Now That Romney Has The Nomination He Admits He Likes Some Of Obamacare

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Gramps said:
Now that is weak comeback from you VolinBham but I do understand that there is no good defense for Romneys flipflopping. Romney is a terrible candidate.

This election is a gift to the GOP from Obama and they go and nominate Romney.

I agree with Laura Ingraham when she said "If you can't beat Barack Obama with this record, then shut down the party. Shut it down. Start new, with new people."
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Well, you're right I can't defend flip flopping. I do think where he flips the most are on issues that are less critical (e.g. abortion, etc.). As far as core economic policy I think he's pretty stable and I don't think he would be as terrible a leader as he is a politician.
 
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Gramps said:
Good answer :rock:
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Seriously, I think for Romney it's about where he is more than anything else. He's a Massachusetts Republican which is like being Mormon in a whorehouse .... literally. A lot of his earlier positions we're out of necessity.
 
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Gramps said:
I agree with Laura Ingraham when she said "If you can't beat Barack Obama with this record, then shut down the party. Shut it down. Start new, with new people."
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Not a fan of Ingraham at all but that is profound quote.
 
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Seems kind of funny to me that the ideas that the Repubs were putting forth during the Nobamacare debate are now considered "the good points" of Nobamacare. However, the ticking time bomb that is the ACA doesn't begin to blow up until after the election. Strange how that works isn't it? Did I not hear on the news the other day that Barry would not participate in a debate that had questions about the ACA or was it on the out of control debt or was it on his failure to have a budget in 3 years or was it his record in general? BTW, the fed deficit for Aug was 50% higher than July.
 
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hog88 said:
^^The debates (if done 1/2 a$$ right) will be good TV.
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The problem is that they won't be. Nobama has no gonads. He will not debate anything to do with his "record". Now Ryan vs. Biden will be a massacre.
 
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TNGlen said:
Seems kind of funny to me that the ideas that the Repubs were putting forth during the Nobamacare debate are now considered "the good points" of Nobamacare. However, the ticking time bomb that is the ACA doesn't begin to blow up until after the election. Strange how that works isn't it? Did I not hear on the news the other day that Barry would not participate in a debate that had questions about the ACA or was it on the out of control debt or was it on his failure to have a budget in 3 years or was it his record in general? BTW, the fed deficit for Aug was 50% higher than July.
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Not sure how he could even frame the debate like that. He can duck, doge, deflect, and pivot the questions but I don't see a way he can keep those questions from being asked.
 
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GAVol said:
Seriously, I think for Romney it's about where he is more than anything else. He's a Massachusetts Republican which is like being Mormon in a whorehouse .... literally. A lot of his earlier positions we're out of necessity.
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So what does that say about his character?

I'd at least respect him for having a backbone if he were trut to his beliefs as GOV of MA.
 
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dukes_of_maggard said:
So what does that say about his character?

I'd at least respect him for having a backbone if he were trut to his beliefs as GOV of MA.
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Im not sure how big a problem it really is as long as he sticks to what he's campaigning on now. Flip flopping happens all the time. Best example I can think of is George H.W. Bush being a pro choice Republican until Ronald Reagan told him he was pro life and made him the VP nominee.
 
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I'm with GA - the flip-flopping only concerns me if I think it's on core issues. I have no doubt Romney is solidly for tax reform, regulatory reform and all of the above energy policy. I think he's pretty solidly behind entitlement reform but anyone would run from that some I'm not holding my breath. That's enough for me given the current state of things.

I could give two craps about his abortion stance, gay marriage stance, nuances of his HC stance etc.
 
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volinbham said:
I'm with GA - the flip-flopping only concerns me if I think it's on core issues. I have no doubt Romney is solidly for tax reform, regulatory reform and all of the above energy policy. I think he's pretty solidly behind entitlement reform but anyone would run from that some I'm not holding my breath. That's enough for me given the current state of things.

I could give two craps about his abortion stance, gay marriage stance, nuances of his HC stance etc.
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I disagree. I think his long history of flipflopping and his unwillingness to give any detail to what his policies are is killing him in the polls.
With Obama record Romney should be 5-7 % ahead in the polls.

If you do not think the flip flops are a big issue, why do you think Romney is trailing when he should be way out in front?
 
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Gramps said:
I disagree. I think his long history of flipflopping and his unwillingness to give any detail to what his policies are is killing him in the polls.
With Obama record Romney should be 5-7 % ahead in the polls.

If you do not think the flip flops are a big issue, why do you think Romney is trailing when he should be way out in front?
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The power of incumbency. Thinking back, I can only think of two duly elected Presidents that were denied a second term by the voters in the past 70 years. And it took a 3rd party billionaire to help beat one of them.
 
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GAVol said:
The power of incumbency. Thinking back, I can only think of two duly elected Presidents that were denied a second term by the voters in the past 70 years. And it took a 3rd party billionaire to help beat one of them.
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Incumbency may have more power than I think it does. You are correct about Carter and Bush 1.
Carter's time had come and gone. People were tired of him.
After the war with Iraq when so smooth I would have bet heavy that Bush 1 would be reelected.

Then there was Nixon who won reelection by a Landslide then shortly resigned in disgrace.
 
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and despite all the power that incumbency possesses, Obama can't break 50%. Those few percentage points in between Obama and Romney are more than likely going to vote based on the economy, and that doesn't bode well for Obama.
 
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MG1968 said:
and despite all the power that incumbency possesses, Obama can't break 50%. Those few percentage points in between Obama and Romney are more than likely going to vote based on the economy, and that doesn't bode well for Obama.
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If the GOP had a serious candidate, Obama wouldn't even have that.
 
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volinbham said:
I'm with GA - the flip-flopping only concerns me if I think it's on core issues. I have no doubt Romney is solidly for tax reform, regulatory reform and all of the above energy policy. I think he's pretty solidly behind entitlement reform but anyone would run from that some I'm not holding my breath. That's enough for me given the current state of things.

I could give two craps about his abortion stance, gay marriage stance, nuances of his HC stance etc.
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Nuances? Seriously?

lulz

You crack me up, dude. Why not just admit he is a flip flopper on the issue, and that he is doing it for political gain, but that he has at this point agreed to do the GOP's bidding on it if he wins the election, and that you are okay with that?


Its the truth. Would work a whole lot better, imo.
 
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