorts too, but at that point we weren't as far removed from championship football.  The Michigan win that year was excellent, as was the win at Florida (I was there  :biggrin2: ).  Those glorious days are getting further away each week of fall 2005.

I appreciate your views that the sky is not falling...  but I am just poisoned by negativity after watching our performances this year.
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The poison of the horrid offense we have has hit lots of people on here.
 
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Being critcal of this underperforming team does not make us bad fans. If you don't see Clausens contagiously crap attitude and obviously poor coaching then you are living a lie or don't understand football. I have had to listen to my fellow SEC fans that follow and love their respective teams tell me that we are cycling down for the last few years and it pains me to say that they are correct. Every year for the past five I've lived the illusion that due to our incredible recuitibg classes that they were wrong, but the reality is that they were not. Try living in Chattanooga and have to hear it from UA,UG,UF USC, and probably Vandy. The players are there...the coaching is NOT. Nobody wants RS and nothing is on the horizon to correct it, unless Hamilton has more balls than I suspect, Hell, for that matter I don't think we coujd give PF away to any other D1 team. So, let Clausen sit on the sidelines and make faces every time Ainge makes an incomplete pass, keep recruiting players from across the country that are'nt sitting here about to puke while watching this team get their asses kicked by every border states school and hope that next years top-tier recruiting class can do better with the coaches that NOBODY else wants......and NEVER question the loyalty of 39 year fans that can see what you obviously don't.
 
#28
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Originally posted by volbreaker@Oct 30, 2005 12:17 AM
Being critcal of this underperforming team does not make us bad fans. If you don't see Clausens contagiously crap attitude and obviously poor coaching then you are living a lie or don't understand football. I have had to listen to my fellow SEC fans that follow and love their respective teams tell me that we are cycling down for the last few years and it pains me to say that they are correct. Every year for the past five I've lived the illusion that due to our incredible recuitibg classes that they were wrong, but the reality is that they were not. Try living in Chattanooga and have to hear it from UA,UG,UF USC, and probably Vandy. The players are there...the coaching is NOT. Nobody wants RS and nothing is on the horizon to correct it, unless Hamilton has more balls than I suspect, Hell, for that matter I don't think we coujd give PF away to any other D1 team. So, let Clausen sit on the sidelines and make faces every time Ainge makes an incomplete pass, keep recruiting players from across the country that are'nt sitting here about to puke while watching this team get their asses kicked by every border states school and hope that next years top-tier recruiting class can do better with the coaches that NOBODY else wants......and NEVER question the loyalty of 39 year fans that can see what you obviously don't.
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Amen. I graduated in 1972 from UT. I have been through Dickey, Battle, Majors, and now Fulmer. The situation reminds me of Battle's last years, drifting in decline eventually losing to Vanderbilt. We are not disloyal fans but realists!!
 
#29
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Originally posted by volbreaker@Oct 30, 2005 2:17 AM
Being critcal of this underperforming team does not make us bad fans. If you don't see Clausens contagiously crap attitude and obviously poor coaching then you are living a lie or don't understand football. ... Nobody wants RS and nothing is on the horizon to correct it, unless Hamilton has more balls than I suspect, Hell, for that matter I don't think we coujd give PF away to any other D1 team. So, let Clausen sit on the sidelines and make faces every time Ainge makes an incomplete pass, keep recruiting players from across the country that are'nt sitting here about to puke while watching this team get their asses kicked by every border states school and hope that next years top-tier recruiting class can do better with the coaches that NOBODY else wants......and NEVER question the loyalty of 39 year fans that can see what you obviously don't.
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I'm not on you for being critical of this team. If you notice, I'm just as critical of the TEAM. That doesn't change the fact that play on the field and hard working players is 99% of it.

Talking about Clausen having a bad attitude cracks me up... it was just a few weeks ago we were talking about how great he was and how stand up he was.

If you have been a Vol fan for 39 years then you surely remember the 70s and don't want to go back there. Fulmer brought this team to this level and there's no reason he can't keep it there.
 
