Obama/Clinton state dept designates Israel as terrorist sponsor.

#126
#126
therealUT said:
Sorry for the confusion. In my opinion, the Romans would have been justified and would have saved the world more than a couple of headaches had they just decimated the entire Jewish population in 70 CE (which, was their goal by destroying the Temple and then dispersing them; they figured they would assimilate like most all other Romans).

At the time, the Jews they were decimating would have been guilty of crimes against Rome (supporting and committing violent acts of revolt); however, the Jews in Germany were not guilty of any crimes, therefore, I cannot view the Holocaust as justified or in any way good.

Persons like Jewbaccah, though, will simply take my argument of what should have happened in 70 CE and build a straw-man out of the Holocaust since that is the only way he can in any way attempt to defend his position.
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Appreciate you clarifying your thoughts.
 
#127
#127
therealUT said:
Sorry for the confusion. In my opinion, the Romans would have been justified and would have saved the world more than a couple of headaches had they just decimated the entire Jewish population in 70 CE (which, was their goal by destroying the Temple and then dispersing them; they figured they would assimilate like most all other Romans).

At the time, the Jews they were decimating would have been guilty of crimes against Rome (supporting and committing violent acts of revolt); however, the Jews in Germany were not guilty of any crimes, therefore, I cannot view the Holocaust as justified or in any way good.

Persons like Jewbaccah, though, will simply take my argument of what should have happened in 70 CE and build a straw-man out of the Holocaust since that is the only way he can in any way attempt to defend his position.
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In summary, I am a crazy dude who believes killing as a genocidal act is ok.....

Signed,

therealTerrorist
 
#129
#129
BoseefusTheVol said:
Holy crap, where did you get that info from? AIPAC?

Uninhabited before 1919?? You are either joking or just flat out making things up or just regurgitating some pro Israeli talking points. In 1914 Palestine, yes that's what the area was actually called back then had around 650,000 Arab Muslims. 80,000 Arab Christians. 60,000 Jews. Uninhabited?!?! Wow! Good one gs.

As for Arabic last names... Are you serious? Please give me some examples. Or better yet, link an article by some loon. Wow. Give yourself a nice pat on the back gs. You've managed to prove that Palestinians don't exist because of their last names. Brilliant!:crazy:
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:crazy: Back atcha!

Perhaps I should have used the words 'sparsely
inhabited', instead of 'largely uninhabited.'

FWIW, I spent a day or so on a thread that was
titled something like; "history of modern Israel vs
moslem propaganda, that thread had about 75
posts when some monitor saw fit to delete the
whole thread, I'm still looking for a monitor with
balls and integrity enough to restore the thread
to this board.

Many of your questions and misconceptions could
be answered if that were to happen, particularly
one bit that had all the history as written by
moslem scholars in their own words so it couldn't
be construed to be Zionist propaganda.

Oh and none the links I gave in that thread couldn't
possible be called loons.

I'll search and find it agains sometime, as of now
I'm baby sitting a couple of grandchildren who
need my attention.

First off to support what I said:

Does Israel have a right to exist? Does the U.S. - Michael Medved - Townhall Conservative

In order to place these realities in proper perspective,
it’s first necessary to reject some thirty years of wildly
irresponsible anti-Israel propaganda. First of all, it’s not
true in any sense that the modern Jewish State ever supplanted or destroyed an existing nation of
“Palestine.”

From the time of definitive destruction of the ancient
Jewish commonwealth in 70 A.D., the land that
comprises the current State of Israel never enjoyed
independent existence but, rather, passed back and
forth among competing world empires—Roman,
Byzantine, Arab, Crusader, Mamaluke, Ottoman and
British.

Over the course of more than 1,800 years, no
nation with the name “Palestine” appeared on
any maps, anywhere.

The distinguished Arab-American historian Philip Hitti,
professor at Princeton University, testified to the Anglo
American Committee in 1946: ‘There is no such
thing as ‘Palestine’ in history, absolutely not.”

Mark Twain visited the Holy Land in 1867, shortly
before the commencement of modern Jewish
resettlement, and described it as “a desolate
country whose soil is rich enough, but is given
over wholly to weeds—a silent, mournful expanse…
A desolation is here that not even imagination
can grace with the pomp of life and action.”

According to the careful population figures of the
Ottoman Empire, in 1882 (at the very beginning
of the modern, organized Jewish immigration
back to the ancestral home), the total population
of land between the Jordan and the Sea was less
than 250,000 – in an area that today supports ten
million people, Israelis and Palestinians.

