ObamaGate

#326
#326
Orange_Crush said:
I have taken, and continue to take, this story with as grain of salt. I aw the thread pop up initially, skimmed the accusations, and have ignored it over the weekend as unbelievable.

I treat it exactly how I treat the Trumputin accusations. It's non-story politics until proven otherwise.

All that to say this: You are correct, and these threads prove it on/from both sides.

Those who immediately dismiss Trumputin while coming here to accept and propagate Obamagate... Those who come here to immediately dismiss Obamagate while filling multiple threads that have already convicted Trump as a Russian Manchurian Candidate.

It's ridiculous all the way around.

These threads show what people hope to be true. Little more.
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Agree.
 
#329
#329
tumscalcium said:
That's hilarious. This is great. You've never "owned" anyone with anything, let alone me. In fact, you made up crap earlier in this thread, which is what you cry about most. You've fallen in to many graves I dug for you, much like many others.

You're liberal. Liberals are stupid, naive, ridiculously ignorant to how the world works, to how people work. You think with your feelings and not your brain. I take this into consideration when dealing with you lie others.

You're the little dog nipping at the heels. Nothing more, nothing less. Now, get back to doing what you do best, insulting others for not posting pics of their girlfriends/wives. Lol - You're a pathetic old man.
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Wow, still licking the window I see. Owned.
 
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#331
#331
joevol320 said:
how does one even begin to respond to such idiocy. trump worked in one of the least pro-business states and city in America for decades. i think he would have been busted years ago if he was as corrupt as you hope.

You sure didn't complain when your media was giving obama a 2 years infomercial and not looking at his past or investigating him. your media gave us obama.

i disagree that your media gave us trump, your boy obama gave us trump.
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Yes, they're partially responsible, and it still gobsmacks me everytime this impostor in the WH makes an idiotic claim like this that our media still rushes out panels to have discussions about his baseless claims as if he's some sort of serious individual.

Regarding how he's not in prison, he's not in prison (yet) for the same reason Hillary is not in prison. He's an elite with money. He's no different from her in that regard; you only think he is.

It's about time we started treating this dangerous idiot for the dangerous idiot that he is and stop dignifying his vitriolic nonsense. So, yes, I partially blame the media for his rise.
 
#332
#332
It seems that both sides are off and running with largely unfounded garbage. If anything substantial on Trump had been found by this investigation then it would have already been released. On the other side, it appears that Trump was caught up in an investigation, but it is unknown whether he was the target or if he was talking to a target. However, that hasn't stopped the right from going full bore on attacking Obama.

It's amazing that neither side can see past their own party bs.
 
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#333
#333
ClearwaterVol said:
It seems that both sides are off and running with largely unfounded garbage. If anything substantial on Trump had been found by this investigation then it would have already been released. On the other side, it appears that Trump was caught up in an investigation, but it is unknown whether he was the target or if he was talking to a target. However, that hasn't stopped the right from going full bore on attacking Obama.

It's amazing that neither side can see past their own party bs.
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Thinking like this, while conciliatory in tone, will only keep Trump's illegal ties hidden from exposure. It's what also allowed Hillary to escape. Where there are plumes and plumes of smoke, there is good reason to suspect a fire.

For the record, I've been asked multiple times basically about what you bring up here: that if all of this was known already, why didn't anyone act on Trump before the inauguration? That's a good question, and one I don't claim to know the answer to, but we should also consider the possibility that a lot of the damning information we may very well have on Trump comes from foreign intelligence sources, which we did not have before the election or even the inauguration.
 
#334
#334
volprof said:
Yes, they're partially responsible, and it still gobsmacks me everytime this impostor in the WH makes an idiotic claim like this that our media still rushes out panels to have discussions about his baseless claims as if he's some sort of serious individual.

Regarding how he's not in prison, he's not in prison (yet) for the same reason Hillary is not in prison. He's an elite with money. He's no different from her in that regard; you only think he is.

It's about time we started treating this dangerous idiot for the dangerous idiot that he is and stop dignifying his vitriolic nonsense. So, yes, I partially blame the media for his rise.
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what dangerous stuff is he doing? lowering taxes? stopping illegal immigration? building a wall? increasing military spending? cutting the size of Fed gov?

what is he doing that is scary?
 
#335
#335
volprof said:
Thinking like this, while conciliatory in tone, will only keep Trump's illegal ties hidden from exposure. It's what also allowed Hillary to escape. Where there are plumes and plumes of smoke, there is good reason to suspect a fire.

For the record, I've been asked multiple times basically about what you bring up here: that if all of this was known already, why didn't anyone act on Trump before the inauguration? That's a good question, and one I don't claim to know the answer to, but we should also consider the possibility that a lot of the damning information we may very well have on Trump comes from foreign intelligence sources, which we did not have before the election or even the inauguration.
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By your own logic that would extend into plumes and plumes of smoke that Obama targeted an incoming president. Right now, I just can't see a lot of meat on either bone.
 
