obama going to india.

[MG1968]

I'm not w fan of Obama, but this is really a non-issue. Preidents travel and spend money. I am sure it's in the budget.
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Do you think if Obama were to visit Iran he'd take 46 warships? It's seems to be saying, "I'm Obama, and I can spend more money in 5 days than 2/3rds of the countries on earth spend in an entire year."

 

[lawgator1]

US to spend $200 mn a day on Obama's Mumbai visit


Can any of you libs please justify why hussein must take with this many people and spend this much for a 10 day trip. he's almost spending 2 billion just to go to india?

You are aware, by now, that this $200 million a day figure has been shown to be TOTALLY FALSE. And that the conservative media and commentators who latched onto it without bothering to check the accuracy of it are yet again embarrassed and backtracking due to their ineptitude?

 

[utvolpj]

so the WH has released the actual cost?

 

[BigPapaVol]

You are aware, by now, that this $200 million a day figure has been shown to be TOTALLY FALSE. And that the conservative media and commentators who latched onto it without bothering to check the accuracy of it are yet again embarrassed and backtracking due to their ineptitude?

has not been shown to be totally false, but is clearly exaggerated. Number is still going to be mind numbingly high. Ticket is going to be well north of $200 million.

 

[lawgator1]

has not been shown to be totally false, but is clearly exaggerated. Number is still going to be mind numbingly high. Ticket is going to be well north of $200 million.

Not per day, which is what the Fox & Company loons embraced.

Didn't see anybody on the right *****ing like this when Bush took his tour on the road.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Not per day, which is what the Fox & Company loons embraced.

Didn't see anybody on the right *****ing like this when Bush took his tour on the road.

But the left didn't shut up about it until he was out of office.

 

[utvolpj]

so cut it in half and it only cost $1bil. That's fine I guess since we're so flush with money

 

[kev20]

oddly enough, not one mention of price in this article

After election bruising, Obama sets off on extensive Asian trip - CNN.com

 

[lawgator1]

From what I understand from radio reports this morning, the report of $200 million came from some Indian news source, that had it way off. Apparently the WSJ has done an article saying it would work out to something like $60k plus per person per day, which is impossible. The WH has said that it cannot release the figures ahead of time for security reasons but that the original Indian source had it "wildly exaggerated." Apparently both factcheck and snopes have deried the media on the right for, in their haste to put up anything anti-Obama, blindly jump on the $200 million per day figure without bothering to check the facts.

 

[gsvol]

Q: Why is obama going to India in the first place?

A: It’s the only American ally he hasn’t pissed off yet.


Example A:

American Thinker Blog: Obama's state department to Indian officials: Show us your papers (updated - US apologizes)

Miffed by the US consulate demanding personal details like birth date, nationality and passport number, Maharashtra's top politicians and bureaucrats have decided to pay it back in the same currency. While the home minister and the home secretary have declined to attend an event graced by President Barack Obama, four others, including chief minister Ashok Chavan and deputy chief minister Chhagan Bhujbal, are mulling the same.

"We are shocked over the tone of the invitation letter. (US consul general Paul) Folmsbee expects Chavan and Bhujbal to produce their identity cards before entering the venue. They have been asked to submit their details like date of birth, nationality, passport and PAN to the consulate," said a senior official on condition of anonymity. "We feel this is no way to treat the chief minister of a state. Chavan and Bhujbal are undecided on whether to attend the event."

Ironic on at least two levels;

1. Obama has refused to produce his own birth certificate.

2. Obama's justice department is suing Arizona and has brought charges before the UN human rights council (manned by the worst countries in the world when it comes to human rights, need I name those countries?) just because that state rightfully demands that people produce documentation of their legal right to be there.

BTW, sending 34 US Naval vessels, flying in 40 planes, 6 armored limosines, two Marine 1 helicopters and renting the whole Taj Mahal Palace for ten days among other expenses has got to come close to $2 billion, no matter what claims ACLG makes, he's obviously in total denial about reality on many levels anyway.

One might say we havn't seen this sort of arrogant gunboat diplomacy since the days of Admiral Perry.

