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[CountVolcula]

Actually, fewer employers are concerned about this stuff anymore. The worst thing you can have on your record from an employer's perspective is a crime of dishonesty like theft or a felony. Even DUIs don't matter much anymore, mainly because more people have them now and there's no indication that a DUI means you aren't intelligent and a hard worker.
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It could however indicate that you might be a poor decision maker

 

[Brave Volunteer]

I agree, however, more employers are looking at stuff like this. It's the way that the world is.

Employers are starting to look at potential employee's Facebook pages too, which I think is wrong. What someone does in their personal life should not be the business of who they work for! One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. It should not be allowed IMO.

 

[Thump]

Employers are starting to look at potential employee's Facebook pages too, which I think is wrong. What someone does in their personal life should not be the business of who they work for! One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. It should not be allowed IMO.

It is this attitude that causes employers to look at people's Facebook Pages. When you work for a company, you are the face that people see. And as such, you can't go around acting like it doesn't matter. Right or wrong, it does have an effect on the employer's business and that makes it their business. They aren't just investing in your work, they are investing in you as an employee and a person. If you want to be in a business where you are just a number and can clock in and clock out, I would recommend you look for an hourly job somewhere.

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

Employers are starting to look at potential employee's Facebook pages too, which I think is wrong. What someone does in their personal life should not be the business of who they work for! One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. It should not be allowed IMO.

If someone throws info out onto the internet, is it really that personal?

 

[DERELICK_MY_VOLS]

If an employer holds this against them when they are 40 years old, then that employer isn't someone to work for.

I got arrested for possession of alcohol as a minor in Aynor, SC my sophomore year in college. Thought my now retired Army Major father was going to kill me....he laughed about it when he found out. Went to get a sales license in California and had problems getting one...finally got it cleared up. When the GM came to speak to me about I was scared what he would say....but his response to me was, "College kid being a college kid. If that is the worse thing you ever do in life then you will be fine." It really is no big thing IMHO. :good!: :salute: :loco: :dance: :dunno: :zeitung_lesen:

 

[Brave Volunteer]

It is this attitude that causes employers to look at people's Facebook Pages. When you work for a company, you are the face that people see. And as such, you can't go around acting like it doesn't matter. Right or wrong, it does have an effect on the employer's business and that makes it their business. They aren't just investing in your work, they are investing in you as an employee and a person. If you want to be in a business where you are just a number and can clock in and clock out, I would recommend you look for an hourly job somewhere.

Well of course it does depend on what you do for a living. I work in accounting and I am certainly not the "face" of anything. And yes the argument could definitely be made that if you are putting info out on Facebook, it's not really personal. I get that. My point is that if you are the most qualified for the job, you have the credentials needed, and you have a good work record, what difference does it make what sort of things you're into outside of work? I mean, as long as you're not doing anything criminal what business is it of your potential employer what you do outside of work?

What if your potential employer is a granola-eating tree hugger and sees on your Facebook page that you're an avid hunter? Does that sway someone's decision on whether they hire you or not? It could! What if they're a Florida fan or an Alabama fan and they see on Facebook that you're a UT fan? Does that sway someone's decision? It could! What if you're a comic nerd who attends comic conventions wearing a Batman constume? Will an employer think that's just too weird or nerdy of a guy to associate with? They might!

 

[Sharriscgcs]

They all live for the fame of wearing the Orange. Maybe these clowns will realize it ain't all its cracked up to be. Too bad if this never totally goes away on the internet. It may teach them a valuable lesson. Now Butch needs o wear them out in the spring!

"Clowns"??? Really??? The kids got a little banged up and made a stupid decision...They just happen to be football players. Will you still cheer for these "Clowns" next fall when they are knocking the hell out opponents on the field?

 

[daj2576]

If someone throws info out onto the internet, is it really that personal?

Oh it's typically very personal, but it's never private.

It is shocking reading things that people will say on Facebook.

 

[SDV]

Oh it's typically very personal, but it's never private.

It is shocking reading things that people will say on Facebook.

I love when couples fight on Facebook, or slam their exes

 

[Orangedogsrule]

It is this attitude that causes employers to look at people's Facebook Pages. When you work for a company, you are the face that people see. And as such, you can't go around acting like it doesn't matter. Right or wrong, it does have an effect on the employer's business and that makes it their business. They aren't just investing in your work, they are investing in you as an employee and a person. If you want to be in a business where you are just a number and can clock in and clock out, I would recommend you look for an hourly job somewhere.

Ready for a Rant?

DAMN RIGHT IT'S AN ATTITUDE!
H3LL NO! AND NOT ONLY H3LL NO! BUT OH H3LL NO!
YOU ARE NOT MY FB 'FRIEND'!!!!! AND YOU DON'T GET TO BE A 'FRIEND' ON MY FB PAGE! DON'T ASK!

