Obama Ends Stem Cell Research Ban (merged)

#27
#27
You all are right. Let's abandon the whole endeavor, it has zero promise. Next generation quadripalegics and parkinson's patients are SOL because the skeptics and naysayers have no forward looking ability, the religious right doesn't want to hurt individual cells, and the conservative base just doesn't want to get behind anything Obama does.

Our children and grandchildren suffering from these afflictions can go to France and Japan for treatments if they really want to be cured.
 
#28
#28
it's highly likely that quadripalegics will never be cured. i'm all for all types of research, including stem cell, but this theory that it is some sort of cure all for all diseases is just hyperboli. if bush and the religious right didn't have a problem with it, we wouldn't be hearing about how it was going to cure all our ailments. that is a fact. it's hysteria plain and simple.
 
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rjd970 said:
You all are right. Let's abandon the whole endeavor, it has zero promise. Next generation quadripalegics and parkinson's patients are SOL because the skeptics and naysayers have no forward looking ability, the religious right doesn't want to hurt individual cells, and the conservative base just doesn't want to get behind anything Obama does.

Our children and grandchildren suffering from these afflictions can go to France and Japan for treatments if they really want to be cured.[/QUOTE]

they will not be covered under our "USA Healthcare" plan, audited by the government, anyway....elective treatments and all ya know

seriously, no one is saying to abandon it, just let it be private funds
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droski said:
it's highly likely that quadripalegics will never be cured. i'm all for all types of research, including stem cell, but this theory that it is some sort of cure all for all diseases is just hyperboli. if bush and the religious right didn't have a problem with it, we wouldn't be hearing about how it was going to cure all our ailments. that is a fact. it's hysteria plain and simple.
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How is all this garbage you just posted fact? I would like to see your basis.

Who says it's a cure for everything? The only thing being said about it is it shows much promise, is based on sound science, and deserves our attention. Of course nothing is for certain. But if looked at like an investment, it has a high probability of success with an extremely high rate of return, both monetarily and in the relief of human suffering.

This is something that roughly 3/4 of Americans supported, yet it was vetoed by Bush on ideological grounds. It's an issue that was indicitive of the Bush view of politicizing scientific issues.
 
#31
#31
it's supposed to cure the following: alzheimers, cancer, heart disease, retardation, any type of genetic or non-genetic serious physical ailment, etc etc etc. basically the worst diseases we have on earth. i'm sure someone thinks it will cure aids. why do the liberals have to feed people with this false promise just because bush dislikes it? i can't tell you how many people i know who have gone to mexico to get these treatments only to return home with $20K less money and no results. nanotechnology has just as much promise, but do we hear how that will cure all our woes? nope
 
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T-TownVol said:
they will not be covered under our "USA Healthcare" plan, audited by the government, anyway....elective treatments and all ya know

seriously, no one is saying to abandon it, just let it be private funds
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I'm talking about the additional stem cell lines that can be used now. I am for getting rid of all restrictions placed on this research short of human cloning. Without reading the actual executive order, I assume that is what Obama did.

I would bet the house that private funds are going to roll in at a higher rate now that additional lines have been opened. I don't mind my tax dollars going to subsidize worthwhile research like this.
 
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droski said:
it's supposed to cure the following: alzheimers, cancer, heart disease, retardation, any type of genetic or non-genetic serious physical ailment, etc etc etc. basically the worst diseases we have on earth. i'm sure someone thinks it will cure aids. why do the liberals have to feed people with this false promise just because bush dislikes it? i can't tell you how many people i know who have gone to mexico to get these treatments only to return home with $20K less money and no results. nanotechnology has just as much promise, but do we hear how that will cure all our woes? nope
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You mean you actually know countless people that have spent $20K for medical treatments in Mexico?!? Seriously - Mexico?!? I thought a little higher of you than to mingle in crowds of idiots.
 