 

[joevol320]

From what I understand from radio reports this morning, the report of $200 million came from some Indian news source, that had it way off. Apparently the WSJ has done an article saying it would work out to something like $60k plus per person per day, which is impossible. The WH has said that it cannot release the figures ahead of time for security reasons but that the original Indian source had it "wildly exaggerated." Apparently both factcheck and snopes have deried the media on the right for, in their haste to put up anything anti-Obama, blindly jump on the $200 million per day figure without bothering to check the facts.

I wish you libs would put as much effort in fact checking healthcare, cap and tax and bailouts as you did in taking this stupid retreat.

i'll tell you this, if they're taking 34 warships including an aircraft carrier, it will be more that 60K a day.

it also sounds like you libs are getting a taste of your own medicine.

 

[IPorange]

Apparently the 34 warships being reassigned is totally false, as well.

Per Naval Command. Those dirty libs.

 

[gsvol]

India sees itself as a Republican ‘Red state’ nostalgic for Bush era Rupee News

Bogged down in health care and bailouts at home, and in “Afpak” abroad, Obama has let the alliance with India wither on the vine. This has frustrated India deeply, especially as a perception came to grip New Delhi that some of Obama’s neglect was payback to India for its closeness to his predecessor.

India pushed back hard and furiously at Obama’s early, tone-deaf attempt to foist Richard Holbrooke on the Indian subcontinent as some sort of “Kashmir czar,” and New Delhi has returned, to a noticeable extent, to the pre-Bush method of dealing with America: watch first, and closely; trust later, and sparingly. It is remarkable how an alliance that had seemed so electrifying—indeed, one that had all the hallmarks of a “paradigm shift” in international relations—has been so quickly squandered.

 

[MG1968]

Impossible, India was once on Russia's side during the Cold War. They couldn't possibly have changed that much over the course of the last two decades.

 

[gsvol]

Apparently the 34 warships being reassigned is totally false, as well.

Per Naval Command. Those dirty libs.

The Indians may see it a bit differently as the USS Abraham Lincoln carrier group just arrived in an unscheduled deployment, included is a guided missile cruiser and numerous other vessels.

Arabian Sea: Center Of West?s 21st Century War

Missing from the following list in the Arabian Sea is the Bonhomme Richard another amphibious assault ship which can land 2,000+ Marines.

The US Navy

Who knows where it actually is??

Impossible, India was once on Russia's side during the Cold War. They couldn't possibly have changed that much over the course of the last two decades.

At the end of October Hitlery announced a $2 b ($10 b over the next five years) military aid package for Pakistan including F-16s.

It doesn't take twenty years for things to change, they can change dramatically in 20 minutes, as happened in the Balkans when the Saudi and Iranian backed mujhadeen (from all over the mideast including al-qaeda from Afghanistan) and the Albanian KLA went from 'terrorist organization' to 'freedom fighters' overnight and then NATO dropped more total bomb tonnage on a traditional ally than was dropped in all of the Vietnam conflict, no doubt this lesson wasn't lost on the Indian government as it was lost on most Americans.

Sooooo, if you were the Indian government would you want to buy Russian equipment or US hardware if you were expecting continued moslem agression coming from Pakistan??

 

[SandstoneVol]

Do you think if Obama were to visit Iran he'd take 46 warships? It's seems to be saying, "I'm Obama, and I can spend more money in 5 days than 2/3rds of the countries on earth spend in an entire year."

I'm not an Obama fan, but I am glad to see you finally are excerting your common sense. hmy:

It would be comforting if a majority of our citizens had an understanding of our economic system, but so many "know-it-alls" think it is economics 101, AND THAT IS A PROBLEM WITH MOST OF OUR CONSERVATIVE BASE. It's economics 452, and as a population, very few actually have a grasp of it. Our economic model has to reflect a policy where our government understands and devolops an economic policy where there is a difference between those making 250,000 as a small business owner, those making 250,000 as an employee of a large corporation and those making 250,000 as a result of trust funds/inheritance. A clear understanding of these differences will lead to a more articulate and detailed reform of our tax code. The tough sell is getting our legisative leaders to implement such a plan. Far too often, our economic policy reflects measures which accommodate short term needs without regard for long term growth.

Right wing media has jumped all over the $200,000,000/day, 3000 contingent junket as reported by foreign media. The figures may or may not be accurate. We will see later.

Hopefully, the blowhards from the extreme right affect change. I am not so certain about it. I still believe this country is best served by a majority of moderate Republicans and conservative Democrats compromising on legislation.

 

[gsvol]

Obama's India visit security erect a bomb proof tunnel at the Gandhi museum | Mail Online

At the heart of the White House caravan is ‘The Beast’, a gigantic, ‘pimped-up’ General Motors Cadillac which security experts say is, short of an actual battle tank, probably the safest road vehicle on the planet.
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To the amazement of the Indians accompanying the U.S. agents, it was apparently decided to erect a bomb-proof over-ground tunnel, which will be installed by U.S. military engineers in just an hour.

The kilometre-long tunnel will measure 12ft by 12ft and will have air-conditioning, close-circuit television cameras, and will be heavily guarded at every point.

It's being built so it is large enough for Mr Obama's cavalcade to pass through and will be manned at its entry and exit points.

The material that the tunnel would be made of has not been released but officials said that the structure would be dismantled immediately after Mr Obama and his party leaves the area.

I kind of doubt the bomb proof tunnel can be put up in one hour but I could be wrong depending on exactly what sort of material may be used, others may have quite a bit more insight into the latest, here is a photo of one type of portable temporary barrier:

Evidently the tunnel is to be constructed not using the type that requires tons and tons of sand in the walls.

Secret Service agents travelled to India last week to address security concerns at locations the president is likely to visit.

Mr Obama will visit India, Indonesia, South Korea, Japan and China as part of a 10-day state tour of Asia.

No mention whether drones will be patroling overhead.

Most of the Obama entourage will be staying at the Taj Mahal Palace where recently approximately 100 people lost their lives in a jihadist moslem terrorist attack.

All of the islamic dominated countries of the world can't put together one decent army so they resort to chickinskip surprise attacks on unarmed people or roadside bombs vs passing military patrols.

 

[gsvol]

The views of some of the Indian people from an
Eglish language Indian message board:

"We know the US is a friend to its geo-political
interests and nothing else. Moreover, militancy
in Kashmir is the direct result of US's fostering
of the Mujahideen for its war on the erstwhile
USSR."

"Secondly, the hypocrisy of the Western Media
in describing the terrorists operating in the
Kashmir Valley as "what India calls as terrorists",
is also appalling."

"IMF loans have been approved without any
conditions on changing Pakistan's hostile posture
against India. There are no requirements on Pakistan
to stop preaching hatred against Hindus (or Sikhs)
and the Indian in general."

"The double standards are blatantly apparent,
even to a blind man. So when some people kill
over 3000 people at one stroke, it can qualify
as "terror" (referring to 9/11) but when others
kill over 40,000 Indians (referring to Kashmir)
over a period of two decades, then it isn't
"terror"???"

Additionally:

Of 28 countries polled by the Program on
International Policy Attitudes for the BBC
World Service in April, 2010, Pakistan was
one of only two countries where a majority
of the public held negative views of the United
States. And in another Gallup survey, when
asked to identify the biggest threat to their
country, 59 percent of Pakistanis identified
the United States, while only 11 percent
named the Taliban.

 

[lawgator1]

I am glad to see you making posts based on debunked claims of $200 million a day.

Your largely race-based hatred for Obama is so ingrained that if you can't advance arguments based on actual facts, you are not above just making them up.

 

[utvolpj]

where was it debunked? What was the actual cost?

 

[T-TownVol]

I am glad to see you making posts based on debunked claims of $200 million a day.

Your largely race-based hatred for Obama is so ingrained that if you can't advance arguments based on actual facts, you are not above just making them up.

from you....this is rich

 

[MG1968]

where was it debunked? What was the actual cost?

