Obama fires a 'robin hood' warning shot

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#26
Wow, this must be a record of liberals in one thread at the same time. :)

We need a liberal and conservative 'users online now' counter in the political forum.
 
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#28
Well smart guy, here's one for you: While Exxon has made record profits and had their taxes reduced, they have sliced their workforce. :eek:hmy:

In our current climate with our economic indicators being so far out of whack with one another, it is going to be difficult for our economy to recover properly by applying standard economic policies.

To suggest more people are going to be on welfare as a result of Obama taking office is abusurd and quite frankly, a totally uninformed statement. I am fairly confident Obama has a better handle on ecomomic matters than McCain and the fact he has Buffet as an advisor, gives me more confidence.


WB ONLY cares about WB and the profit he can make for BH share holders. Who by the way, disagree with WB's support of Obama.
 
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#29
Exxon also paid more taxes in one year than over 50% of the US tax paying population combined.
 
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Exxon also paid more taxes in one year than over 50% of the US tax paying population combined.

True...my original point was as the most profitable company in the world, they AREN'T creating new jobs, and I am talking about a "net" effect of course.
 
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#32
Wow, this must be a record of liberals in one thread at the same time. :)

We need a liberal and conservative 'users online now' counter in the political forum.

Many of you use these terms out of context on a regular basis. The proper terminology would be Dem and Republican. Many Dems are conservative and many Repulicans are liberal. Case in point: Colin Powell. Most of you would just take it for granted he is a conservative, yet the truth is he is more of a liberal and considered so. Sam Nunn would be considered a conservative as would Zell Miller, but both resided withing the Dem party. JFK was considered conservative as well. I am a conservative both militarily and monetarily, yet am liberal on virtually every social issue.

The point is we tend to label based on what we observe in disagreement but should label based on what we observe in agreement.

I for one do not want Obama to chop up the military and am going to be in both his and my congressman's ear not to do so.
 
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Many of you use these terms out of context on a regular basis. The proper terminology would be Dem and Republican. Many Dems are conservative and many Repulicans are liberal. Case in point: Colin Powell. Most of you would just take it for granted he is a conservative, yet the truth is he is more of a liberal and considered so. Sam Nunn would be considered a conservative as would Zell Miller, but both resided withing the Dem party. JFK was considered conservative as well. I am a conservative both militarily and monetarily, yet am liberal on virtually every social issue.

The point is we tend to label based on what we observe in disagreement but should label based on what we observe in agreement.

I for one do not want Obama to chop up the military and am going to be in both his and my congressman's ear not to do so.


Isn't that one of the main ways he will cut spending.
 
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Many of you use these terms out of context on a regular basis. The proper terminology would be Dem and Republican. Many Dems are conservative and many Repulicans are liberal. Case in point: Colin Powell. Most of you would just take it for granted he is a conservative, yet the truth is he is more of a liberal and considered so. Sam Nunn would be considered a conservative as would Zell Miller, but both resided withing the Dem party. JFK was considered conservative as well. I am a conservative both militarily and monetarily, yet am liberal on virtually every social issue.

The point is we tend to label based on what we observe in disagreement but should label based on what we observe in agreement.

I for one do not want Obama to chop up the military and am going to be in both his and my congressman's ear not to do so.

What happened to you?

Are you and rdj970 on something?

:blink:
 
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#37
Can you source a few million people being 3rd and 4th generation welfare recipients?

Let's use Arkansas as an example

CLICKY

Another way I know, is through personal experience. In the early 1990's I had a job that took me into the inner city housing projects. I came into direct contact with, and interacted with many of the city's poorest residents.

I personally met MANY who were third generation welfare recipients. There is one that really sticks in my mind. She was a very sweet girl. TWENTY YEARS OLD WITH FIVE KIDS. Her grandmother and mother were on welfare, as were her sisters.

You liberals who try and act like generational welfare does not exist in huge numbers, are liars. That was your hero Bill Clinton's big selling point on welfare reform.
 
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We agree then, but I think the generational welfare families argument is a bit overplayed. I would guess the vast majority of welfare cases are temporary, not permanent as you suggest. I agree the abuses of the system need to be rotted out. If you show me where in Obama's platform he supports the abuses you cite, then you will have a point. All he supports is what you agree with, a safety net of some sort.
look at the size of the entitlements budget vs. the unemployment rate.

The amount of section 8 housing money that is mulitgenerational is absolutely enormous.
 
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look at the size of the entitlements budget vs. the unemployment rate.

The amount of section 8 housing money that is mulitgenerational is absolutely enormous.

SHHHH, that is the voting base for the Dems. We must not talk about them.
 
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Let's use Arkansas as an example

CLICKY

Another way I know, is through personal experience. In the early 1990's I had a job that took me into the inner city housing projects. I came into direct contact with, and interacted with many of the city's poorest residents.

I personally met MANY who were third generation welfare recipients. There is one that really sticks in my mind. She was a very sweet girl. TWENTY YEARS OLD WITH FIVE KIDS. Her grandmother and mother were on welfare, as were her sisters.

You liberals who try and act like generational welfare does not exist in huge numbers, are liars. That was your hero Bill Clinton's big selling point on welfare reform.

You should have just answered a simple "no".

The article you reference says the welfare system in Arkansas changed in 1997 to stop the abuse of generational reciepients.
 
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look at the size of the entitlements budget vs. the unemployment rate.

The amount of section 8 housing money that is mulitgenerational is absolutely enormous.


Is Obama in favor of making it bigger? I agree his spending will be out of control, just like with McCain, but he is in favor of equalizing the tax cut across the board....and he not even in favor of doing this immediately. I think he understands the benefit of cutting taxes for the wealthy and creating jobs, but if you read his platform, he is not in favor of making them permanent, and he is in favor of a partial extension of the Bush tax cuts, and returning the capital gains taxes back to what they were under Reagan.

I think the characterization of Obama as wanting to give more and better free rides to people is wrong. Make no mistake, he is no neo-conservative republican when it comes to the economy, but he is more free market than most give him credit for.
 
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You should have just answered a simple "no".

The article you reference says the welfare system in Arkansas changed in 1997 to stop the abuse of generational reciepients.
Do you honestly think it has changed in that short period?

Your contention was, generational welfare didn't exist. It did exist, and it still does.
 
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Is Obama in favor of making it bigger? I agree his spending will be out of control, just like with McCain, but he is in favor of equalizing the tax cut across the board....and he not even in favor of doing this immediately. I think he understands the benefit of cutting taxes for the wealthy and creating jobs, but if you read his platform, he is not in favor of making them permanent, and he is in favor of a partial extension of the Bush tax cuts, and returning the capital gains taxes back to what they were under Reagan.

I think the characterization of Obama as wanting to give more and better free rides to people is wrong. Make no mistake, he is no neo-conservative republican when it comes to the economy, but he is more free market than most give him credit for.
That's a big lick from an investor POV. Makes the return thresholds so high that a considerable amount of investment capital will just find less risky options. OTOH, the muni bond market might find some cash.

Obama only talks like he's a free market guy. He's an absolute give the rich guy's money to the poor guy because it's just fair that way. Many looney libs have tried to sound centrist over the course of a campaign, but everything they've ever done has been hard left.

It is what it is and I don't buy one second of his conversation regarding economic plans or taxes. For me, our worst possible scenario is about to happen. A hardcore redistributionist White House with a sympathetic and potentially filibuster proof congrees run by Reid and Pelosi. It'll make Bush's payday spending sprees look like Ebenezer Scrooge.
 
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#48
Has it ever occured to you that maybe, just maybe....there are people who are on welfare that aren't lazy, and actually need it to get by for awhile?

I know somebody personally that was on welfare because they needed to escape an abusive situation at home. She now has a job and contributes to society.

I guess she should have just been left out on the street, and not given the chance?

I know some Vietnamese immigrants that were on welfare. It is a source of incredible embarrassment that they needed to resort to that. They still don't make much money, but by working seven days a week they've gotten off welfare, own a house, and are sending their daughter to professional school. It's worth noting the parents have barely any education and can barely speak English.
 
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I know some Vietnamese immigrants that were on welfare. It is a source of incredible embarrassment that they needed to resort to that. They still don't make much money, but by working seven days a week they've gotten off welfare, own a house, and are sending their daughter to professional school. It's worth noting the parents have barely any education and can barely speak English.

You should probably stay away from scum like that.
 

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