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droski said:
it's supposed to cure the following: alzheimers, cancer, heart disease, retardation, any type of genetic or non-genetic serious physical ailment, etc etc etc. basically the worst diseases we have on earth. i'm sure someone thinks it will cure aids. why do the liberals have to feed people with this false promise just because bush dislikes it? i can't tell you how many people i know who have gone to mexico to get these treatments only to return home with $20K less money and no results. nanotechnology has just as much promise, but do we hear how that will cure all our woes? nope
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This is what your basing your hysteria "fact" on? What do you actually know about this research you haven't read about in less than 10 minutes?

The people who went to Mexico that you know have no one to blame but themselves. Mexico?! Seriously?

And FWIW, we should be heavily investing in nanotechnology as well.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
You mean you actually know countless people that have spent $20K for medical treatments in Mexico?!? Seriously - Mexico?!? I thought a little higher of you than to mingle in crowds of idiots.
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desperation causes people to do stupid things. of the people i am close friends with one can't walk, the other's wife has alzheimer's. both could afford to blow it. it's the old "I want to know i did everything possible" argument. i know of many others too through various friends. mostly old people.
 
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rjd970 said:
I'm talking about the additional stem cell lines that can be used now. I am for getting rid of all restrictions placed on this research short of human cloning. Without reading the actual executive order, I assume that is what Obama did.

I would bet the house that private funds are going to roll in at a higher rate now that additional lines have been opened. I don't mind my tax dollars going to subsidize worthwhile research like this.
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Why not human cloning?
 
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rjd970 said:
This is what your basing your hysteria "fact" on? What do you actually know about this research you haven't read about in less than 10 minutes?

The people who went to Mexico that you know have no one to blame but themselves. Mexico?! Seriously?

And FWIW, we should be heavily investing in nanotechnology as well.
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i know there is zero evidence that stem cells do anything. none. it's all hypothetical. if that isn't hysteria i don't know what hysteria is.

and yes it is their fault, but on some level can you blame them? liberals are telling people that bush is stopping people from being able to walk.
 
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volinbham said:
Why not human cloning?
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It's an ethical line that shouldn't be crossed. Harvesting individual cells from existing stem cell lines is not even in the same ethical ball park as creating a cloned human for spare parts.
 
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droski said:
desperation causes people to do stupid things. of the people i am close friends with one can't walk, the other's wife has alzheimer's. both could afford to blow it. it's the old "I want to know i did everything possible" argument. i know of many others too through various friends. mostly old people.
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I'm not in the medical field but based on my travels, Mexico would be one of the LAST places I would go for leading edge treatment. You're right about the desperation clouding the thought process, but dang.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
I'm not in the medical field but based on my travels, Mexico would be one of the LAST places I would go for leading edge treatment. You're right about the desperation clouding the thought process, but dang.
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well i'm not sure any other country actually will inject you with stem cells. but i of course agree with you
 
#47
#47
I don't have a problem with this, but I'm willing to listen to arguements from the other side........:twocents:
 
#48
#48
placenta.GIF


There have been five discoveries from the study of stem cells that can be put to practical medical use so far, all of those have come from the study of adult stem cells and none have come from the study of embryonic stem cells.
 
#49
#49
I have no problem with this unless an exorbitant amount of federal funding is used. I tend to agree with droski about the benefits tend to get exaggerated. I know people who think this is a cure-all that is around the corner. I tend to believe that the research will be beneficial in a variety of smaller ways, but it will probably never be a cure-all solution to cancer, alzheimers, etc.
 
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#50
Why stop with embryonic stem cell research??

Why not clone humans and use them for spare parts??

Another Bush policy is up for review,
that being that doctors can refuse
to perform any procedure they may
find to be morally unacceptable.

The Obama administration may find that they may
be inclined to revoke the license of any physician
who refuses to perform an 'abortion on demand',
including the odious 'partial birth,' or 'live birth'
abortion.
 
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