#30
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Newbie to the board, but my parents went to UT and so did I. I grew up in Memphis listening to John Ward since I can remember. Heck, I was born on a Tennessee-Alabama game day. Although I live in Atlanta now, I have lived and breathed UT football since inception. So, for all you pompous posters that think the only intelligent "conversation" on this board can come from the "veterans".... :moon2: Silliness aside, intelligent conversation comes from intelligent speaking and LISTENENING! Fulmer's resting on his laurels and friendships on this coaching staff instead of realizing (3 years ago) that the college football world is 99% business and loyalty is appreciated, but not always necessary. Time to change the offensive and player development philosophies.
 
#31
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:gun: Well, first of all the sky is not falling. But, what does that have to do with football???? This is not "I hate Fulmer" chant, but this is not acceptable. This game is a business and a big one at that. The UT program has became an elite one in the country and that has lead to good recruting as much as anything. TO have a pre-season top 5 team at 3-4(ytd) show very poor coaching. If you dont believe me, just look across the field and check ou South Carolina. A 14point underdog on the road, out-coached and out-played a far superiorly talented team at home. Fulmer needs to be fired because, he has had the best recruting classes over the last couple of year and can not develope the nations best players. Lord, if Spurrier had our talant at USC , caddie bar the door on the rest of the SEC. :mf_surrender:
 
#32
#32
All you fairweathers that have showed up just because the season has been a disappointment can go somewhere else.  This is a Vol FAN board, not a fire Fulmer board.
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Firstly, we have a right to post here just as much as you do, so don't give me that L33T poster crap.

Secondly, I am a Vol fan. Have been since I was old enough to watch football. If I were a fairweather fan, I would go root for USC or some other team that is a lot more fun to watch.

The team this year is very disappointing and changes need to be made to fix it, but if the only answers you have are to fire the HC that has turned this program from mediocre to national contender every year... then go home and cry to someone else.  FANS belong here.
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Okay, you are making it sound like Fulmer inherited an average program. Majors did need to go, he was past his prime and out of touch, but Tennessee was very talented when Fulmer took over. And to say that we are national contenders every year, well put away the crack pipe and look at our final rankings for every year since 98. Being in the top 15 does not make one a national contender.

When you own this message board, then you can tell people what they can and can't say. And if your definition of FAN is to stick your head in the sand and pretend everything is ok, then I am not a fan. But my definition of fan is someone who wants to see their team when. I still support UT, but just because I do not support this coaching staff, does not make me a fairweather fan. You need to learn to make that distinction.

The next 10 post "FAN" that tells me that I don't know what I'm talking about and calls me "dude" is going to make me blow my stack.  Our intelligent football conversation should only be interrupted by the crazies from our OPPONENTS, not the guys that only show up to say how bad Fulmer has screwed the pooch.
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Free speech pal, don't you just hate it?
 
#33
#33
Beautifully done JCajun. I am tired of people telling me to read this, or don't say that.

Randy Sanders supporters are the people calling names because they are out of logical arguments.
 
#34
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Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 30, 2005 9:06 AM
Beautifully done JCajun.  I am tired of people telling me to read this, or don't say that.

Randy Sanders supporters are the people calling names because they are out of logical arguments.
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Yeah, it is the equivalent of Johnny Cochran playing the race card because he could not defend against the facts. Randy Sanders fans are playing the fairweather fan card because the facts are against them.
 
#35
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It really gets absurd when people begin to question our talent.

That gets absurd as well.

We were certainly more talented than SC, and again what happened? Outcoached for the seventh time this year.
 
#36
#36
Originally posted by rwemyss@Oct 30, 2005 1:29 AM
Fulmer brought this team to this level and there's no reason he can't keep it there.
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PF inherited a top 15 program and he has, for the most part, maintained it. For a few years in the mid 90s he was able to elevate it to a top 5 team, but since 99 it has returned to the same level it was at the last few years of the JM era. Now it seems like we are reverting to the JM teams of the 80s that were good one year and awful the next with pretty much the same players. All this is not to say he should be fired, at least not at this point, but he dosen't deserve credit for building the UT program.
 
#37
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Originally posted by rwemyss@Oct 29, 2005 11:54 PM
All you fairweathers that have showed up just because the season has been a disappointment can go somewhere else.  This is a Vol FAN board, not a fire Fulmer board.  The team this year is very disappointing and changes need to be made to fix it, but if the only answers you have are to fire the HC that has turned this program from mediocre to national contender every year... then go home and cry to someone else.  FANS belong here.

The next 10 post "FAN" that tells me that I don't know what I'm talking about and calls me "dude" is going to make me blow my stack.  Our intelligent football conversation should only be interrupted by the crazies from our OPPONENTS, not the guys that only show up to say how bad Fulmer has screwed the pooch.  We KNOW the offense is offensive, we also know that this team hasn't made the breaks like they did last year... but to go nuclear and call for a firing of the HC?  Give me a break.
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yes this is a vol fan site. BUT being a vol fan also gives us the right to criticize. and whether u want to belive it or not. a change somewhere needs to happen. and happen soon.

and im not some 10 post punk. so dont start saying i dont know what im talking about.

coaching is so important in football. u have to gameplan. motivate. have the players in shape. strategize. it is pretty much like war when u look at it. and fulmer may recruit well, but he is far from a field gerneral. more like a private.
 
#38
#38
I think that firing PF - IF he doesn't can RS - is the only logical solution.

Here's the deal. I'm a teacher. If I don't do the work to get most of my [mainly average] students through proficiency testing, it's my butt. I can't afford to be their friend, I can't afford to use sub-standard resources, and I must instill enough discipline to keep them on track. If I don't succeed to at least a nominal level, I pay a price, and my school gets a bad name.

Can you see the parallels here?

Since when is this a matter of wanting to tar and feather Phil for a dropped pass? This has been going on for YEARS.
 
#39
#39
So Steve and Jason, as such huge Vol fans you just now have seeked out a good Vol Fan board because??? Don't say it's anything other than to complain about how horrible a coach Fulmer is, that's what you came here to do.

I'll repeat this... when your sports car starts driving funny, do you just start throwing random parts at it hoping that one of them was the problem, and it will be fixed? No. You have to diagnose the problem and determine which part is broken. I don't think CPF is the problem as he was the Head Coach BEFORE this falloff you all want to talk about post '98. I say the Offensive staff is the problem, as there is evidence to that effect. Fix the offense, the car is running well again.
 
#40
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Originally posted by rwemyss@Oct 30, 2005 6:20 PM
So Steve and Jason, as such huge Vol fans you just now have seeked out a good Vol Fan board because???  Don't say it's anything other than to complain about how horrible a coach Fulmer is, that's what you came here to do.

I'll repeat this... when your sports car starts driving funny, do you just start throwing random parts at it hoping that one of them was the problem, and it will be fixed?  No.  You have to diagnose the problem and determine which part is broken.  I don't think CPF is the problem as he was the Head Coach BEFORE this falloff you all want to talk about post '98.  I say the Offensive staff is the problem, as there is evidence to that effect.  Fix the offense, the car is running well again.
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Hopefully this will help you understand the general frustration of people calling for CPFs head. CPF is a good head man, these same people have been where you are (Sanders should probably be gone) since 2002. So you and I may be willing to give CPF wiggle room where reason dictates, they gave up on that a long time ago. They have seen the decline and wondered why the change of OC has not already happened. It is really not a knee jerk to them.
 
#41
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But over the past few years there has been minor evidence that RS could get the job done. '01 and '04 should have made you go "maybe this guy can coach..." I'm sure that's where CPF has been over this time. The point is, we keep games close, and let the game hang on 2-3 plays, sometimes you get what you got last year, other times you get this year.

I understand saying it should have never been to that point, with the quality of Defense here, etc. we should be able to blow out many of the opponents we have perennially been squeaking by. It comes down to, I don't want to have to sit and watch 3-4 years of bad football beacuse we went crazy and fired our head coach. I think if we fire the real problems in the offensive staff, then we'll be contending again as soon as next season. I honestly believe that.
 
