Obama Tells Republicans To - "Go For It"

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VolInMn said:
So only guv'ment cheese types will benefit from the change in pre-existing conditions or disallowing insurance companies from dropping someone from a plan because they're sick?

You're insinuating that taking these benefits away isn't a big deal because the people they'd be taken from never vote R, anyway. That's not true. Republicans will benefit from this just like anyone else.
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What just happened with the passing of this bill clearly demonstrates that legislation isn't constrained by the will of the people.
 
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VolInMn said:
So only guv'ment cheese types will benefit from the change in pre-existing conditions or disallowing insurance companies from dropping someone from a plan because they're sick?

You're insinuating that taking these benefits away isn't a big deal because the people they'd be taken from never vote R, anyway. That's not true. Republicans will benefit from this just like anyone else.
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No they won't. The percentages are dramatically skewed.

The preexisting conditions lie is crap. Those who want coverage buy it via state pool or Medicaid. This is about free crap for votes. Nothing else. We're providing care only for those who make a lifestyle choice in refusing it.
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BigPapaVol said:
No they won't. The percentages are dramatically skewed.

The preexisting conditions lie is crap. Those who want coverage buy it via state pool or Medicaid. This is about free crap for votes. Nothing else. We're providing care only for those who make a lifestyle choice in refusing it.
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Like I just said....if that's true then it should be a snap to repeal.
 
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VolInMn said:
So only guv'ment cheese types will benefit from the change in pre-existing conditions or disallowing insurance companies from dropping someone from a plan because they're sick?

You're insinuating that taking these benefits away isn't a big deal because the people they'd be taken from never vote R, anyway. That's not true. Republicans will benefit from this just like anyone else.
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Benefits are only benefits if so viewed by the recipient.

My bet is that many Rs who are eligible "benefits" under this plan will not see them as such since to obtain the benefit you have to accept the underlying premise on which they are based.

In short, just because you think you are giving something to a group that doesn't mean they place the same value on it that you think they do.
 
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VolInMn said:
In that case, it should be easy to repeal. Go ahead, I'll wait.
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Nobody is arguing it's easy. That's why dumbass entitlement garbage of this nature needs to be weighed more heavily than this was. This was political chicanery, nothing more and we now made medical costs for everyone in our country cost drastically more.
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VolInMn said:
Like I just said....if that's true then it should be a snap to repeal.
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The free money crap that's hard to repeal is really your point? Good one. America is hollering for joy over more nanny state ad guvment choose and you're using that as a proxy for good lawmaking.
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BigPapaVol said:
Nobody is arguing it's easy. That's why dumbass entitlement garbage of this nature needs to be weighed more heavily than this was. This was political chicanery, nothing more and we now made medical costs for everyone in our country cost drastically more.
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For those that choose to be a benefit to society instead of a burden. It's simple, if you pay taxes this bill screwed you. It's not meant for anyone that holds down a regular job, it punishes them.
 
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VolInMn said:
So only guv'ment cheese types will benefit from the change in pre-existing conditions or disallowing insurance companies from dropping someone from a plan because they're sick?

You're insinuating that taking these benefits away isn't a big deal because the people they'd be taken from never vote R, anyway. That's not true. Republicans will benefit from this just like anyone else.
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i love this argument. we can't repeal it because people might be getting benefits from it. i guess you'd be against repealing slavery too.
 
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Whatever the messiah says, the messiah gets. Arrogance beyond belief on this one. Shove a bill up everyones butt then go on a nation wide propaganda campaign? Why even bother? Just run it like the dictatorship it's becoming. He and the other fascist clowns don't care what we think anyway.
 
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droski said:
i love this argument. we can't repeal it because people might be getting benefits from it. i guess you'd be against repealing slavery too.
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C'mon, you can do better than that. HCR didn't benefit one race of people at the utter expense of another.

And I never said you couldn't repeal it. I said it would be nearly impossible to do so anytime in the near future.
 
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VolInMn said:
C'mon, you can do better than that. HCR didn't benefit one race of people at the utter expense of another.

And I never said you couldn't repeal it. I said it would be nearly impossible to do so anytime in the near future.
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38 states are looking to file suit with the courts, the supreme court could easly repeal this
 
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VolInMn said:
C'mon, you can do better than that. HCR didn't benefit one race of people at the utter expense of another.

And I never said you couldn't repeal it. I said it would be nearly impossible to do so anytime in the near future.
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it's benefiting one class of people at the utter expense of another.
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
38 states are looking to file suit with the courts, the supreme court could easly repeal this
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Yep, in theory they could rule that it's unconstitutional, but that's unlikely, imho. Not to mention that the individual mandate doesn't come into play until 2014, so the court would have to rule on a law before it was in effect.

I'm not saying it can't happen, I just don't think it will.
 
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VolInMn said:
Yep, in theory they could rule that it's unconstitutional, but that's unlikely, imho. Not to mention that the individual mandate doesn't come into play until 2014, so the court would have to rule on a law before it was in effect.

I'm not saying it can't happen, I just don't think it will.
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its already been signed by the president etc etc and therefore it is up for debate in the court system
 
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VolInMn said:
Yep, in theory they could rule that it's unconstitutional, but that's unlikely, imho. Not to mention that the individual mandate doesn't come into play until 2014, so the court would have to rule on a law before it was in effect.

I'm not saying it can't happen, I just don't think it will.
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I actually agree with you, though I hope that I am wrong. The Supreme Court has and does rule against the Constitution on a regular basis.
 
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droski said:
it's benefiting one class of people at the utter expense of another.
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I hit on this briefly last night......everyone will benefit from the change in the way pre-existing conditions are handled, the fact you can't be dropped for getting sick, etc.

So no, it doesn't benefit one class at the utter expense of the other.
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
its already been signed by the president etc etc and therefore it is up for debate in the court system
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The law has, yes. But that part (the individual mandate) hasn't yet been implemented.

Like I said, it's not impossible but I think it's highly unlikely.
 
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VolInMn said:
I hit on this briefly last night......everyone will benefit from the change in the way pre-existing conditions are handled, the fact you can't be dropped for getting sick, etc.

So no, it doesn't benefit one class at the utter expense of the other.
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the overwelming majority of people in this country are already in plans that cover preexisting conditions (group plans already do this) and don't drop you from because you are sick. so you are wrong. implying it's anything but a handout for the losers in this country is garbage.
 
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droski said:
the overwelming majority of people in this country are already in plans that cover preexisting conditions (group plans already do this) and don't drop you from because you are sick. so you are wrong. implying it's anything but a handout for the losers in this country is garbage.
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Insurance companies do drop people when they get sick.

We had insurance for years and about 5-7 years ago my wife was diagnosed with diabetes. She was dropped from coverage within 3 months and no she was not or is not obese.

I am not here praising the plan, but there are some good things in it...and plenty of bad things in it.

One good thing is my wife will be able to be insured again...and before someone mentions she could have be insured throgh TennCare, CoverTenn or Medicaid, you are wrong.
 
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VolInMn said:
I hit on this briefly last night......everyone will benefit from the change in the way pre-existing conditions are handled, the fact you can't be dropped for getting sick, etc.

So no, it doesn't benefit one class at the utter expense of the other.
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No it doesn't. Not in the least. State pools exist for preexisting conditions. Period.
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