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volinbham said:
I was referring to it starting with the part about having a brain then immediately calling that claim into question.
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I was referring to the same, but calling the first a lie, which made the rest simply irrelevant.
 
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oh the irony!! is this how this goes... insult people who disagree with you... i feel for your narrow and hypocritical views
 
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Cash Vallin said:
oh the irony!! is this how this goes... insult people who disagree with you... i feel for your narrow and hypocritical views
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I would expect this bs from an Obama supporter. Not surprised in the least.
 
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volinbham said:
I'm commenting on your logic; not your position. There's a difference :hi:
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don't be drawing these subtle distinctions, spelling them out when lost on bro then making out like your original point wasn't just overly complicated in the first place.
 
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UTfanatic98 said:
Why in the world would he want to cut back our military right now? North Korea, Iran and China are emerging as serious threats, if they havent been so already. And his plan? To cut back the most advanced military weapon we have? That being the aircraft carrier.

Obama, go play in the highway.
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Obama apologized and bowed, all is right in the world.

:bow2::bow2::bow2::bow2:
 
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Do you want to tame the deficit by raising taxes or cutting spending? I'm guessing you'll pick cut spending. You want to cut healthcare and education? I want to cut pentagon welfare.

America spends $1 trillion dollars per year maintaining an "empire." What defense spending really is, a giant welfare program. A jobs program for defense workers to build a lot of things we don't need anymore. I'm in no way suggesting we don't need a defense budget, but we spend more on weapons than the next top 15 military powers combined. Let's cut it in half so we only spend as much as the next 8 countries behind us and see if anyone invades us.

If you're unwilling to cut defense you don't really care about the debt.
 
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Vol Doll said:
Do you want to tame the deficit by raising taxes or cutting spending? I'm guessing you'll pick cut spending. You want to cut healthcare and education? I want to cut pentagon welfare.

America spends $1 trillion dollars per year maintaining an "empire." What defense spending really is, a giant welfare program. A jobs program for defense workers to build a lot of things we don't need anymore. I'm in no way suggesting we don't need a defense budget, but we spend more on weapons than the next top 15 military powers combined. Let's cut it in half so we only spend as much as the next 8 countries behind us and see if anyone invades us.

If you're unwilling to cut defense you don't really care about the debt.
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you should probably check out wikipedia to find out exactly what an "empire" is.
 
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Vol Doll said:
Do you want to tame the deficit by raising taxes or cutting spending? I'm guessing you'll pick cut spending. You want to cut healthcare and education? I want to cut pentagon welfare.

America spends $1 trillion dollars per year maintaining an "empire." What defense spending really is, a giant welfare program. A jobs program for defense workers to build a lot of things we don't need anymore. I'm in no way suggesting we don't need a defense budget, but we spend more on weapons than the next top 15 military powers combined. Let's cut it in half so we only spend as much as the next 8 countries behind us and see if anyone invades us.

If you're unwilling to cut defense you don't really care about the debt.
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Until you've hauled your cookies to bad guy territory and been shot at, shut your hole with the stupid arguments about military welfare.

Maybe you get diplomacy on the left wing garage sites that coin terms like miltary welfare. Where do those assume our diplomatic power originates?

And yes, I would cut the governent entirely out of the healthcare business.
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BigPapaVol said:
Until you've hauled your cookies to bad guy territory and been shot at, shut your hole with the stupid arguments about military welfare.

Maybe you get diplomacy on the left wing garage sites that coin terms like miltary welfare. Where do those assume our diplomatic power originates?

And yes, I would cut the governent entirely out of the healthcare business.
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I don't have to haul my cookies anywhere to be able to say I don't want my government spending the amount it does on defense. And if they didn't you wouldn't have had to go get your own cookies shot at. But if you aren't willing to cut anything on BOTH sides of the aisle then you're a hypocrite.

And MG1968, maybe you should read a definition all the way. Ever heard of the term "vernacular" ???
 