LG takes on face value the WH claim that the trip doesn't cost that much. He conveniently ignores the fact that the WH has also not stated how much is actually being spent.

 

[gsvol]

I am glad to see you making posts based on debunked claims of $200 million a day.

Your largely race-based hatred for Obama is so ingrained that if you can't advance arguments based on actual facts, you are not above just making them up.

The $200 million figure has been denied but not
debunked FYI.

You suffer from cranial anal inversion syndrome,
my disdain for Obama has nothing at all to do with
race and everything to do with what he is trying
to promote on behalf of the puppetmasters who
control everything he does, including what pops
up for him to read off his teleprompter.

Obambi is just a figment of your imagination,
a pigment of your infatuation, a remnant for
your indoctrination and nothing more.

Here is a picture of the man who supposedly
debunked the $200 million figure:

Classic 'ugly American' image if you ever saw one.

Barry, in character, bowed before the Indian parliment
then proceded to make a complete fool of himself.
(did I say 'make', maybe I should say displayed his
complete ignorance.)

He is finding it is much easier to fool a lot of people
in America than it is to fool foreigners, the good news
is that not so many in America are fooled as the fools
once were.

American Thinker Blog: Obama's Ignorance of World Affairs on Full Display in India

After that he yet again postured as the world's
leading apologist for islam, which doesn't play
very well in India, you would have to have some
knowledge of the history of the region, even just
the last century or even just the last twenty
years to appreciate that statement.

Freedom's Lighthouse » Obama in India Asked His Opinion of “Jihad”: “Jihad has a lot of Meanings . . .” – Video 11/7/10

Bottom line, if was only spending $20 a day
it's wasted money, he would have done much
better just to have taken a golfing holiday.

BTW, I see I'm off your 'ignore' list this week,
what is it, morbid infatuation??

Gee, I hope boss cat doesn't think this is
condescending toward you. :whistling:

 

[rjd970]

LG takes on face value the WH claim that the trip doesn't cost that much. He conveniently ignores the fact that the WH has also not stated how much is actually being spent.

In all fairness, I think it is reasonable to assume there is a legit security risk with giving an exact number. That said, $200 million and $60k are both wildly exaggerated IMO.

 

[gsvol]

On the first day of vacation
my taxpayers sent to me:
the coconuts removed from the trees

On the second day of vacation
my taxpayers sent to me:
forty big jets
and the coconuts removed from the trees

On the third day of vacation
my taxpayers sent to me:
6 armoured cars
34 warships
and the coconuts removed from the trees

On the fourth day of vacation
my taxpayers sent to me:
1 aircraft carrier
500 agents
personal chefs
and the coconuts removed from the trees

On the fifth day of vacation
my taxpayers sent to me:
Two command posts
Three Marine One copters
30 sniffer doggies
45 vehicles
and the coconuts removed from the trees

On the sixth day of vacation
my taxpayers sent to me:
200 big business bosses
their secretaries
150 journalists
200 personal staffers
One 'Barack Mobile'
and the coconuts removed from the trees

On the seventh day of vacation
my taxpayes sent to me:
five 747s
inner and outer cordons
airspaces sealed
traffic restricted
sea lanes shut down
electronic signals jammed
and the coconuts removed from the trees

On the eighth day of vacation
my taxpayers sent to me:
Protection from monkeys
A giant carbon footprint
[but even so] 'green' treaties
meaningless agreements
outer space colluding
inflated job claims
many boring speeches
and the coconuts removed from the trees

On the ninth day of vacation
my taxpayers gave to me:
one extravagant tunnel
12 feet by 12 feet
a kilometer long
with air conditioning
and TV cameras
heavily guarded
bomb proofed for my safety
just so I can see a museum
and the coconuts removed from the trees

On the tenth day of my vacation
my taxpayers sent to me:
6,000 Americans
850 hotel rooms
One presidential suite
the Taj Mahal
every 5-star hotel
the banquet halls
all the fancy restaurants
mind-boggling chutzpah
on the taxpayers' dime
and the coconuts removed from the trees