Obama to decline public financing

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SWIL said:
Maybe. Perhaps he might follow Dubyah's cue and just sidestep it! They would be much easier than worrying about altering the darn thing! :whistling:
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provide me with some evidence W "sidestepped" the Constitution. If there is any to be found, it is Nancy Pelosi's sworn duty as Speaker of the House to bring impeachment charges against the President. Thus far, she hasn't, which means either she's complicit and therefore guilty of "sidestepping" the Constitution or she knows that the President has acted within the limits placed on him.
 
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TennNC said:
Is that all we got from him?
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well, we did get involved in a war against a country that posed no threat to us. That same war was also done without the blessings of the UN and very limited assistance by our so-called NATO allies.
 
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volsforever27 said:
Are other Presidents guilty of taxes? You bet... you implied that his wrost flaw was his sexual behavior, and I told you otherwise; but NAFTA, all the terroist attacks etc was on his watch, no one else's.
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This is funny. Somehow, something you disagree with is a scandal. So basically, views in opposition of you are scandals? NAFTA is not a scandal, it's legislation. Terrorist warnings and the respective response is an action, not a scandal. Getting BJ's from your secretary and lying about it is a scandal.

As for any of these things -- we can create a list for any President. I still can't see how the current administration does not top the list.
 
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MG1968 said:
Obama must be of the school of thought that thinks the Constitution is a "living" document and should be altered to reflect the times.
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Umm...that's the whole beauty of the Constitution -- the ability to amend it. The Founding Fathers set up the right to amend the Constitution to changing times and pressures. Just don't try to pass Prohibition again.
 
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VolByBirth said:
This is funny. Somehow, something you disagree with is a scandal. So basically, views in opposition of you are scandals? NAFTA is not a scandal, it's legislation. Terrorist warnings and the respective response is an action, not a scandal. Getting BJ's from your secretary and lying about it is a scandal.

As for any of these things -- we can create a list for any President. I still can't see how the current administration does not top the list.
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Are you feeling ok? No where did I say NAFTA was a scandal, so I assume you're seeing things. I was listing the things I didn't care for under his watch. take a deep breath, it'll be ok.
 
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KB5252 said:
I'm not surprised, just another example of Obama's lies, half truths, and deceit.
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Whatever. You voted for a guy twice who has given you nothing but that while in office.

You are a partisan republican. Go ahead and admit it. How many dems have you voted for in your lifetime?
 
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truefan said:
Whatever. You voted for a guy twice who has given you nothing but that while in office.

You are a partisan republican. Go ahead and admit it. How many dems have you voted for in your lifetime?
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does any of that change who Obama is? I am a partisan economic conservative and find everything Obama's economic views reprehensible. Does that mean I can't be objective about who he is, what he's done, who his associations are and how he impacts our economy as a president?

Remind me of the last democrat (you'll probably struggle seeing as how you're completely objective and don't view the world through the 2 party system) that didn't fit KB's definition of Obama?
 
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truefan said:
Whatever. You voted for a guy twice who has given you nothing but that while in office.

You are a partisan republican. Go ahead and admit it. How many dems have you voted for in your lifetime?
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Wow, you make the assumption I voted for Bush? Wrong. I am a partisan republican? Wrong. I have my values and beliefs (care to try and guess at that Nostradamus?) and I do happen to hold some liberal beliefs but I certainly need not justify myself to you. There are many on here that have had debates with me and I actually have a very open mind.
 
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Back to the issue of the thread. Obama's claims that he needs to have cash to battle the Republican attack 527's don't match with the facts.

Experts Reject Claim of 527s Spending Millions to Oppose Obama -- 06/23/2008

"The Democratic organizations, through the 15-month point, have raised more than three times as much as the Republican groups -- $87 million to $24 million," said Michael Malbin, executive director of the Campaign Finance Institute.
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Accusing McCain of being "fueled by contributions from Washington lobbyists and special interest PACs," Obama said that 527s tied to McCain and the Republican National Committee are "spending millions and millions in unlimited donations" to attack him.