I HAVE MY FB PAGE SET TO MAXIMUM PRIVACY, AND YOU ARE NOT MY FRIEND! IF, AS MY EMPLOYER, YOU LOOK AT MY FB PAGE, YOU ARE INVADING MY PRIVACY!

An employer is ONLY an employer, they are NOT my 'friend'. I am ONLY their employee, I am NOT their 'friend'.

No, they DO NOT have a right to ask me to 'friend' them on my FB page when I have it restricted.

I AM NOT the same person now I was "lo those many years ago" that some of my best friends and me get to chuckling about how we're 'lucky to be alive'.

There are others who were merely acquaintances, but post about 'the wild things we did in college' as if I was there, when I was actually in Viet Nam. You have NO WAY to know that. Whether I even like the guy in the first place, but only tolerate him because of other friends.

There is soo much B.S. posted on FB that any employer who thinks what you said:

"... that makes it their business..." is not a very bright employer in the first place, I will not work for them. I will not hang my financial security hat on the hook of a company who thinks their employees should 'friend' them on FB so they can use it as a way to judge their employees character. They are making business decisions based on what often is not who the person is.

Yes, they should do the standard 'background check' which can find felons, etc. Apart from that I grant them no other right to investigate me, before they invest in me, as an employee and a person. My letters of recommendation and resume speak for me. How I behave and perform when I show up for work is all else you're gonna get. If they won't hire me .....

Screw them! All else is absolutely NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS.

As posted above, what if my faith is different?
What if my sports team is different? What if I hunt, or don't hunt? What if I don't have a concealed carry permit, or do? What if I don't like AR15's and discuss that, or do? What if some of the guys I discuss guns with are an over the top 'Survivalist", and I find it amusing but the potential employer doesn't because he/she's a survivalist? And then, what if the fact is, the only gun I have is an old Savage 30-06 that was passed down from my Dad and is dangerous to use, but only a keepsake. I used to have a gun case, but sold it all when my son and daughter showed no interest in hunting. NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS. NOT NOW NOT EVER.

It should be made illegal for a company to ask their employee's to 'friend' them, or even to snoop on FB pages, with penalties so severe that those who have their privacy invaded by employers receive a significant financial damage award.

Hey, let me have a go at the companies financial books you keep. Both sets, preferably the one that's been on the stove the longest.

If you want employees who will be loyal; who find your business an attractive place to work. To be ambassador's for it, and help find other excellent employees for you; I suggest you quit snooping in their private lives instead of coming off like the old USSR KGB.

 

[daj2576]

I love when couples fight on Facebook, or slam their exes

It's a train wreck on facebook.

People complain about the government spying, but were doing it all for them. We share pictures, locations, and our private lives on what is essentially an online billboard.

 

[daj2576]

Ready for a Rant?

DAMN RIGHT IT'S AN ATTITUDE!
H3LL NO! AND NOT ONLY H3LL NO! BUT OH H3LL NO!
YOU ARE NOT MY FB 'FRIEND'!!!!! AND YOU DON'T GET TO BE A 'FRIEND' ON MY FB PAGE! DON'T ASK!

I HAVE MY FB PAGE SET TO MAXIMUM PRIVACY, AND YOU ARE NOT MY FRIEND! IF, AS MY EMPLOYER, YOU LOOK AT MY FB PAGE, YOU ARE INVADING MY PRIVACY!

An employer is ONLY an employer, they are NOT my 'friend'. I am ONLY their employee, I am NOT their 'friend'.

No, they DO NOT have a right to ask me to 'friend' them on my FB page when I have it restricted.

I AM NOT the same person now I was "lo those many years ago" that some of my best friends and me get to chuckling about how we're 'lucky to be alive'.

There are others who were merely acquaintances, but post about 'the wild things we did in college' as if I was there, when I was actually in Viet Nam. You have NO WAY to know that. Whether I even like the guy in the first place, but only tolerate him because of other friends.

There is soo much B.S. posted on FB that any employer who thinks what you said:

"... that makes it their business..." is not a very bright employer in the first place, I will not work for them. I will not hang my financial security hat on the hook of a company who thinks their employees should 'friend' them on FB so they can use it as a way to judge their employees character. They are making business decisions based on what often is not who the person is.

Yes, they should do the standard 'background check' which can find felons, etc. Apart from that I grant them no other right to investigate me, before they invest in me, as an employee and a person. My letters of recommendation and resume speak for me. How I behave and perform when I show up for work is all else you're gonna get. If they won't hire me .....

Screw them! All else is absolutely NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS.

As posted above, what if my faith is different?
What if my sports team is different? What if I hunt, or don't hunt? What if I don't have a concealed carry permit, or do? What if I don't like AR15's and discuss that, or do? What if some of the guys I discuss guns with are an over the top 'Survivalist", and I find it amusing but the potential employer doesn't because he/she's a survivalist? And then, what if the fact is, the only gun I have is an old Savage 30-06 that was passed down from my Dad and is dangerous to use, but only a keepsake. I used to have a gun case, but sold it all when my son and daughter showed no interest in hunting. NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS. NOT NOW NOT EVER.

It should be made illegal for a company to ask their employee's to 'friend' them, or even to snoop on FB pages, with penalties so severe that those who have their privacy invaded by employers receive a significant financial damage award.

Hey, let me have a go at the companies financial books you keep. Both sets, preferably the one that's been on the stove the longest.

If you want employees who will be loyal; who find your business an attractive place to work. To be ambassador's for it, and help find other excellent employees for you; I suggest you quit snooping in their private lives instead of coming off like the old USSR KGB.

Employers should not compel employees to friend them so they can keep tabs. I find that repulsive. In fact, I advise everyone I know to be careful with "friending" bosses, supervisors, and even coworkers.

But, I have no problem with denying an applicant after a Google search or looking on Facebook and seeing that they post things that are unflattering or embarrassing to their current employer. Some of the stuff people post is absurd. If I can't trust a person to keep bigoted or slanderous comments off of Facebook next to their own picture, I can't trust them with my name and reputation either.

 

[Spartacavolus]

They thought it was a Krispy Kreme party.

hell, I'd go to. Kid has talent and creativity. And outside of the nose boogage, he's the baddest.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA-V2y7-rLA[/youtube]

 

[ncvol17]

I can't think of one "infamous" player in the past from any school, or even what they did ... 'cept that dude (was it in Florida?) got busted on a scooter, an the pic was hilarious!

Hubert Simpson, Reggie Cobb,Onterrio, et all......:hi:

 

[ncvol17]

It should be made illegal for a company to ask their employee's to 'friend' them, or even to snoop on FB pages, with penalties so severe that those who have their privacy invaded by employers receive a significant financial damage award

Social Network &- privacy is an oxymoron. More people should realize that regardless of age or maturity level of the young.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

It should be made illegal for a company to ask their employee's to 'friend' them, or even to snoop on FB pages, with penalties so severe that those who have their privacy invaded by employers receive a significant financial damage award

Social Network &- privacy is an oxymoron. More people should realize that regardless of age or maturity level of the young.

Of course that's true. It's why I quit FB years ago. What I posted then was for actual friends. Then, some friend of a friend's friend would jump in to the convo. So I messed around with restrictions until I figured FB wasn't worth it. Then I found out just how hard it is (was, I don't know now) to remove my FB presence.

But look at what I did. I posted a rant. I put out there an extreme dislike of of the idea of employers snooping in my life, all of which I feel is true, but only some of which is not just not only impractical, but slides down the slippery slope of just being plain moronic. There IS NO PRIVACY on the web. It is a rant. And folks tend to do that.

If an employer feels that some employee who posted a truthful but "unflattering" remark on an open FB page, should the employee have protection from dismissal? What if, like I did, they posted a rant, and on further consideration, they feel sheepish about some of it?

I still feel that a small business employer needs to get face to face with their own employees to judge their character. Ask the hard questions in person and find out how they feel and determine if there is anything they can do to come to common ground. Employees treated right, with respect and dignity, aren't going to be "unflattering".

An employer who 'snoops' when, (as I think but don't know for sure) folks can check who's been on their page, deserves whatever negative comments they get, and will have employees consider them corpotate control freak fascists. You can not stop employees from having ill will toward you and posting if you deserve it.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

Of course that's true. It's why I quit FB years ago. What I posted then was for actual friends. Then, some friend of a friend's friend would jump in to the convo. So I messed around with restrictions until I figured FB wasn't worth it. Then I found out just how hard it is (was, I don't know now) to remove my FB presence.

But look at what I did. I posted a rant. I put out there an extreme dislike of of the idea of employers snooping in my life, all of which I feel is true, but only some of which is not just not only impractical, but slides down the slippery slope of just being plain moronic. There IS NO PRIVACY on the web. It is a rant. And folks tend to do that.

If an employer feels that some employee who posted a truthful but "unflattering" remark on an open FB page, should the employee have protection from dismissal? What if, like I did, they posted a rant, and on further consideration, they feel sheepish about some of it?

I still feel that a small business employer needs to get face to face with their own employees to judge their character. Ask the hard questions in person and find out how they feel and determine if there is anything they can do to come to common ground. Employees treated right, with respect and dignity, aren't going to be "unflattering".

An employer who 'snoops' when, (as I think but don't know for sure) folks can check who's been on their page, deserves whatever negative comments they get, and will have employees consider them corpotate control freak fascists. You can not stop employees from having ill will toward you and posting if you deserve it.

