Now It Really Begins

#51
#51
TVOL71 said:
Don't get real excited about next year either. While it looks like a good recruiting class, they are going to be very young, many freshmen, and they make mistakes.
And next year, we replace Auburn with Ole Miss, possibility a little better, but still very difficult (it would be a nice time to get Arkansas), and Oregon with Oklahoma (again still difficult). I see 2015 as the year they start to move up.
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Ole Miss and Oklahoma sounds better than Auburn and Oregon.
 
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#52
#52
What now begins is Butch getting a win at UK. Then landing a top 5 class . Then giving us hope with a solid season next year.
 
#53
#53
Now that this season is officially over for us its time for Butch to show everyone he deserves to earn his pay check and put a decent team on the field. Its time to forget this year and move on. We all know that the 3 blow out loses are not acceptable for Tennessee, breaking the wrong records not good either and losing to Vandy is not going to get it done here. I think he's well aware of that. If we go through his past results, though, I think he's a winner and I think he will coach up his players and get us competitive next year (7-5 is what I'm predicting). He made a mistake in not bring some of the freshman along quicker though and getting them game experience. What I don't know is if it was because they weren't physically ready, didn't know the system/playbook or he just wanted to redshirt them for a few years down the track. Think he's taken the long term view to keep the good players so they can learn the system fully and then be deployed after they've had a year in the weight room.

I've been reading some of the Tweets from the EEs and other recruits and they are "All Butch" and ready to give their all. A lot of them are saying this won't happen to us. That tells me they have bought in. They want to be here. They want to succeed here and they want to do everything to help rebuild us back to where we should be. I think they would run through a brick wall for Butch if he asked them.
 
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#54
#54
One thing I can say about some of you on Volnation never get in management...you believe in no accountability and no expectations.
 
#55
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majorvol said:
What now begins is Butch getting a win at UK. Then landing a top 5 class . Then giving us hope with a solid season next year.
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I hope he does this, but I will only believe it after it happens. I no longer assume anything or take anything for granted.
 
#56
#56
TBALLVOL said:
Honestly, Did anyone really believe that Coach Jones would have success this year after the revolving door of coaches and schemes that TN has endured the past few years. The truth is embodied in the "brick by brick" mantra by Jones. We all want "shazzam" but he and any realist knows that demolition and then a slow pragmatic approach is required to build a perennial power. The demo is about complete. I anticipate progress to truly begin now and grow exponentially as the old programs are buried and those with the mind of Jones are cemented in. Don't be in such a hurry and just enjoy watching the Rock Rise.
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I do not want to have another year 1, then another year 1, then another year 1, then another year 1.......lookout! The denial crowd wants another year 1!!
 
#57
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volKano said:
The entire team loves him so he has inspired them. They have only won 4 games and still have nothing but great things to say about him. The players had nothing good to say about Dooley and some became lazy. The guys have worked hard and we have great a recruiting class coming in. The team has had to learn new schemes every year and with all that we came up just short in a few games or we would have had a winning record.
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Loving him doesn't mean he can coach

I doubt many Alabama players " love " Saban

They " respect " Saban because he knows how to make them winners
 
#58
#58
I have been with Butch all along, and still am. But there was no excuse to not beat Vanderbilt. That was the only game all year where I would say its on him. We should have won that game. Period. And not the Obama-you can keep it- kind of period, but a serious, for real kind of period. We should not be losing to teams like that if we are truly making progress. I need to see something next year to keep me on board or Im gonna call for a return of the Gruden threads.
 