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Vol Doll said:
I don't have to haul my cookies anywhere to be able to say I don't want my government spending the amount it does on defense. And if they didn't you wouldn't have had to go get your own cookies shot at. But if you aren't willing to cut anything on BOTH sides of the aisle then you're a hypocrite.

And MG1968, maybe you should read a definition all the way. Ever heard of the term "vernacular" ???
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I'm willing to cut the government to the bone, save defense and security, which is its constitutionally mandated function.

Let's see, I'll do without all of your garbage social gibberish. You willing to do without my defense? You gonna cut all your BS obama vote buying in half. You gonna cut welfare and medicaid in half. You gonna half the salaries of all the worthless GS-15s walking around in DC.

I don't really give a crap where your cookies have been, but the lone government service that is at the top of its class is defense; the rest are utter failures. It's tough for me to see your pacifist gibberish about military welfare if you've never so much as owned a ruck sack. You get to actually have your view because a lot of brave soldiers go to the badlands for your sorry ass. Your commentary was about military welfare and that's where you showed your true colors. Aren't you damn glad that Thomas Jefferson and GW would think you an utter idiot.

Don't presume that because I'm former military that I'm not your superior wrt the English language. I'm well aware of vernacular, but haven't yet seen any in this thread. If you do, you're the moron I thought you were.
 
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I enjoyed that thoroughly.

You've earned that MF in bmfpv in my book.
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BigPapaVol said:
I'm willing to cut the government to the bone, save defense and security, which is its constitutionally mandated function.

Let's see, I'll do without all of your garbage social gibberish. You willing to do without my defense? You gonna cut all your BS obama vote buying in half. You gonna cut welfare and medicaid in half. You gonna half the salaries of all the worthless GS-15s walking around in DC.

I don't really give a crap where your cookies have been, but the lone government service that is at the top of its class is defense; the rest are utter failures. It's tough for me to see your pacifist gibberish about military welfare if you've never so much as owned a ruck sack. You get to actually have your view because a lot of brave soldiers go to the badlands for your sorry ass. Your commentary was about military welfare and that's where you showed your true colors. Aren't you damn glad that Thomas Jefferson and GW would think you an utter idiot.

Don't presume that because I'm former military that I'm not your superior wrt the English language. I'm well aware of vernacular, but haven't yet seen any in this thread. If you do, you're the moron I thought you were.
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If you dig a little deeper you'll find that Thomas Jefferson was actually against standing armies, and his main concern was that the military remain subordinate to the civil.

And don't presume I am not grateful for those that have fought for this country because you're wrong. I can support those in service, it's the idiots sending them to places we don't belong I have a problem with - Democrat or Republican.

But one last thing: have you noticed a big difference on this site when different sides are arguing? Those on the "left" stick to issues; those on the "right" have to throw some mud and personal attacks. Grow up.
 
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Vol Doll said:
But one last thing: have you noticed a big difference on this site when different sides are arguing? Those on the "left" stick to issues; those on the "right" have to throw some mud and personal attacks. Grow up.
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that's not correct at all
 
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Vol Doll said:
If you dig a little deeper you'll find that Thomas Jefferson was actually against standing armies, and his main concern was that the military remain subordinate to the civil.

Don't be absurd. Thomas Jefferson wrote West Point into law and he engineered the structure of civilian control of the military. We're fortunate that he did. Many have copied it. His issues with standing armies were steeped in governmental overthrow moreso than costs. He obviously didn't like the costs, but conceded it was necessary. He founded USMA because he wanted a professional officer corps to help preclude his fears.

And don't presume I am not grateful for those that have fought for this country because you're wrong. I can support those in service, it's the idiots sending them to places we don't belong I have a problem with - Democrat or Republican.

Not when you're calling the military a welfare program. It might have been bastardized into such with ridiculous social engineering and such, but it's still the most powerful force this earth has ever seen and is the source of our greatest diplomatic advantage.

But one last thing: have you noticed a big difference on this site when different sides are arguing? Those on the "left" stick to issues; those on the "right" have to throw some mud and personal attacks. Grow up.
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See Bold.

Your last statement is one of the most ridiculous I've seen here, and that's an enormous standard.

You called our military a welfare program, period. Your little sideshow about mutual cutting got slammed into your earhole, because you're arguing with people who would rather have their wives frivolously pissing away money than our vote buying politicians. In the end, the only one here being hypocritical is you in trying to pretend that you were staying on topic. Who the hell introduced healthcare into this discussion?
 
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I spent a long time reading through forums before I started posting. Go back and check if you don't believe it.
I'm not saying there aren't those on the left that haven't thrown personal attacks. I just think that it's rude and inappropriate to attack someone personally regardless of their stance. It makes you look like a bully.
 
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Vol Doll said:
I spent a long time reading through forums before I started posting. Go back and check if you don't believe it.
I'm not saying there aren't those on the left that haven't thrown personal attacks. I just think that it's rude and inappropriate to attack someone personally regardless of their stance. It makes you look like a bully.
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A bully? On an electronic forum? That's entertaining.

I'm shocked that you default to whiny pacifism.
 
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Diplomacy at the end of a gun. Just about says it all.

I'm not the one that brought "Obamacare" into this forum, go back to page one. This topic is about cutting military spending. I merely asked if you were willing to cut it if other programs were cut as well.
 
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Vol Doll said:
Diplomacy at the end of a gun. Just about says it all.

I'm not the one that brought "Obamacare" into this forum, go back to page one. This topic is about cutting military spending. I merely asked if you were willing to cut it if other programs were cut as well.
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Diplomacy at the end of a gun isn't what I'm talking about, although it is, with many of the despots around our world today, the only thing that is of any merit whatsoever. Bowing to militants and being apologetic buffoons has never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever worked.

Again, who brought healthcare to the thread? And yes, the vast majority here, save the hard left, are more than willing to cut all programs across the board. A private company would do it and find a way in tough times. The idiots at the helm have simply borrowed more money, and that includes the last idiots and our congress forever.
 
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And regarding Thomas Jefferson:
"There are instruments so dangerous to the rights of the nation and which place them so totally at the mercy of their governors that those governors, whether legislative or executive, should be restrained from keeping such instruments on foot but in well-defined cases. Such an instrument is a standing army."

"I do not like [in the new Federal Constitution] the omission of a Bill of Rights providing clearly and without the aid of sophisms for... protection against standing armies."

"Nor is it conceived needful or safe that a standing army should be kept up in time of peace for [defense against invasion]."

"A distinction between the civil and military [is one] which it would be for the good of the whole to obliterate as soon as possible." --

"There shall be no standing army but in time of actual war."

Put that in your pipe and smoke on it for a while.
 
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Vol Doll said:
And regarding Thomas Jefferson:
"There are instruments so dangerous to the rights of the nation and which place them so totally at the mercy of their governors that those governors, whether legislative or executive, should be restrained from keeping such instruments on foot but in well-defined cases. Such an instrument is a standing army."

"I do not like [in the new Federal Constitution] the omission of a Bill of Rights providing clearly and without the aid of sophisms for... protection against standing armies."

"Nor is it conceived needful or safe that a standing army should be kept up in time of peace for [defense against invasion]."

"A distinction between the civil and military [is one] which it would be for the good of the whole to obliterate as soon as possible." --

"There shall be no standing army but in time of actual war."

Put that in your pipe and smoke on it for a while.
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again, he conceded the need, even then for the standing military, and that was in a time when we were very well protected by two enormous oceans and limited scope of firepower on the part of our enemies.

You've pulled a set of quotes from earlier arguments regarding our defense. In his presidency, he took a different view of the world, because he knew it was the right one.
 
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