Obama is for the Gators!

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Football not politics imo. Thing is I wouldnt be a Vol fan either if I were he, nothing he can do here lol. A convicted child molester would win Tennessee if he has an (R) by his name. That (R) is the only thing necessary to win in Tennessee. Dont believe me, two words....Stacy Campfield. Maybe I can see him at the game so I can kick him in the nuts.
 
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Bray#1Vol said:
i agree that bush wasn't the best president we ever had but was a hell of alot better then obama at least people who needed health care had it!! even the people who voted for obama hate him now a days!! so im glad he's a Gator fan will make it that much better when we beat the **** out of them :salute:
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Could you be more blatantly misinformed?
 
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fade route said:
Obama and the democrats have destroyed the pride and dignity of being self sufficient and personally responsible for self. Now its perfctly fine for so many to take what others have simply because they want it and the other person has more. Disgraceful.
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I disagree with this.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Actually, it's not all on Bush either. The fleecing of the country by corporate America and their lobby infested Congress lackeys was in progress as far back as the 1970"s. That includes McCain's involvement with the Keating scandal and Lincoln Savings and Loans mess. Also, to avoid paying taxes company after company moved manufacturing first to Mexico, then to various Asian nations, with China now the primary preference at this time. The process has gone on for years. The result has been the gradual erosion of the USA economy. Neither Democrats nor Republicans are innocent of getting kickbacks in various forms including foreign monetary accounts from allowing certain processes to proceed. That despite their long term cost to not only our citizens but national security. How many of you realize that some components used in our military hardware is produced in China. And further, we're dependent on China and Russia for certain strategic resources like titanium for example? Your law-makers don' tell you things like this. But are happy to let blissfully ignorant and ethno-centrically arrogant citizens blame Obama for consequences that can no longer be hidden from the fleecing process. This is an example of by I'm an Independent. I don't trust any politician and just try to vote for the one that I think will do the least damage to the country.
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Here is a guy who gets it. Very good post sir. The worst part of politics is how devisive they make it. You have to be at one end of the spectrum or the other. Politicians divode and conquer, they pit americans against one another on frivilous social issues and no one focuses on the real problems. What will affect you more, tax cuts for the wealthy or gay marriage? Its easier to fight over the subject that requires not being well informed.
 
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chattavfl86 said:
Here is a guy who gets it. Very good post sir. The worst part of politics is how devisive they make it. You have to be at one end of the spectrum or the other. Politicians divode and conquer, they pit americans against one another on frivilous social issues and no one focuses on the real problems. What will affect you more, tax cuts for the wealthy or gay marriage? Its easier to fight over the subject that requires not being well informed.
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Guys, do yourselves a favor and read this again.
 
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utvolpj said:
would love to hear why
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I just dont believe one president or one party is responsible for an issue thats as old as this country is. There has always been a thin line between helping those who need it and having people take advantage of that help who dont deserve it.
 
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chattavfl86 said:
I just dont believe one president or one party is responsible for an issue thats as old as this country is. There has always been a thin line between helping those who need it and having people take advantage of that help who dont deserve it.
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Dems thrive on keeping an uninformed group on the govt dole. It's their base. Repubs do also to an extent but they are not even close to the same level as Dems when it comes to direct handouts for votes

there is no thin line if people were absolutely forced to provide for the mouths they're responsible for. Mainly the Dem party is responsible for making sure that's not an issue anymore. It's sad really

chattavfl86 said:
What will affect you more, tax cuts for the wealthy or gay marriage?
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neither affect me one bit (or wouldn't if we actually had intelligent leaders and informed voters)
 
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utvolpj said:
Dems thrive on keeping an uninformed group on the govt dole. It's their base. Repubs do also to an extent but they are not even close to the same level as Dems when it comes to direct handouts for votes

there is no thin line if people were absolutely forced to provide for the mouths they're responsible for. Mainly the Dem party is responsible for making sure that's not an issue anymore. It's sad really



neither affect me one bit (or wouldn't if we actually had intelligent leaders and informed voters)
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Oh, you're affected like everyone else. Politicians are liars.They will say and do anything to get your vote money. Behind the scenes they work more on padding their pockets and scheming to look good so they stay in power. This is the basis for money related scandals that manage to come to light. Many more don't. It's the basis for pork barrel politics, especially during election times. Jackass Democrats and elephant ass Republicans both do this, neither more or less than the other. They're all the same. There are no "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" guys anymore. In my view, the party that tends to mismanage the public trust alongside personal greed the most is the Democrats. The party that practices the greater degree of greed and dishonesty is the Republicans.

