obama a coward?

[MG1968]

Article was written prior to passage of the UN resolution and action by U.S. government. Author complained that Obama wasn't taking a stand.

He has in fact now taken a stand.

/thread.

so following along behind the French, British and the UN is "taking a stand"?

right.

thread re-opened

 

[shortgameVol]

I think the word you're looking for is "ego" not "courage". Obama certainly has an abundance of ego (as does any Presidential hopeful), the other not so much.

No, I got the right word and used it in the proper context. Maybe your opinion is completely different, but you certainly don't know what I am thinking

 

[n_huffhines]

I don't believe Presidents are bound by the Constitution. Just something I've observed from the past few years

Yeah, basically since Lincoln presidents have had varying degrees of constitutional passes.

 

[droski]

:ermm:
I don't know of a single POTUS in my lifetime that did it for the money. In fact, I know there hasn't been a POTUS in my lifetime that did it for the money.

I am sure the fame and power can be attractive, but I highly doubt it's an even trade-off. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to notice how the Presidents have been aging while in office. Especially true of Reagan, Clinton, W Bush and now Obama.

name a president who hasn't been rich after office?

 

[utvolpj]

some people just like titles. See it all the time where people push for leadership positions only to find it really isn't as easy as they think to be the decider. Personally I see it as a character flaw

 

[droski]

Article was written prior to passage of the UN resolution and action by U.S. government. Author complained that Obama wasn't taking a stand.

He has in fact now taken a stand.

/thread.

he has? where's his public statement on whether he wants kadafi gone or not?

 

[shortgameVol]

name a president who hasn't been rich after office?

Name one that wasn't before office. None in my lifetime.

It would be futile for you to go on with this debate.

 

[droski]

Name one that wasn't before office. None in my lifetime.

It would be futile for you to go on with this debate.

clinton, carter, and obama were rich before office?

 

[lawgator1]

so following along behind the French, British and the UN is "taking a stand"?

right.

thread re-opened

Your ignorance on this point is troubling. Go research this and perhaps you will understand why.


(Hint: Who was it that ordered his State Department to go get a resolution passed?)

he has? where's his public statement on whether he wants kadafi gone or not?

'It is US policy that Gaddafi needs to go,' Obama said while visiting in Santiago, Chile. 'And we've got a wide range of tools in addition to our military efforts to support that policy.'

 

[n_huffhines]

some people just like titles. See it all the time where people push for leadership positions only to find it really isn't as easy as they think to be the decider. Personally I see it as a character flaw

It really is about money, fame, and power. PJ O'Rourke said that he prefers a government run in a manner where average Joes are elected and when elected their reaction is "Oh ****!" because it's not a desired position that you can leverage for personal gain.

 

[MG1968]

clinton, carter, and obama were rich before office?

Clinton wasn't hurting. Carter and Obama were both millionaires prior to their ascensions to POTUS.

 

[droski]

'It is US policy that Gaddafi needs to go,' Obama said while visiting in Santiago, Chile. 'And we've got a wide range of tools in addition to our military efforts to support that policy.'

“The focus of the United Nations Security Council was really Benghazi specifically and to protect the civilians,” Mullen said.

“Clearly we have taken down the important nodes that remove his capability,” the top-ranked US military officer said.

“This is not about going after Gaddafi himself or attacking him at this particular point in time. It is about achieving these narrow and relatively limited objectives so that he stops killing his people and so that humanitarian support can be provided.”

On “Meet the Press,” Mullen described the campaign’s aims as “limited,“ saying it ”isn’t about seeing him (Gadhafi) go.” Appearing on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Mullen was asked whether it was possible that the mission’s goals could be achieved while leaving Gadhafi in power.
“That’s certainly potentially one outcome,” he replied.

 

[shortgameVol]

clinton, carter, and obama were rich before office?

Carter was filthy rich. Clinton and Obama nowhere close to Carter, but rich by how most people define the word.

The answer is YES

 

[MG1968]

Your ignorance on this point is troubling. Go research this and perhaps you will understand why.


(Hint: Who was it that ordered his State Department to go get a resolution passed?)




'It is US policy that Gaddafi needs to go,' Obama said while visiting in Santiago, Chile. 'And we've got a wide range of tools in addition to our military efforts to support that policy.'