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#336
#336
volprof said:
Thinking like this, while conciliatory in tone, will only keep Trump's illegal ties hidden from exposure. It's what also allowed Hillary to escape. Where there are plumes and plumes of smoke, there is good reason to suspect a fire.

For the record, I've been asked multiple times basically about what you bring up here: that if all of this was known already, why didn't anyone act on Trump before the inauguration? That's a good question, and one I don't claim to know the answer to, but we should also consider the possibility that a lot of the damning information we may very well have on Trump comes from foreign intelligence sources, which we did not have before the election or even the inauguration.
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if trump had all these illegal ties going on. don't you think these foreign gov would have provided to hillary?

the best thing to happen for these foreign gov and the globalists was to have Hillary win. yet the only damning thing you guys could find was locker room talk.
 
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#337
#337
joevol320 said:
what dangerous stuff is he doing? lowering taxes? stopping illegal immigration? building a wall? increasing military spending? cutting the size of Fed gov?

what is he doing that is scary?
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He is drastically over estimating the amount of revenue that the federal government will have to pay for his programs. He is set to add a ton to the debt if the revenue does not take a huge jump.
 
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#340
#340
joevol320 said:
if trump had all these illegal ties going on. don't you think these foreign gov would have provided to hillary?

the best thing to happen for these foreign gov and the globalists was to have Hillary win. yet the only damning thing you guys could find was locker room talk.
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I can't help someone who won't help himself.

As I've told others, practically all of the information you need to indicate Donny's decades of corruption is right before our very eyes, in numerous news reports.
 
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#341
#341
joevol320 said:
what dangerous stuff is he doing? lowering taxes? stopping illegal immigration? building a wall? increasing military spending? cutting the size of Fed gov?

what is he doing that is scary?
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Throwing our entire system into chaos for his personal benefit and whipping up individuals like yourself into a hysterical frenzy about the "Deep State" so that you will throw our system into even further chaos once his term comes to a premature end due to his illegal contacts.
 
#342
#342
volprof said:
Throwing our entire system into chaos for his personal benefit and whipping up individuals like yourself into a hysterical frenzy about the "Deep State" so that you will throw our system into even further chaos once his term comes to a premature end due to his illegal contacts.
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funny, you accuse people of believing the 'deep state' attacks, yet you believe unsubstantiated claims of illegal contacts? who are these russian? i can counter any "illegal contacts" with russia with your boy hillary's pay for play deals with every wealthy county in the middle east and including russia.

i'll say this, it's quite easy for some spook to leak classified info against their political enemies, including the president. your accusations would have proven during the campaign quite quickly.
 
#343
#343
volprof said:
Throwing our entire system into chaos for his personal benefit and whipping up individuals like yourself into a hysterical frenzy about the "Deep State" so that you will throw our system into even further chaos once his term comes to a premature end due to his illegal contacts.
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so our system now is open borders and giant fed gov? and stopping that is illegal?
 
#345
#345
Septic said:
A. Is Obama a Judge on the FISA court and second, probable cause?
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i believe they approved every type of request the doj brought before them. they didn't reject any request. obama had a rubber stamp when it came to wiretapping.
 
#346
#346
joevol320 said:
i believe they approved every type of request the doj brought before them. they didn't reject any request. obama had a rubber stamp when it came to wiretapping.
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From the party that whines incessantly about fake news, you guys sure are digging your heels in on a story that relies on "connected dots" by a couple of yokels who hated Obama.

Proof or gtfo.
 
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#347
#347
If your argument rests on Clapper saying there was no spying, you've got to be sweating bullets.
 
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#348
#348
ClearwaterVol said:
It seems that both sides are off and running with largely unfounded garbage. If anything substantial on Trump had been found by this investigation then it would have already been released. On the other side, it appears that Trump was caught up in an investigation, but it is unknown whether he was the target or if he was talking to a target. However, that hasn't stopped the right from going full bore on attacking Obama.

It's amazing that neither side can see past their own party bs.
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Reasonable people generally take a wait and see approach to most things. Although like you said the Putin stuff has been pushed for a while now and no proof has come of it. The "attacks" on Obama that I've seen are posting evidence which outlines some precedent to intelligence gathering on perceived opponents - like in the case of journanalists. Of course, none of it linked back to Obama directly, only reasonable suspicion that he was at least aware. The widely reported FISA requests show they were clearly trying to bug Trump and appeared to have settled for bugging a server in Trump tower. It's also been reported by the media - Trump campaign officials had conversations that were wiretapped.

I think it's fair for people to criticize the manner in which Trump made the allegations. But I don't think they can be entirely dismissed with the information out there. Of course Trump has made the repeated mistake of not being precise with his words. He may have been bugged - but to prove Obama ordered it, I imagine would be difficult and of course there isn't any public evidence it that I'm aware of.
 
#349
#349
Weezy said:
If your argument rests on Clapper saying there was no spying, you've got to be sweating bullets.
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I don't think anyone needs to make an argument it didn't happen. The proof it did occur lies with the ones asserting the claim.
 
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