Americans are woefully ignorant of how they're disrespected as citizens and considered little more than a flock of sheep. One example is that the Bohemian Grove group and several other secret societal groups. They tend to be heavily Republican but not limited to just Republicans. The focus is on controlling not just the USA but the world for the economic gain of a few. Ties of this group to the Masons isn't wholly proven but there's strong circumstantial evidence it is. The point is, politicians are untrustworthy no matter what party, and none of them have our concerns as a priority over their own personal benefits. Their conduct is even detrimental to the nation. But again, Americans tend to be so wrapped up in petty divisive folly we are contributing to our continued blindness to what our leaders are really doing. But the Republicans sure know how to package preexisting, ingrained racial hatred against Obama. The lies I've found the WWW are incredibly blatant but for people who refuse to see them, never will.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Oh, you're affected like everyone else.
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I am absolutely not affected by gay marriage. No one is that doesn't choose to be

I am also not affected by tax cuts for the wealthy if this country was run properly. The only reason I'm affected now is because of the million upon millions of worthless freeloaders that can't live without their handout

you and LG can go have a separate thread about the illuminati and the racist GOP out to get Obama. It's too ridiculous to even discuss
 
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utvolpj said:
I am absolutely not affected by gay marriage. No one is that doesn't choose to be

I am also not affected by tax cuts for the wealthy if this country was run properly. The only reason I'm affected now is because of the million upon millions of worthless freeloaders that can't live without their handout

you and LG can go have a separate thread about the illuminati and the racist GOP out to get Obama. It's too ridiculous to even discuss
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Of course one cannot have a discussion with a person whose mind is closed to the point they won't even research for accurate information. Such arrogance is why there's global hatred for our beloved USA. It shocks me to see even certain of our so-called allies (including European) resent us and work to our detriment. But then when you see the conduct of people here and listen to their arrogance. . . .

OK, utvolpj obviously we can't have a discussion so I'm done with the thread. Have a nice day all the same. Just because we don't agree is no reason to act hateful to one another. You can post a reply but I won't see it as I'm abandoning the thread. Over and out.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Of course one cannot have a discussion with a person whose mind is closed to the point they won't even research for accurate information. Such arrogance is why there's global hatred for our beloved USA. It shocks me to see even certain of our so-called allies (including European) resent us and work to our detriment. But then when you see the conduct of people here and listen to their arrogance. . . .

OK, utvolpj obviously we can't have a discussion so I'm done with the thread. Have a nice day all the same. Just because we don't agree is no reason to act hateful to one another. You can post a reply but I won't see it as I'm abandoning the thread. Over and out.
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if you're going to act like any response is "hateful" then you should move along. Of course calling me stupid as you're running out the door was a nice touch from such an open-minded fella like yourself

I would discuss anything you want besides ridiculous conspiracy theories
 
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chattavfl86 said:
Here is a guy who gets it. Very good post sir. The worst part of politics is how devisive they make it. You have to be at one end of the spectrum or the other. Politicians divode and conquer, they pit americans against one another on frivilous social issues and no one focuses on the real problems. What will affect you more, tax cuts for the wealthy or gay marriage? Its easier to fight over the subject that requires not being well informed.
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did you read the pile of tripe you called a good post. Holy crap.

Tax cuts are immaterial in the big scheme. Government revenues remain essentially unchanged as a percentage of GDP, regardless of structure. Exorbitant spending is the culprit. Unfortunately, that spending is aimed at perpetuating jobs in DC rather than perpetuating our country.
 
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utvolpj said:
Dems thrive on keeping an uninformed group on the govt dole. It's their base. Repubs do also to an extent but they are not even close to the same level as Dems when it comes to direct handouts for votes

there is no thin line if people were absolutely forced to provide for the mouths they're responsible for. Mainly the Dem party is responsible for making sure that's not an issue anymore. It's sad really



neither affect me one bit (or wouldn't if we actually had intelligent leaders and informed voters)
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If dems are responsible then why werent these issues non existant when republicans were in office? I dont want to pick on bush, hell i voted for him in my first ever election, but he had 8 years and nothing changed. Obama has had four years and it hasnt changed. IT WILL NEVER CHANGE. The only way politics will ever change in this country is when americans reject the idea that you have to be super liberal or ultra conservative. The ideology of the parties will change when the politicians have to chase votes towards a more moderate minded majority. Until then its going to be the same old song and dance. You get elected selling false promises and then spend all your time not trying to make good but trying to get reelected next term. The only people it hurts are the constituents these people swear they represent. Their only solution is to keep you dumb enough to think they have your best interests at heart while simultaneously reaping the benefits of your ignorance.
 