(Palestinians being arabs who have adopted the
name Palestinian.(gs

The resettlement of the sparsely populated Holy
Land by the descendants of its ancient inhabitants,
however, did not take place solely in the modern era.

Throughout Jewish history, waves of returnees came
back to the sacred soil of their ancestors. In the 8th
and 9th centuries, A.D., Jewish immigrants re-
established major communities in Jerusalem and
Tiberias; by the 11th Century, they had built new
communities in Jaffa, Ashkelon, Caesarea and Rafah.

In the 16th Century, more Jewish immigrants developed
the famous center of mysticism in Safed and beginning
in the 1700’s religious scholars and pilgrims intensely
repopulated Jerusalem.
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Furthermore there never was a west bank until after
1949, it has always been Judea and Samaria.

Jordan received 77% of the land that was set aside
to be the location of the state of Israel but couldn't
be happy until Israel was completely eliminated.
 
#131
#131
BoseefusTheVol said:
You've managed to prove that Palestinians don't exist because of their last names.
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BTW, that isn't what I said anyway and you probably
are smart enough to understand that.

What I said was they don't have the historical claim
they make because their arabic names reveal that
they have migrated there recently.
 
#134
#134
gsvol said:
BTW, that isn't what I said anyway and you probably
are smart enough to understand that.

What I said was they don't have the historical claim
they make because their arabic names reveal that
they have migrated there recently.
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You say this like you actually think you know what you're talking about, and in reality it's stupid and doesn't make sense.... please explain this, give some examples....
 
#136
#136
Jewbaccah said:
He only has one point he hates Jews. Everything else is BS.
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And you say I'm over the top??

HotAirPundit: John Bolton: Obama is "The Most Anti-Israel President in the History of the State" (Audio)

US President Barack Obama is "the most anti-Israel
president in the history of the state, beyond any
question," John Bolton, the former US ambassador
to the UN told The Jerusalem Post on Tuesday.

“If you think that this is just a misunderstanding
of where the green crayon went in 1949, then
think again,” Bolton said of Obama.
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BoseefusTheVol said:
You say this like you actually think you know what you're talking about, and in reality it's stupid and doesn't make sense.... please explain this, give some examples....
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As I've mentioned to you twice, that was all well
cocumented in the "Israeli history vs moslem propaganda'
thread that was deleted by some monitor for as
yet undisclosed reasons.

Not to worry though, I will look it all up again when
I get the chance, that took me several days of
research to compile but not now.

I'm headed out for dinner, but soon I'll get back
to you.

Question, do you believe Israel is a state sponsor of
terrorists?
 
#137
#137
gsvol;5196680 As I've mentioned to you twice said:
I will look it all up again when
I get the chance, that took me several days of
research[/B] to compile but not now.

I'm headed out for dinner, but soon I'll get back
to you.

Question, do you believe Israel is a state sponsor of
terrorists?
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'research' = copy/paste
 
#138
#138
This thread began with the false premise that it was the Obama administration that put Israel on this list while taking North Korea off. Let me repeat: THE CLAIM IS BLATANTLY FALSE. It is a lie, made up and perpetuated by those who want to make use of Obama's comments about the '67 borders and in a concerted effort to portray the black president with the funny name as a Muslim or Arab plant.

Its a lie. Its disgusting. It is intellectually dishonest. The people who made it up and their friends who have spread the claim, especially knowing that it is false, have no shame and no regard for the truth.
 
#139
#139
lawgator1 said:
to portray the black president with the funny name as a Muslim or Arab plant.
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Ironically, Barack is a highly esteemed Old Testament judge.

lawgator1 said:
The people who made it up and their friends who have spread the claim, especially knowing that it is false, have no shame and no regard for the truth.
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You don't say...
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#140
#140
lawgator1 said:
This thread began with the false premise that it was the Obama administration that put Israel on this list while taking North Korea off. Let me repeat: THE CLAIM IS BLATANTLY FALSE. It is a lie, made up and perpetuated by those who want to make use of Obama's comments about the '67 borders and in a concerted effort to portray the black president with the funny name as a Muslim or Arab plant.

Its a lie. Its disgusting. It is intellectually dishonest. The people who made it up and their friends who have spread the claim, especially knowing that it is false, have no shame and no regard for the truth.
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You need to read the original again.

It doesn't say that Obama took NK off, it just bemoans
the fact that Israel is on and in fact Israel has been
added during the Obama adminstration tenure.

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