"We've already seen that (McCain's) not going to stop the smears and attacks from his allies running so-called 527 groups, who will spend millions and millions of dollars in unlimited donations," the putative Democratic presidential nominee said in a statement e-mailed to Cybercast News Service in lieu of a requested interview.
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However, Sean Parnell, president of the nonpartisan Center for Competitive Politics, said that Obama's claims were simply not accurate.

"Sen. Obama is being incredibly disingenuous when he makes that statement because there is no way Sen. McCain -- or Sen. Obama, for that matter -- can control or limit these 527 organizations -- nor should they be able to," Parnell said.
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"He really wasn't complaining when he went to AFSCME (the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees Union) this week," the former State University of New York professor told Cybercast News Service.

"(This is a group) which ran an ad paid for by its 527 to attack John McCain just before Obama visited and sought their endorsement," Malbin said. "Are labor union 527s good and other 527s bad?"
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More of the new-style politics.
 
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volinbham said:
Back to the issue of the thread. Obama's claims that he needs to have cash to battle the Republican attack 527's don't match with the facts.
More of the new-style politics.
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Do you honestly believe that the Obama camp was strategizing on this issue, saying to each other, "we really need to decline public financing so we can catch up with McCain on the 527's that he's going to bring in"?

Come on. You know that was just his public response to declining public funding. Don't get all Lindsay Graham on us and act like you're personally still disappointed that "he's got all this talent and he's fallen so fast."

We've talked about this before. He's got an advantage in fundraising, and he went against his word to keep that advantage. Obviously he thinks he needs to maintain this advantage to win.

News flash: Obama wants to win this election.
 
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TennNC said:
Do you honestly believe that the Obama camp was strategizing on this issue, saying to each other, "we really need to decline public financing so we can catch up with McCain on the 527's that he's going to bring in"?

Come on. You know that was just his public response to declining public funding. Don't get all Lindsay Graham on us and act like you're personally still disappointed that "he's got all this talent and he's fallen so fast."

We've talked about this before. He's got an advantage in fundraising, and he went against his word to keep that advantage. Obviously he thinks he needs to maintain this advantage to win.

News flash: Obama wants to win this election.
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in other words, Obama lied through his teeth.
 
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TennNC said:
Do you honestly believe that the Obama camp was strategizing on this issue, saying to each other, "we really need to decline public financing so we can catch up with McCain on the 527's that he's going to bring in"?

Come on. You know that was just his public response to declining public funding. Don't get all Lindsay Graham on us and act like you're personally still disappointed that "he's got all this talent and he's fallen so fast."

We've talked about this before. He's got an advantage in fundraising, and he went against his word to keep that advantage. Obviously he thinks he needs to maintain this advantage to win.

News flash: Obama wants to win this election.
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No one else is claiming to be running a different campaign, and yes while others have changed their storty to best suit their needs, that's the whole point. This has been rehashed countless times. If it was a R doing it, you know what they outcry would be.
 
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TennNC said:
In the same words, Obama wants to win.
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so you're comfortable voting for a guy for whom lying is as natural as breathing?

I know John McCain is no saint and can't claim the moral high ground on many things, but I don't think I've seen him lie with the same brazenness that Obama does.
 
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volsforever27 said:
Would you have the same attitude if it was McCain?
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What do you mean?

Have I started multiple threads bashing McCain for not living up to his maverick/independent reputation? For cow-towing to the right-wing extremists? For flip-flopping on issues like offshore drilling?

I only bring these things up when it seems people think Barack Obama is the only politician in the race. The fact is (and it's a fact I've made repeatedly) that they're both politicians, and to win this race, they both feel they have to sacrifice something and go against their previous word in certain instances.
 
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TennNC said:
What do you mean?