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I can sum up the entirety of VN's political view:

Every single thing any democrat does is the worst thing that has ever happened in the history of the world.

The end.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
did you read the pile of tripe you called a good post. Holy crap.

Tax cuts are immaterial in the big scheme. Government revenues remain essentially unchanged as a percentage of GDP, regardless of structure. Exorbitant spending is the culprit. Unfortunately, that spending is aimed at perpetuating jobs in DC rather than perpetuating our country.
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I did read it and i didnt think it was tripe at all.

Exorbitant spending has a lot to do with it, but i dont agree that providing government jobs is the problem. If that were the case we would already be out of recession. Govt jobs are at their lowest point since (i think) the 80s under obama. It is a fact that under Reagan and bush jr the number of govt jobs rose and as they did we pulled out of respective recessions. Romney claims he wont expand govt but he would be a fool not to, the same as obama has been a fool to shrink govt jobs. Its like providing a govt stimulus but requiring people to work for it.
 
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chattavfl86 said:
If dems are responsible then why werent these issues non existant when republicans were in office? I dont want to pick on bush, hell i voted for him in my first ever election, but he had 8 years and nothing changed. Obama has had four years and it hasnt changed. IT WILL NEVER CHANGE. The only way politics will ever change in this country is when americans reject the idea that you have to be super liberal or ultra conservative. The ideology of the parties will change when the politicians have to chase votes towards a more moderate minded majority. Until then its going to be the same old song and dance. You get elected selling false promises and then spend all your time not trying to make good but trying to get reelected next term. The only people it hurts are the constituents these people swear they represent. Their only solution is to keep you dumb enough to think they have your best interests at heart while simultaneously reaping the benefits of your ignorance.
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your post pretty much summed up the Dem position which is why I went after them. I am not a fan of the Repubs either since they seem to think checks made out to CASH are a good idea too. However, at least the Repubs act like they would like to give the people back some of their economic freedom while the Dems don't even try. Keeping people/programs on the entitlement bandwagon is more D than R

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I can sum up the entirety of VN's political view:

Every single thing any democrat does is the worst thing that has ever happened in the history of the world.

The end.
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you should read more posts if that's all you get
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
We have a handful of democrat supporters and a few sensible people that are both outnumbered by the other 48,000 hardcore republicans.
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it leans right but not on the scale you suggest. Unless you are just that far left....
 
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utvolpj said:
it leans right but not on the scale you suggest. Unless you are just that far left....
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If I could bear to read more from the politics forum, I hope I would find what you're saying.

I don't consider myself left or right. What is a person that GENERALLY has conservative economic beliefs and GENERALLY liberal social beliefs?
 
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probably libertarian to an extent but if that were true you wouldn't find this forum as distasteful as you claim.

For example, Dems are spending quite a bit of money right now and running up huge debt yet you're surprised they're being targeted. How does that fit with your own "conservative economic" beliefs?
 
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I've never criticized either party, and I don't intend to now. Just pointing out that it seems like the VAST majority of posters hate democrats no matter what.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
I've never criticized either party, and I don't intend to now. Just pointing out that it seems like the VAST majority of posters hate democrats no matter what.
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Why wouldn't you criticize a party? They're one of the biggest issues facing this country

Dems suck because they're in the process of taking money out of our hands to hand out to others (while running up huge debt). Also for other things but that's a biggie. They are in power and thus get most of the blame
 
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utvolpj said:
Why wouldn't you criticize a party? They're one of the biggest issues facing this country

Dems suck because they're in the process of taking money out of our hands to hand out to others (while running up huge debt). Also for other things but that's a biggie. They are in power and thus get most of the blame
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I meant I don't want to criticize here on VN, not that I don't in general. But what the heck....

The spending democrats do is one of the things that I don't like about the party. However, I'm a little conflicted because some of the things Obama has done directly affects me in a positive light.
 
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