Now That Romney Has The Nomination He Admits He Likes Some Of Obamacare

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Pepe_Silvia said:
It matters to me. Just the fact that the government feels it has the right to force insurance companies to cover people is bothersome to me.
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Ever heard of FAIR Plans or Assigned Risk pools for property insurance? It happens all the time.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
It happens all the time so I should like it?
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Not at all. Just saying.

You haven't seen politics in action until you've seen the back and forth between an insurance company and a state insurance department.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Totally true. How do you explain his 2009 editorial where he explicitly advised the president to adopt -- at the federal level -- an individual mandate?
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the same way many political statements are explained. That in no way means he is for it now and in the form of ACA which is what you stated.
 
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volinbham said:
the same way many political statements are explained. That in no way means he is for it now and in the form of ACA which is what you stated.
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I have read the editorial. Have you?

What is the actual meaningful difference between what Romney endorsed and what Obama did?

Clue: No difference.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I have read the editorial. Have you?

What is the actual meaningful difference between what Romney endorsed and what Obama did?

Clue: No difference.
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It is not his position now which is what you suggested. Just as Obama has changed his positions Romney has here. Yet you keep repeating it as if his position favors the mandate as in ACA.
 
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Just reread it and no where does he say the Federal SHOULD adopt the Mass plan. He uses the Mass plan as an example of how they handled it and later in the editorial he suggests other alternatives that could be used to address the cost issue.

His message is 1) we don't need single payer, 2) we don't need a rush job bill with lots of special favors, 3) controlling costs is key and bromides like "electronic medical records" are not enough.
 
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volinbham said:
It is not his position now which is what you suggested. Just as Obama has changed his positions Romney has here. Yet you keep repeating it as if his position favors the mandate as in ACA.
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Ok. Well, if you want to say that three years ago he championed the very approach ultimately adopted by Obama, but has now changed his mind, I guess we can leave it to the voters to decide whether that is a real change of heart, or just one borne of political expediency.


volinbham said:
Just reread it and no where does he say the Federal SHOULD adopt the Mass plan. He uses the Mass plan as an example of how they handled it and later in the editorial he suggests other alternatives that could be used to address the cost issue.

His message is 1) we don't need single payer, 2) we don't need a rush job bill with lots of special favors, 3) controlling costs is key and bromides like "electronic medical records" are not enough.
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Bull crap. And you know it. He expressly suggests that Obama ought to adopt an individual mandate at the national level.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Bull crap. And you know it. He expressly suggests that Obama ought to adopt an individual mandate at the national level.
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show it. Unless you are going to weasel around what "suggests" means.

the editorial says the US "could learn" from what they did in Mass.

In the ending paragraph where he gives Obama guidance about doing HC reform he never even alludes to the mandate. Even in his description of Mass he talks about incentives and suggests that how Mass did it is only one way.
 
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volinbham said:
show it. Unless you are going to weasel around what "suggests" means.

the editorial says the US "could learn" from what they did in Mass.

In the ending paragraph where he gives Obama guidance about doing HC reform he never even alludes to the mandate. Even in his description of Mass he talks about incentives and suggests that how Mass did it is only one way.
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Again, we can leave it to the voters to decide whether the double speak on this is coherent. So far, utter fail, imo.
 
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Who even cares if it IS double speak at this point? I know one guy is diving into an empty pool head first and the other guy is vowing to repeal it. It's an easy choice for me.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Actually, depending on which day you ask him, he likes the individual mandate, too. Or its socialist. Or it was his idea. Or it should be up to the states. Or it should be done by the feds. Or its good. Or its bad.
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Would that be similar to Senator Obama calling the raising of the debt ceiling " a failure in leadership"?
 
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Mitt Romney: Against Individual Mandates Except When He's For Them - YouTube

In Mitts own words:

Romney: I oppose a Federal mandate.

Romney: I support Wyden Bennett


In debate:
Moderator to Romney:
You have backed away from a federal mandate on a national level.

Romey: No No I like mandates

Romney: What we did with healtcare in MA is a ultimate conservative plan.
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Wyden Bennett also includes a indivisual mandate.

Romney is the KING of flip floppers.
 
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GAVol said:
Who even cares if it IS double speak at this point? I know one guy is diving into an empty pool head first and the other guy is vowing to repeal it. It's an easy choice for me.
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I will repeal it within my first 100 days in office.

Sunday political talk show: Well, I will "not get rid of all of it." I will keep X, Y, Z of Obamacare.

Spokesman afterwards: Romney's position has not changed. He will repeal it.

Last night:

"Well of course I'm going to repeal Obamacare," Romney said. "I've said that on the campaign trail, I think, every single day. Obamacare must be repealed -- in its entirety. It's bad policy, it's bad law, and frankly, a $2 trillion entitlement we don't want and we certainly can't afford.... Obamacare is a disaster in my opinion, and has to be repealed entirely."
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That was within 24 hours.

Romney is a joke.
 
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GAVol said:
Who even cares if it IS double speak at this point? I know one guy is diving into an empty pool head first and the other guy is vowing to repeal it. It's an easy choice for me.
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Romneys double talk is a big reason he is not way up in the polls.
I realize the hard core Rep are going to back the nominee simply because he has R beside his name.

The center is where the election is won. Centrist will vote for someone they do not agree with on some policy issues if they feel
the candidate is a person of integrity and would be the best leader for the country.

To be honest No one knows where Romney stands on anything. He will take a position today and change it the same or next day, that makes him look bad.

A good example is his MTP appearance Sunday. His position changed very quickly after his advisors spoke with him.

I am not voting for Obama and have done a tremendous amount of research on Romney.
He scares me. He always changes his stance.
That is not a leadership quality.
 
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Gramps said:
Romneys double talk is a big reason he is not way up in the polls.
I realize the hard core Rep are going to back the nominee simply because he has R beside his name.

The center is where the election is won. Centrist will vote for someone they do not agree with on some policy issues if they feel
the candidate is a person of integrity and would be the best leader for the country.

To be honest No one knows where Romney stands on anything. He will take a position today and change it the same or next day, that makes him look bad.

A good example is his MTP appearance Sunday. His position changed very quickly after his advisors spoke with him.

I am not voting for Obama and have done a tremendous amount of research on Romney.
He scares me. He always changes his stance.
That is not a leadership quality.
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It kinda worked for Clinton - he really didn't take a hard stand on anything except needing the BJ all the time.
 
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volinbham said:
It kinda worked for Clinton - he really didn't take a hard stand on anything except needing the BJ all the time.
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Now that is weak comeback from you VolinBham but I do understand that there is no good defense for Romneys flipflopping. Romney is a terrible candidate.

This election is a gift to the GOP from Obama and they go and nominate Romney.

I agree with Laura Ingraham when she said "If you can't beat Barack Obama with this record, then shut down the party. Shut it down. Start new, with new people."
 
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