Have I started multiple threads bashing McCain for not living up to his maverick/independent reputation? For cow-towing to the right-wing extremists? For flip-flopping on issues like offshore drilling?

I only bring these things up when it seems people think Barack Obama is the only politician in the race. The fact is (and it's a fact I've made repeatedly) that they're both politicians, and to win this race, they both feel they have to sacrifice something and go against their previous word in certain instances.
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No, all I've witnessed is your cintinual defending of Obama and his policies... and I didn't realize Mccain was cow-twoing to right wing extremists (present company included?). Ask a conservative what he/she thinks of McCain.

I'm sure you're against drilling, nothing surprising there. Also, there is a dounle standard with Obama.. anything he does is political genius to some.
 
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TennNC said:
What do you mean?

Have I started multiple threads bashing McCain for not living up to his maverick/independent reputation? For cow-towing to the right-wing extremists? For flip-flopping on issues like offshore drilling?

I only bring these things up when it seems people think Barack Obama is the only politician in the race. The fact is (and it's a fact I've made repeatedly) that they're both politicians, and to win this race, they both feel they have to sacrifice something and go against their previous word in certain instances.
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I think it's a bit more damning that Obama repeatedly criticizes McCain for behavior for which he is also prone.
 
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MG1968 said:
so you're comfortable voting for a guy for whom lying is as natural as breathing?

I know John McCain is no saint and can't claim the moral high ground on many things, but I don't think I've seen him lie with the same brazenness that Obama does.
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I question your characterization of Obama's stances. He said 8 months ago that he would try to broker an agreement with the GOP candidate to publicly finance his campaign, and once he saw that this actually would be disadvantageous to him, he changed his position.

Call it a lie if you want (or maybe you're citing other examples). If so, he "lied" about a future act that he said he would do. If that is the standard, then McCain is certainly just as brazen as he is.

YouTube - The Videotape Catches McCain Lying Again

Matthew Yglesias (February 23, 2008) - McCain's Lying Problem (Foreign Policy)

John McCain: lying extremist - Boing Boing
 
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kptvol said:
I think it's a bit more damning that Obama repeatedly criticizes McCain for behavior for which he is also prone.
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They criticize each other equally for this. Don't pretend that's not true.

It's equally distasteful on both sides.
 
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TennNC said:
I question your characterization of Obama's stances. He said 8 months ago that he would try to broker an agreement with the GOP candidate to publicly finance his campaign, and once he saw that this actually would be disadvantageous to him, he changed his position.

Call it a lie if you want (or maybe you're citing other examples). If so, he "lied" about a future act that he said he would do. If that is the standard, then McCain is certainly just as brazen as he is.

YouTube - The Videotape Catches McCain Lying Again

Matthew Yglesias (February 23, 2008) - McCain's Lying Problem (Foreign Policy)

John McCain: lying extremist - Boing Boing
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What is the point of posting links to liberal blogs? I mean I can post links to National Review, Worl Net etc, but are you really going to read what they ahve to say?
 
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TennNC said:
They criticize each other equally for this. Don't pretend that's not true.

It's equally distasteful on both sides.
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I don't know about that. Regardless, Obama seriously needs to drop the new age politician schtick.
 
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volsforever27 said:
1) No, all I've witnessed is your cintinual defending of Obama and his policies... and 2) I didn't realize Mccain was cow-twoing to right wing extremists (present company included?). Ask a conservative what he/she thinks of McCain.

I'm sure you're against drilling, nothing surprising there. Also, there is a dounle standard with Obama.. anything he does is political genius to some.
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1) I'm continually trying to balance the criticism on here. If I felt both candidates were getting the same treatment on this board, I wouldn't speak up.

I've fully acknowledged Obama's mistakes in other threads - look 'em up if you want to.

I don't think he's perfect. I do think he's a pretty darn good candidate though.

2) Keep up with the campaign.

All Aboard the McCain Express
 
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