obama (whatever) he calls himself

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melissa hyberger said:
what i dont get is most democrates support abortion rights 100%, but they are against capital punishment for convicted murders. its a double standard. why be for killing and innocent child but against killing an adult murderer?
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I support a womans right to choose whether or not to have the baby. As for capital punishment, I don't have a problem with it in theory, I have a problem with it in practice. I have a problem with the entire criminal justice system, and there have been executions carried out before where it was later proven that the person was innocent. I don't trust Caesar. I think most prosecutors would be perfectly willing to let an innocent man be put to death than to admit that they made a mistake and reopen the case. I would rather abolish the death penalty than to see even one innocent man executed.
 
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only problem with that is the fact that all babies are innocent. if someone is executed it is because they broke the law of the land. and what does right to life mean? why is against the law to attempt suicide? why is against the law to take cocain, smoke pot, etc...? its my body right? seems like the only time the law accepts the right to choose is when it comes to abortion. and you or i try lying to a federal grand jury and see how fast they throw you in jail. clinton might have gotten away with it but you and i couldnt. they just changed the word to purgery. it means the same thing as lying
 
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melissa hyberger said:
why is against the law to take cocain, smoke pot, etc...?
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Simple, MONEY. The funny thing is, the government turns right around and wastes millions on there useless "war on drugs".. It's about as useless as making suicide illegal. What are they going to do, throw my corpse in jail?
 
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melissa hyberger said:
only problem with that is the fact that all babies are innocent.
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Melissa, I admire your passion on this issue. The thing is though, that the scientific community is in disagreement as to whether a first trimester fetus can even be considered a baby. I think most would say no.
melissa hyberger said:
if someone is executed it is because they broke the law of the land.
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Like I said in my earlier post, that is not always true.
melissa hyberger said:
why is against the law to take cocain, smoke pot, etc...? its my body right?
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OWB answered that quite well, but I will add because certain segments of society feel the need to tell the rest of us how to live our lives.
melissa hyberger said:
and you or i try lying to a federal grand jury and see how fast they throw you in jail. clinton might have gotten away with it but you and i couldnt. they just changed the word to purgery. it means the same thing as lying
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Perjury and lying are two different things. If I tell you that I am really Dale Earnhardt Jr, I would be lying. If I said it under oath in a courtroom it would be perjury. And the ninth commandment forbids perjury, not lying.
 
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melissa hyberger said:
did anyone see how he votes on abortion? the chattanooga times had an artical the other day that showed he has a 0 score from the national right to life. heck his score is worse that hillary's. he voted 3 times against a bill that would protect a baby if it somehow survived an abortion (and believe it or not this has actually happened in botched abortions.) seems to me the dems cant make hide nor hair about the sanctity of life. they all vote today to cut and run from iraq because the loss of American lives is appaling. but they support anyone who says its ok to kill babies. this makes no sense to me. if they think the red states are dead and morals and common sense are dead i think they may be in for a rude awakening in 2008. any republican who can support killing babies i dont believe has a chance to win federal election from the red states. i just wish fred thompson would run for president in 2008. i cant stand any person running so far whether they are dems or repubs. at least fred thompson was someone i could respect......
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I hope it's as rude an awakening as NOV. 7, 2006 I'm still having nightmares lol.:salute:
 
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many doctors and scientist now agree that the baby feels pain during an abortion. i just watched on the news this morning where a 21 week old baby survived. in most states if not all you can still have an abortion at 5 months. if unborn children could afford lawyers i think they would have a pretty good case for cruel and unusual treatment. just for example, that monster in florida who beat and raped then buried alive that little girl. i saw the sorry scum on the national news the other night and he was sitting in the court room coloring in coloring books. now because of being seen like this some bleeding heart out there is going to say he is crazy and didnt know what he was doing to that little girl so he shouldnt face the death penatly. the way i see it of course he's crazy. nobody in their right mind would do what he did to that child. but that still doesnt excuse what he did. evil is evil any way you cut it. there are some in this country that would have defended hitler......
 
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melissa hyberger said:
many doctors and scientist now agree that the baby feels pain during an abortion. i just watched on the news this morning where a 21 week old baby survived. in most states if not all you can still have an abortion at 5 months. if unborn children could afford lawyers i think they would have a pretty good case for cruel and unusual treatment. just for example, that monster in florida who beat and raped then buried alive that little girl. i saw the sorry scum on the national news the other night and he was sitting in the court room coloring in coloring books. now because of being seen like this some bleeding heart out there is going to say he is crazy and didnt know what he was doing to that little girl so he shouldnt face the death penatly. the way i see it of course he's crazy. nobody in their right mind would do what he did to that child. but that still doesnt excuse what he did. evil is evil any way you cut it. there are some in this country that would have defended hitler......
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Your problem is with abortion views and not Dem. Lumping is always a bad idea because there is no set stadard saying I am a Dem. therefore I am pro abortion. I see why you feel the way you do and I see the other side. I was adopted so I do have a little thought into the whole abortion deal.
 
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melissa just so you know there are people who agree with you and i am one of them!!!! The reason many people want to have legal abortions is because people don't want to face the consequences of their decisions.(insert people who say what about rape) No sex= no pregnancy= no decision on wether to kill a baby or allow it to live. I would say most abortions are not from people who are raped or have a medical issue. It's from people having premarital sex and not wanting to "ruin" their lives with an unwanted baby.
 
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the main reason i mention democrats and abortion in the same breath is because of their party platform that they so proudly defend each and ever election cycle. i do agree that abortion is a choice, just like murder, arson, stealing, rape, etc.... just because its called choice does not make it the right choice. i believe that the life of the mother should always be concidered. if the baby has no brain stem, no brain, i could understand that. but 99% of abortions occure simply because the child is not wanted by the sperm or the egg doner. give these children up for adoption. i live in cleveland and even in a small city our size every day there are 1 or 2 ads for couples willing to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for someone to have a child for them...
 
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We live in a "avoid consequences" society. We run from our problems rather than face them and overcome them. We look for the easiest way out without regard for what may actually come next. We think in the short term....'nough said.
 
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melissa hyberger said:
many doctors and scientist now agree that the baby feels pain during an abortion. i just watched on the news this morning where a 21 week old baby survived. in most states if not all you can still have an abortion at 5 months. if unborn children could afford lawyers i think they would have a pretty good case for cruel and unusual treatment. just for example, that monster in florida who beat and raped then buried alive that little girl. i saw the sorry scum on the national news the other night and he was sitting in the court room coloring in coloring books. now because of being seen like this some bleeding heart out there is going to say he is crazy and didnt know what he was doing to that little girl so he shouldnt face the death penatly. the way i see it of course he's crazy. nobody in their right mind would do what he did to that child. but that still doesnt excuse what he did. evil is evil any way you cut it. there are some in this country that would have defended hitler......
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Please don't take this the wrong way melissa, but being a devoted christian that you seem to be how can you support the death penalty?? Is it really our right to kill somebody for their actions.. In my experience with the bible, it mentions we are not to judge because it is god's decision in what to do with their choices.. Why do you support taking a life that could possible repent their sins and find god.. Their way of death should be in god's hands.. Not in your's, not in mine, and definately not in the government's. According to the christian's logic, they should give them time to change and repent for their sins.. It's not right for you or I to judge anyone based on whatever they did. It's all in god's hands according to the bible. And no matter what you do, you can't stop people from committing abortion.. They will do it regardless what the law says.. And please stop lumping all democrats into the category of pro-abortion.. I know plenty of republicans that support abortion. The democrats are not out to "kill babies"; their giving them the easier option for their decision.. Because many of my friends have had to do abortion the hard way.. They were gonna do it regardless of what the law told them too. It just seems like your judging people based on their beliefs. And the way you want the government to run things, it robs them of what this country stands for. People are gonna do what they want do whether you or I say so.. And there is nothing the law,gov.,god,you, or I can do about it.. It's their decisions, not our's..
 