George W. had several UN resolutions and even received the blessings of Congress on at least two separate occasions.

Didn't stop your side from calling him a war criminal. Obama has a single UNSC vote (with several abstentions, Bush's UNSC votes were unanimous) and Bush had more than twice the number of countries willing to help.

 

[droski]

Clinton wasn't hurting. Carter and Obama were both millionaires prior to their ascensions to POTUS.

When Bill Clinton first ran for President in 1992, Hillary provided most of the couple's income working for the Rose law firm in Little Rock; he earned only $35,000 a year as governor of Arkansas.

Millionaires-in-Chief - Clinton's money (1) - Money Magazine

most of obama's money came from his book and that wouldn't have come without public office.

 

[droski]

Carter was filthy rich. Clinton and Obama nowhere close to Carter, but rich by how most people define the word.

The answer is YES

they were obama definition rich, but no where near as rich as they are today. there is ZERO question that they benefited considerably financially from public office.

 

[shortgameVol]

When Bill Clinton first ran for President in 1992, Hillary provided most of the couple's income working for the Rose law firm in Little Rock; he earned only $35,000 a year as governor of Arkansas.

Millionaires-in-Chief - Clinton's money (1) - Money Magazine

most of obama's money came from his book and that wouldn't have come without public office.

You didn't say public office. You said after being POTUS

You're pretty good at twisting the argument so it might tilt in your favor. Not this time, though...

 

[droski]

You didn't say public office. You said after being POTUS

You're pretty good at twisting the argument so it might tilt in your favor. Not this time, though...

neither of them would be multi millionares without being president. to argue otherwise is ridiculous. hilary's law practice wouldn't have existed without bills political connections. and lets not forget http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/whitewater/stories/wwtr940527.htm

 

[n_huffhines]

When Bill Clinton first ran for President in 1992, Hillary provided most of the couple's income working for the Rose law firm in Little Rock; he earned only $35,000 a year as governor of Arkansas.

Millionaires-in-Chief - Clinton's money (1) - Money Magazine

most of obama's money came from his book and that wouldn't have come without public office.

What?! Obama lectured at Chicago on Constitutional Law???

Millionaires-in-Chief - Obama's money (5) - Money Magazine

 

[shortgameVol]

they were obama definition rich, but no where near as rich as they are today. there is ZERO question that they benefited considerably financially from public office.

You're trying to change the argument again. You said the POTUS might have been interested in the job because of money. I said the opposite.

 

[shortgameVol]

neither of them would be multi millionares without being president. to argue otherwise is ridiculous. hilary's law practice wouldn't have existed without bills political connections. and lets not forget Washingtonpost.com: Hillary Clinton Futures Trades Detailed

YOu got hammered in the original debate. Stop trying to twist it in your favor. No one is trying to argue they didn't prosper financially because of being in the office. I just said they didn't seek the job for the money. And they didn't. Case closed

 

[utvolpj]

'It is US policy that Gaddafi needs to go,' Obama said while visiting in Santiago, Chile. 'And we've got a wide range of tools in addition to our military efforts to support that policy.'

you've used that statement today to prove he said he had to go and that it wasn't the intent of the mission to oust him. Which is it?

from previous thread:

Do you think anyone believes Obama when he says our military involvement is NOT about removing Q? He said that quite clearly.

has he said that? Goes against the message being put out by his Sec of State

He did and there have been some contradictory statements by his administration about it on some of the press shows.

 

[MG1968]

YOu got hammered in the original debate. Stop trying to twist it in your favor.

throw in a "GSM" and a reference to real world gorillas, and I think we have the next utgibbs.

 

[lawgator1]

he has? where's his public statement on whether he wants kadafi gone or not?

'It is US policy that Gaddafi needs to go,' Obama said while visiting in Santiago, Chile. 'And we've got a wide range of tools in addition to our military efforts to support that policy.'

And your response is to simply quote someone else?

Pretty weak, sir.

 

[shortgameVol]

throw in a "GSM" and a reference to real world gorillas, and I think we have the next utgibbs.

No Gibbs here. I live in the real world, not some fantasy land where Phillip Fulmer is the greatest coach of all time and would have went 10-2 last year had he been retained as coach :rock: