obama a coward?

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To paraphrase Friedman-Each president enters office as in the middle of a chess game. His moves are limited based on the moves of each of his predecessors. If, as some conservatives believe, the majority of Americans are against the Health plan then that showed more courage than the article ascribes. Closing Gitmo would have given BO 'coward' marks from the right. Not doing what it took to try and succeed in Afghanistan would have done the same. BO can't win for losing.
 
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CSVol said:
To paraphrase Friedman-Each president enters office as in the middle of a chess game. His moves are limited based on the moves of each of his predecessors. If, as some conservatives believe, the majority of Americans are against the Health plan then that showed more courage than the article ascribes. Closing Gitmo would have given BO 'coward' marks from the right. Not doing what it took to try and succeed in Afghanistan would have done the same. BO can't win for losing.
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This might carry more wieght if the healthcare push didn't involve so many political undertones (exemption for unions, etc). I'm not convinced UHC (in the form that passed) was what the administration believed good for the country as much as it was a political handout to his voting base.

JMO.
 
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Ask anyone whose pro-healthcare how they honestly feel about Obama's handling of it all. They won't use the word "courageous."

The strength of the article is you can read it from either wing and it still be salient to one's world-view.
 
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Not trying to defend Obama or anything, but most moves one can make as president will earn the criticism and scrutiny of roughly half the country.

He's been nearly as bad as Bush II, though IMO.
 
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milohimself said:
Not trying to defend Obama or anything, but most moves one can make as president will earn the criticism and scrutiny of roughly half the country.

He's been nearly as bad as Bush II, though IMO.
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If Obama gets eight years, he's going to lap him.
 
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milohimself said:
Not trying to defend Obama or anything, but most moves one can make as president will earn the criticism and scrutiny of roughly half the country.

He's been nearly as bad as Bush II, though IMO.
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Bush was courageous as hell, to the point of stupidity. This is quite the opposite. Being too careful and clever for your own good.
 
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yup. no one can argue bush read the polls and didn't do what he thought was right. i always admired that about him. if only he wasn't poor at making these type of decisions.
 
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To further elaborate Milo, I don't think "like" is really what the article was even discussing here, or even popularity. It's about decision-making and results. Tangible outcomes, value-neutral. Obama doesn't have those things going on thus far.
 
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I've heard analysts say that Obama is still campaigning. He won, he needs to get off the dime and make some executive decisions. Executive experience he didn't have before he got into office and at this rate he won't have it at the end of his term either.
 
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I've got a solution to it all. Howsabout we rate presidents based on whether or not they follow the constitution and not on bravery/cowardice?
 
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nbakerld said:
I've got a solution to it all. Howsabout we rate presidents based on whether or not they follow the constitution and not on bravery/cowardice?
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I don't believe Presidents are bound by the Constitution. Just something I've observed from the past few years
 
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I am not an Obama supporter, but to suggest he is a coward is mind numbingly stupid. Heck, to suggest any POTUS is a coward is mind numbingly stupid. It takes more courage than anyone in this forum has just to run for POTUS, exposing yourself to unprecedented and continuous scrutiny and analysis every single hour of every single day, not to mention the difficult decisions that have to be made on a daily basis.

None of us have a clue
 
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shortgameVol said:
I am not an Obama supporter, but to suggest he is a coward is mind numbingly stupid. Heck, to suggest any POTUS is a coward is mind numbingly stupid. It takes more courage than anyone in this forum has just to run for POTUS, exposing yourself to unprecedented and continuous scrutiny and analysis every single hour of every single day, not to mention the difficult decisions that have to be made on a daily basis.

None of us have a clue
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no benefits from the office? fame, power, money?
 
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shortgameVol said:
I am not an Obama supporter, but to suggest he is a coward is mind numbingly stupid. Heck, to suggest any POTUS is a coward is mind numbingly stupid. It takes more courage than anyone in this forum has just to run for POTUS, exposing yourself to unprecedented and continuous scrutiny and analysis every single hour of every single day, not to mention the difficult decisions that have to be made on a daily basis.

None of us have a clue
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I think the word you're looking for is "ego" not "courage". Obama certainly has an abundance of ego (as does any Presidential hopeful), the other not so much.
 
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Article was written prior to passage of the UN resolution and action by U.S. government. Author complained that Obama wasn't taking a stand.

He has in fact now taken a stand.

/thread.
 
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Sure he has. Now if he could only get the rest of his admin to take the same stand

and are UN resolutions now the deciding factor of using force by the US?
 
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droski said:
no benefits from the office? fame, power, money?
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I don't know of a single POTUS in my lifetime that did it for the money. In fact, I know there hasn't been a POTUS in my lifetime that did it for the money.

I am sure the fame and power can be attractive, but I highly doubt it's an even trade-off. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to notice how the Presidents have been aging while in office. Especially true of Reagan, Clinton, W Bush and now Obama.
 
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