Now that both Mannings have won Superbowl MVP's back/back..........

#51
#51
volfanbill said:
Jim McMahon lit up defenses while he was with BYU. There was a reason he came to the NFL so cocky.
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Agreed. While a warm body with a pulse could have been the QB for that Bears squad, McMahon was excellent in college and pretty good (when healthy) in the NFL.
 
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#52
anybody got an official on whether Detmer was a Chow product or not? If so, I may have been to harsh on Chow at times. He's definitely produced some top notch qbs.
 
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#57
volfanbill said:
then, based on sheer numbers, Cut is not the best qb coach i know. Chow can produce some serious monsters.
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I'd take Chow as an OC over Cutcliffe, as well. Everywhere he's been, the offenses have been awesome. It's no coincidence that NC State's offense went from stellar to crap immediately after Chow departed. He's an excellent college coordinator. I still don't know if he'd be a great head coach.
 
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#58
kptvol said:
I'd take Chow as an OC over Cutcliffe, as well. Everywhere he's been, the offenses have been awesome. It's no coincidence that NC State's offense went from stellar to crap immediately after Chow departed. He's an excellent college coordinator. I still don't know if he'd be a great head coach.
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I said qb coach for a reason. No doubt I'd take Chow as an OC over Cut. One day I think we'll see Chow as an HC somewhere and then we can decide on the whole HC issue.

But I don't see how anyone can make a case against a guy who's produced Jim McMahon, Steve Young, Ty Detmer, Matt Leinart, Carson Palmer and Philip Rivers in college.
 
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#59
volfanbill said:
The other thing is how much crap Eli took not just from the media brought from SEVERAL on this board for his incompetence. Now he's a golden boy hero every Vol should love. Pathetic. You can't have it both ways. It's just as bad as Windy's and TnFan07's bandwagon support.
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Amen. For most QBs it takes years to become a great QB in the NFL. Because of who is brother is everyone has been writing off Eli since he took his first snap in the league. He's been getting better and better every year but everyone said he wasn't a "leader" and wasn't "as good as his brother" and now he's won a Superbowl and now everyone wants to put him in the HOF. He was always destined to be great. Wait 2 more years and see where he is, maybe the best in the league.
 
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#60
volfanbill said:
I said qb coach for a reason. No doubt I'd take Chow as an OC over Cut. One day I think we'll see Chow as an HC somewhere and then we can decide on the whole HC issue.

But I don't see how anyone can make a case against a guy who's produced Jim McMahon, Steve Young, Ty Detmer, Matt Leinart, Carson Palmer and Philip Rivers in college.
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In the NFL he didn't know what to do with Vince Young. Just like Cut he probably wouldn't be that good of an NFL coach. The Titans offense wasn't exactly setting the world on fire. However I'd take him over Cutcliffe any day of the week.
 
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#65
volfanbill said:
you obviously haven't watched the Titans play.
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I did watch them play, second year he helped get his team to the playoffs, he's a playmaker and as his career moves forward he will progress into a great pro QB as long as he stays healthy. Just like Eli you need to give him time, most guys don't come right out of the gate and play well at that position. In a couple years if he's still making the same mistakes then you can say that he's no good but give him some time.
 
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TBVols16 said:
I did watch them play, second year he helped get his team to the playoffs, he's a playmaker and as his career moves forward he will progress into a great pro QB as long as he stays healthy. Just like Eli you need to give him time, most guys don't come right out of the gate and play well at that position. In a couple years if he's still making the same mistakes then you can say that he's no good but give him some time.
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Guess we'll see. I don't see him progressing much more. Especially if he doesnt' get more help on the offensive side of the ball.
 
#67
#67
the back to back superbowl wins from the brothers only leads up to the manning vs manning superbowl next year!
 
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#72
TBVols16 said:
I did watch them play, second year he helped get his team to the playoffs, he's a playmaker and as his career moves forward he will progress into a great pro QB as long as he stays healthy. Just like Eli you need to give him time, most guys don't come right out of the gate and play well at that position. In a couple years if he's still making the same mistakes then you can say that he's no good but give him some time.
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In time, he might become a great NFL QB. However, he is not great right now.
 
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