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StunnA N' Orange said:
People are gonna do what they want do whether you or I say so.. And there is nothing the law,gov.,god,you, or I can do about it.. It's their decisions, not our's..
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That's why I believe instead of wasting our time trying to make abortion illegal again we should we should spend more time changing peoples' hearts and minds. I'm pro choice; I just think you should always choose no.
 
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GAVol said:
That's why I believe instead of wasting our time trying to make abortion illegal again we should we should spend more time changing peoples' hearts and minds. I'm pro choice; I just think you should always choose no.
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I was just trying to be funny in the last post, but this is more how I feel.

I am 100% against late-term abortions. Any others should ONLY be done to save the life of the mother and because I think you have to leave that possibility open, I am against changing the law to make them illegal. I think if we just teach people right from wrong, there will be less needless abortions.
 
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i do understand what you are saying. the reason i can support capital punisment is simply because even Jesus himself said to obey the laws of the land. people in this country know that pre-meditated first degree murder in most states is going to get you executed. im not for executing the mentally ill. im all for the appeals system that we have in place. but most who have been executed in this country were 100% guilty of their crimes. have their been innocent people executed? im sure there have been and that is regrettable. but my point is this. the baby is always innocent. the baby is always the victum. they have no set of appeals to plead their cases or explain why they have the right to life. only we as adults can do this for them. im not a catholic, but i agree 100% with what mother threasa said before she died. she told thousands that the killing of the unborn was the most horrible of all our sins as a civilized nation. it defied nature itself. that anything we tried to do as a nation would fail because of this sickness that has spread though our mindset as human beings. if we cannot protect our children then we do not deserve to have them. children are not a burden to society, they are our future. they are the only hope we have left to fix all the massive problems we as adults have caused. do you realize that there are more laws in the United States protecting animal's than ther are protecting an unborn child? you can call me closed minded but im sorry that is not how its supposed to be and it is a sickning revelation to how far our laws have sunk as a nation. but be sure and vote to ban that Confederate battle flag!!!!!! after all it might hurt somebody's feelings!!!!!!!
 
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GAVol said:
That's why I believe instead of wasting our time trying to make abortion illegal again we should we should spend more time changing peoples' hearts and minds. I'm pro choice; I just think you should always choose no.
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Excellent post. :salute:
 
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melissa hyberger said:
i do understand what but be sure and vote to ban that Confederate battle flag!!!!!! after all it might hurt somebody's feelings!!!!!!!
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I sure will, and once again, I'm not for abortion. But, I do think it's their choice to make and nobody else's.. Many will still do it no matter what the government says. Why not make it easier for them by taking a simple pill. They are not killing babies like you make it about to be. It's a proven fact that they are not living and breathing things that you claim them to be.
 
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StunnA N' Orange said:
I sure will, and once again, I'm not for abortion. But, I do think it's their choice to make and nobody else's.. Many will still do it no matter what the government says. Why not make it easier for them by taking a simple pill. They are not killing babies like you make it about to be. It's a proven fact that they are not living and breathing things that you claim them to be.
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I am so glad Stunna N Orange is on that side.
 
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Then I guees scientists were wrong all those years.. I had not seen this article and it mite change my opinion on this matter. It still will not change the fact that there will be thousands of girls my age and younger that will continue have abortions whether you or the government like it.
 
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StunnA N' Orange said:
Then I guees scientists were wrong all those years.. I had not seen this article and it mite change my opinion on this matter. It still will not change the fact that there will be thousands of girls my age and younger that will continue have abortions whether you or the government like it.
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Well then we should legalize murder as well, since it will happen anyway.
 
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