#59
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TheColdVolTruth said:
No sir, I am not absolutely certain that Jones is not capable. I think the mexican standoff that has become vn over the last few days in that anyone pointing out that coaching played a role in this team's poor performance at times on the field must be bashing and wanting heads to roll is foolish. Honest reflection is healthy. If Butch beat South Carolina, then he lost to several others. If our lack of depth, lack of talent, and slow players lost to these other teams, then they beat South Carolina. People are so quick to throw these kids under the bus, but the multi-millionaire coach gets a free pass. Kool-aid has been the official drink of this fan base for five years now, and it has left a bitter taste. Do I expect this team to win championships next year or the year after? No. Past performance is indicative of future results. I hope Jones gets it done. The recruiting class looks great, but until we are competitive on the field, nobody can be absolutely certain that anyone is the right person. Here's hoping it is Butch, but as of now, the jury is still out.
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Agree 100%

Good solid post.
 
#60
#60
I knew we were doomed when one of the players said coach told the team we just need two more wins when we still had four more games.
 
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hillccs said:
One thing I can say about some of you on Volnation never get in management...you believe in no accountability and no expectations.
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A rush to judgement can be the downfall of a business. In fact, many would say it is the root cause of the entire problem we are discussing.:hi:
 
#62
#62
SigSaurP228 said:
This is irrelevant, good coaches make adjustments to find a way to win football games. I saw none on Saturday against Vandy.
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Coaching had little to do with that loss. QB play was why we lost. End of story. There's no adjustment Butch could have made to fix that problem.
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#64
#64
I'm certain that Coach Jones cannot perfectly coach, but he does not appear to be one who would be stuck on stupid. I think he is passionate about success and winning, and after experiencing the learning curve of the SEC he will hopefully require as much of himself to become better as he expects from his team. He seems to be smart enough and passionate enough to make us believers over the next couple of years. I'm not the least bit concerned at this point. his failures should be a slow roast if warranted and not a flash fry. I personally don't think he deserves either at this point.
 
#65
#65
Rickmanvol said:
Blind faith is not a requirement to be a "true" fan. Butch gets a C- on coaching in his 1st year. The Mendoza line for me this year was 6 wins. That being said. He gets a B+ on recruitng if he signs what he has committed.
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C- is about right on coaching, but if he signs a top 5 class that's "A" work! :lolabove:
 
#66
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chatt-townVOL said:
I agree. Saturday was a very poor performance all around. But I still blame the QB situation for the most part. There is no adjustment for having a 4th string QB. All you can do is take away his throwing privileges after he turns the ball over a few times and rely on the run game, which is exactly what the coaching staff did.
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You think Vandy's DC saw that as well? This team would look and have performed a lot better with good QB play this year. Everyone keeps beating up this roster for being "slow, untalented, etc." but this team would have contended in the East with a QB the caliber of Conner Shaw or the second team kid at Mizzou. Of course so would have Florida. A&M without Johnny would probably be a 3-9 type team. Its a QB game and we just ain't got one.
 
#67
#67
chatt-townVOL said:
His ONE goal.

When everyone thought 3-9 Auburn would suck.

When everyone thought 5-7 Mizzou would suck.

When no one knew we'd be playing our 4th string QB

When no one knew it would come down to the Vandy game and Butch would lose his star reciever at the beginning of the game.

..... things change. His goal was already tough enough before all of the above happened.
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Don't forget about Mo Couch boning us!
 
#68
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1974Vol said:
You think Vandy's DC saw that as well? This team would look and have performed a lot better with good QB play this year. Everyone keeps beating up this roster for being "slow, untalented, etc." but this team would have contended in the East with a QB the caliber of Conner Shaw or the second team kid at Mizzou. Of course so would have Florida. A&M without Johnny would probably be a 3-9 type team. Its a QB game and we just ain't got one.
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We do need a "big splash" QB but a season of Worley would have sufficed to at least get us to a bowl. Losing him was more devastating than anyone thought.
 
#69
#69
volKano said:
The entire team loves him so he has inspired them. They have only won 4 games and still have nothing but great things to say about him. The players had nothing good to say about Dooley and some became lazy. The guys have worked hard and we have great a recruiting class coming in. The team has had to learn new schemes every year and with all that we came up just short in a few games or we would have had a winning record.
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So did Fulmers but that didn't translate into wins!
 
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