Obama: "If you got a business, you didn't build that!"

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lawgator1 said:
Funny that Romney keeps taking Obama's comments out of context then, isn't it ?
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you keep saying that, but you're wrong, no one is taking Obama's remarks out of context. You're just buying into the administration's spin as they try to "explain" what the smartest man ever to be president actually said
 
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I wouldn't mind getting of those $200 billion stimulus checks for green power companies. I would be happy to install a few solar panels and windmills and call it East Tennessee Green Power Inc.
Obama can say he build my business. I would be fine with that just write me the big check.
 
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I find it funny that he was trying to justify government's existence that our businesses could not survive without the government laying the groundwork of roads/infrastructure. The problem is you could immediately swing back with "You may have built those, but we paid for it."
 
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Gramps said:
I wouldn't mind getting of those $200 billion stimulus checks for green power companies. I would be happy to install a few solar panels and windmills and call it East Tennessee Green Power Inc.
Obama can say he build my business. I would be fine with that just write me the big check.
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I'd settle for an $800,000 federal loan to help build my business. You know, like the one the guy in Romney's commercial on this issue got.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'd settle for an $800,000 federal loan to help build my business. You know, like the one the guy in Romney's commercial on this issue got.
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Does he have to pay it back? Did he put his own capital at risk to qualify for the loan? If the answer is yes then Obama's comments are still off the mark.
 
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Obama: If you've been successful you didn't get there on your own - YouTube

Maybe that will help you to better understand what exactly the President meant. He's right; while it may not hold true in literally every single instance ever, the success of everyone who posted in this thread was not due solely to hard work and ingenuity, but rather a combination of that and the contributions of another party/entity/the government.

If you'd like to disagree, please explain your situation and I'll gladly point out why you didn't actually do it on your own. 99.9% of people succeed due to the assistance of someone/something other than themselves, which was precisely what the President was speaking of.

Don't fault the man for speaking in absolutes when his words hold true in what most reasonable people would deem as "all circumstances" during casual conversation.
 
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orangesparkles said:
Obama: If you've been successful you didn't get there on your own - YouTube

Maybe that will help you to better understand what exactly the President meant. He's right; while it may not hold true in literally every single instance ever, the success of everyone who posted in this thread was not due solely to hard work and ingenuity, but rather a combination of that and the contributions of another party/entity/the government.

If you'd like to disagree, please explain your situation and I'll gladly point out why you didn't actually do it on your own. 99.9% of people succeed due to the assistance of someone/something other than themselves, which was precisely what the President was speaking of.

Don't fault the man for speaking in absolutes when his words hold true in what most reasonable people would deem as "all circumstances" during casual conversation.
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I don't think anyone thinks anyone did these things in a vacuum.

What is irksome is the mocking tone about saying he sees people and they must think they are smart because they built this business or they must think they worked hard --- then he tells them basically they are not special and did nothing special because they had this help.

It's not that a man is an island - it's the insinuation that building a business is nothing special and takes no more smarts or hard work or risk than anything else.
 
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volinbham said:
I don't think anyone thinks anyone did these things in a vacuum.

What is irksome is the mocking tone about saying he sees people and they must think they are smart because they built this business or they must think they worked hard --- then he tells them basically they are not special and did nothing special because they had this help.

It's not that a man is an island - it's the insinuation that building a business is nothing special and takes no more smarts or hard work or risk than anything else.
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I don't feel that he's insinuating that building a business is nothing special. When listened to entirely in context, he's just saying that you didn't build it on your own. Building a business of any size takes brains, dedication and hard work... but, really, a lot of people have great business ideas and are dedicated towards building their vision. Not all of them succeed, and it can't be attributed solely to the intellect and work of the ones who did.

Obama never said "you're not that smart" or "you didn't work that hard." He said that people who built businesses didn't get there on their own, and he's right. Making memes out of "you didn't build that" is one thing (clever, too), but using it out of context as a focal point of your campaign is just entirely too misleading.
 
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orangesparkles said:
I don't feel that he's insinuating that building a business is nothing special. When listened to entirely in context, he's just saying that you didn't build it on your own. Building a business of any size takes brains, dedication and hard work... but, really, a lot of people have great business ideas and are dedicated towards building their vision. Not all of them succeed, and it can't be attributed solely to the intellect and work of the ones who did.

Obama never said "you're not that smart" or "you didn't work that hard." He said that people who built businesses didn't get there on their own, and he's right. Making memes out of "you didn't build that" is one thing (clever, too), but using it out of context as a focal point of your campaign is just entirely too misleading.
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Here's part of the comments:

I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
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Why take these shots at people that built successful businesses? It minimizes their effort. Notice too in the comments there is never a positive comment made about what the person DID do. It's a knock you off your high horse lecture to point out that more government is good.

Just think if the topic were teachers instead of business people - they'd feel crapped on too.

It's divisive.

If you are concerned about building a campaign around comments taken out context and exaggerated claims then you must be livid about the campaign Obama is running...
 
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volinbham said:
Why take these shots at people that built successful businesses? It minimizes their effort. Notice too in the comments there is never a positive comment made about what the person DID do. It's a knock you off your high horse lecture to point out that more government is good.

Just think if the topic were teachers instead of business people - they'd feel crapped on too.

It's divisive.

If you are concerned about building a campaign around comments taken out context and exaggerated claims then you must be livid about the campaign Obama is running...
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But he didn't take a shot at them. He never said they weren't smart or hardworking, but rather pointed out the fact that those attributes alone are not responsible for the success of their businesses. Does he need to pacify every business owner out there by qualifying his statements with a "Don't get me wrong, guys, you're really smart, talented and driven... BUT" comment? Not every business owner is smart, nor is every one hard working, though that is neither here nor there since inferring that from his speech is completely misreading Obama's words.

Also, that's not even the portion of the speech he's getting flack for. Obama is being chastised for an out of context statement that is now a major campaign rallying point for people who haven't heard or don't understand what he actually said.
 
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orangesparkles said:
But he didn't take a shot at them. He never said they weren't smart or hardworking, but rather pointed out the fact that those attributes alone are not responsible for the success of their businesses. Does he need to pacify every business owner out there by qualifying his statements with a "Don't get me wrong, guys, you're really smart, talented and driven... BUT" comment? Not every business owner is smart, nor is every one hard working, though that is neither here nor there since inferring that from his speech is completely misreading Obama's words.

Also, that's not even the portion of the speech he's getting flack for. Obama is being chastised for an out of context statement that is now a major campaign rallying point for people who haven't heard or don't understand what he actually said.
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This is some fine bull chit

Refreshing, reminds you of gibbs
 
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orangesparkles said:
But he didn't take a shot at them. He never said they weren't smart or hardworking, but rather pointed out the fact that those attributes alone are not responsible for the success of their businesses. Does he need to pacify every business owner out there by qualifying his statements with a "Don't get me wrong, guys, you're really smart, talented and driven... BUT" comment? Not every business owner is smart, nor is every one hard working, though that is neither here nor there since inferring that from his speech is completely misreading Obama's words.

Also, that's not even the portion of the speech he's getting flack for. Obama is being chastised for an out of context statement that is now a major campaign rallying point for people who haven't heard or don't understand what he actually said.
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Your missing the condescending tone and the fact that government resources (roads, bridges, safe environment provided by the military) are paid by them already via taxes.

I think the comment has been blow out of proportion, but such can be expected in an election year from both sides.
 
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Where's mine? I didn't build sh!t, but am I not entitled by the gumment?
 
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