#42
#42
I think we are a QB coach and an OC away from being pretty darn good. Ainge's mechanics are bad, and his timing is way off. He has still shown flashes of brilliance....even if it was last year.
 
#43
#43
Don't forget a reciever's coach. I don't think I've seen so many dropped passes in all my life.
 
#44
#44
Originally posted by rwemyss@Oct 30, 2005 6:20 PM
So Steve and Jason, as such huge Vol fans you just now have seeked out a good Vol Fan board because???  Don't say it's anything other than to complain about how horrible a coach Fulmer is, that's what you came here to do.

I'll repeat this... when your sports car starts driving funny, do you just start throwing random parts at it hoping that one of them was the problem, and it will be fixed?  No.  You have to diagnose the problem and determine which part is broken.  I don't think CPF is the problem as he was the Head Coach BEFORE this falloff you all want to talk about post '98.  I say the Offensive staff is the problem, as there is evidence to that effect.  Fix the offense, the car is running well again.
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I have lost confidence in Fulmer to make the changes necessary to get this thing righted. I have not been impressed with Sanders since they upgraded him to OC when Cutcliffe left. Sanders is not the only problem. Pat Washington, Jimmy Ray Stephens, and maybe even Trooper Taylor need to go as well. My problem with Fulmer is this, why wait until it gets so horrible as it has this year before deciding to do something about it? Why waste what should have been a very good year? I firmly believe Fulmer has lost his edge, his competitiveness, and he has become complacent.

Remember when the defense was sucking it up in the mid 90's under Larry Marmie? Then Fulmer did something about it and promoted Chavis. A couple of years later we win the NC with an incredible defense. Fulmer has changed since then. He no longer has that desire to win any more, just a desire to keep his job.
 
#45
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Originally posted by rwemyss@Oct 30, 2005 6:30 PM
I think if we fire the real problems in the offensive staff, then we'll be contending again as soon as next season.  I honestly believe that.
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Do you see Fulmer hiring an outsider to be OC and letting him do his job, or hiring/promoting a crony only to see the same old stale offense?

Think about it, would Fulmer hire someone he would feel threatened by?
 
#46
#46
Jason, if that is the angle you take to it, I certainly respect that. I don't agree with your assesment, but the ones I get angry about are the knee jerk "This team sucks! Fire the HC!" without having any reasoning behind it.

Welcome to the VN btw, I was mourning when you first registered.

Yes. He has no choice.
 
#47
#47
Originally posted by rwemyss@Oct 30, 2005 7:00 PM
Jason, if that is the angle you take to it, I certainly respect that.  I don't agree with your assesment, but the ones I get angry about are the knee jerk "This team sucks!  Fire the HC!" without having any reasoning behind it.

Welcome to the VN btw, I was mourning when you first registered.

Yes.  He has no choice.
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Thanks Rewmyss. Truth is, I hope enough pressure is put on Fulmer so that it will light a fire under him and he will not let this happen again. I feel like if noone complained, 6-5 would be ok to him every year as long as his job was safe.

I think Fulmer can get it done. I really do. I just think he has let personal loyalties, politics, etc. get in the way of making decisions he should have made a couple of years ago. I just hope he learns his lesson and becomes more proactive in the future. Demand excellence, that is all I ask for.
 
#48
#48
A wakeup call this surely must be. Having never lost to USC, and then suddenly doing so in a season with 3 other losses... I can only imagine. I would certainly have the "deer in headlights" look for a day or two, and start to do some soul-searching and re-evaluating.

If CPF isn't doing this? I give him too much credit as a HC.
 
#49
#49
I certainly hope he is. The best thing for UT football is for PF to do some soul searching, take the hard steps to fix it, and never let this happen again. Let's hope he gets his competitive fire back.
 
#50
#50
Losing to all your decent rivals and then a team that you have beaten down every time you've played them... dear Lord. If I were him, my world would be turned upside down, and I would be doing everything I can to right it.
 
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