Obama says iran has the right to nuke power

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lawgator1 said:
LG: .... wondering if any of the standardbearer Obama-bashers will admit that Bush had the same policy towards Iran as expressed in this article about Obama's position.

Anyone got any integrity?

Anyone? No?

Ok then.
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I love it. Please bring us another 5 Fox News bashing threads in the next week while completely ignoring the other news stations.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Exactly why does that dialogue have to start?
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It shouldn't. Their only bargaining chip is oil. They got about another generation until that's gone, then they are the ones who will need us.
 
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lawgator1 said:
What's wrong with observing that a large number of Americans have some misconceptions about Islam?

It's true.
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a religion based on violence, that condones decapitations etc etc,

and why is he apologizing? my parents always said dont apologize for something unless you mean it. well i stand behind my belief about extreme islam, i really dont need anyone apologizing for me.

then here comes well you are a bigot, or you are ignorant or whatever for taking my stand.
 
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volinbham said:
Dialogue does not require self-flagellation.
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Hey now. Middle Easterners can too. I know Wahabbists are strict, but they can venture to their own room and visualize girls without burqas.
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lawgator1 said:
What's wrong with observing that a large number of Americans have some misconceptions about Islam?

It's true.
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Ok then, why don't we put it on the table. What are those misconceptions about Islam?
 
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Brewerw said:
It shouldn't. Their only bargaining chip is oil. They got about another generation until that's gone, then they are the ones who will need us.
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I really not buying into this thought anymore. They were saying this a generation ago.
 
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the day muslim leaders stop encouraging terrorism is the day i'll start to believe the average american has misconceptions about islam.
 
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Brewerw said:
Ok. how bout this? Only a generation away from our dependence on them being drastically reduced.
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I think they were saying that a generation ago too. I'd be all for it and am pretty sure we could already be in this situation. Not sure why we are not.
 
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Regardless of the oil; we've made ourselves dependent on the Saudi's in particular through our extensive borrowing. They are tightly linked into our banking system.
 
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allvol123 said:
I think they were saying that a generation ago too. I'd be all for it and am pretty sure we could already be in this situation. Not sure why we are not.
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Money, it doesn't mean we won't be soon though. Car companies are now making huge strides on all energy fronts.
 
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All that matters is what he thinks....

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It looks as though America either cannot or will not have much influence over the Iranians and their nuclear weapons program. Most generally agree they are on the verge of having a nuclear weapons platform ready for deployment, months or weeks out depending on the source.

Israel will be the obvious target of any hostilities but they have a problem, with these nuclear facilities being located so far underground it will be just short of impossible for them to destroy. The US is the best bet for taking out these facilities but most agree Obama will not have any part of destroying them.

The obvious question is does Israel strike soon or do they hold off and hope the US can negotiate? I think Israel has little faith that any negotiations will produce any outcome that provides for the termination or suspension of Iran's nuclear program. Even if there was some kind of suspension all it will have done is buy Israel a little more time. Sooner or later they will run out of time and they know this.

My question to Monteray or any others is do you think Israel strikes in the next 4 to 8 weeks and if so do you think the strike would be successful?
 
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The good thing either way is that gas prices will shoot up. Good thing we handcuff ourselves as far as using our own natural resources. Great strategy.
 
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Another question for someone who knows his stuff:

If these underground bunkers I ran uses for nuclear facilities were to be taken out, what kind of weapon would give us the best shot, bunker buster?
 
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KB5252 said:
Another question for someone who knows his stuff:

If these underground bunkers I ran uses for nuclear facilities were to be taken out, what kind of weapon would give us the best shot, bunker buster?
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Depends on how deep and hardened it is. Theoretically you could build a bunker deep and hard enough to be indestructable against any conventional weapons.
 
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rjd970 said:
Depends on how deep and hardened it is. Theoretically you could build a bunker deep and hard enough to be indestructable against any conventional weapons.
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Well in theory, these are just peaceful energy producing nuclear facilities so probably not much reason to build them too deep. Probably not more than a couple inches from the surface I would say. Probably done just to keep from destroying the natural beauty of the area and to not harm tourism.
 
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rjd970 said:
Depends on how deep and hardened it is. Theoretically you could build a bunker deep and hard enough to be indestructable against any conventional weapons.
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underground facilities need to have access to the surface, take out the surface facilities with cruise missiles, then blanket the area with bunker busters, after that dust settles, drop a few MOABs.
 
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