Employees should only be judged by their work, period! Potential employees should only be judged by their credentials and their work record. What those people do for kicks on Saturday night is the business of NO ONE that they report to at their place of employment.

 

[daj2576]

Of course that's true. It's why I quit FB years ago. What I posted then was for actual friends. Then, some friend of a friend's friend would jump in to the convo. So I messed around with restrictions until I figured FB wasn't worth it. Then I found out just how hard it is (was, I don't know now) to remove my FB presence.

But look at what I did. I posted a rant. I put out there an extreme dislike of of the idea of employers snooping in my life, all of which I feel is true, but only some of which is not just not only impractical, but slides down the slippery slope of just being plain moronic. There IS NO PRIVACY on the web. It is a rant. And folks tend to do that.

If an employer feels that some employee who posted a truthful but "unflattering" remark on an open FB page, should the employee have protection from dismissal? What if, like I did, they posted a rant, and on further consideration, they feel sheepish about some of it?

I still feel that a small business employer needs to get face to face with their own employees to judge their character. Ask the hard questions in person and find out how they feel and determine if there is anything they can do to come to common ground. Employees treated right, with respect and dignity, aren't going to be "unflattering".

An employer who 'snoops' when, (as I think but don't know for sure) folks can check who's been on their page, deserves whatever negative comments they get, and will have employees consider them corpotate control freak fascists. You can not stop employees from having ill will toward you and posting if you deserve it.

So let me ask you this: Say its quitting time on a Friday. You exit your employers building, cross the street and rob a liquor store. Then, you assault a woman in the parking lot. You do this all within view of your boss while wearing a company uniform.

Could your employer fire you for all that non-work related behavior? Is he snooping if he can see you act stupid in plain site?

 

[daj2576]

It should be made illegal for a company to ask their employee's to 'friend' them, or even to snoop on FB pages, with penalties so severe that those who have their privacy invaded by employers receive a significant financial damage award

Social Network &- privacy is an oxymoron. More people should realize that regardless of age or maturity level of the young.

Its baffling to me. People want and scream for privacy, then voluntarily post every act that they do on a free public website. Its electronic and professional Darwinism. If I'm hiring and all candidates are equal, I'm hiring the one with the sense not to publish stupid ish on Facebook. It isn't even that I would care that someone got drunk and smoked a bowl with a dozen hookers on Saturday night. It is that I do care about the decision making ability of the person who would do that and then share it for all the world, including our clients, to see. Especially when they have their employer's name and logo right next to their picture on Facebook.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

So let me ask you this: Say its quitting time on a Friday. You exit your employers building, cross the street and rob a liquor store. Then, you assault a woman in the parking lot. You do this all within view of your boss while wearing a company uniform.

Could your employer fire you for all that non-work related behavior? Is he snooping if he can see you act stupid in plain site?

I know you aren't addressing me here but I did clarify my remarks by saying "as long as it isn't criminal."

 

[daj2576]

I know you aren't addressing me here but I did clarify my remarks by saying "as long as it isn't criminal."

It was more of a rhetorical remark to the conversation in general, but inspired by your comment.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

So let me ask you this: Say its quitting time on a Friday. You exit your employers building, cross the street and rob a liquor store to get your 40 of Old E. Then, you assault a woman in the parking lot. You do this all within view of your boss while wearing a company uniform.

Could your employer fire you for all that non-work related behavior? Is he snooping if he can see you act stupid in plain site?

Well, you know you just made a totally irrelevant bs post just to be confrontational.

Serious criminal activity is not ever to be tolerated. Posting an 'unflattering remark" or even a rant, found by an employer on FB (which is what we're talking about), obviously has nothing to do with that what-so-ever. I maintain that well treated employees who are kept up to date, respected and valued don't post "unflattering" remarks.

As the technical office manager for a company subcontracting a nuclear related job, one time I had over 2000 resumes to review for about 40 slots as we were putting together the office after winning the bid. All as high tech and requiring as high security as you get without having the Oak Ridge L or Q clearances. What I'm saying can be done. I've done it.

For pre-hire; sure, do a standard background check, drug tests, etc. if necessary. Verify all statements on resumes you like, the education claims, the skills acquired etc. Once you've whittled them down, ask for letters of recommendation and get those folks to recommend others not coached up by the candidate and contact them as fast as possible. (Unbelievable how well this works). Only then do an initial interview and as many follow up interviews as necessary get you where you need to be.

Have an open door policy. Listen to them. Respect their words. Where there's smoke, there's fire, and that's not always the employee's fault. Find out what YOU or THEY are doing or not doing to cause it, and deal with it. If it's your business, run it right. If you've made a bad hire and you have to use FB to know it, I can't describe how far behind in the game you are. If you use FB to determine if you want to hire a potential employee, that's your business, but I see that as having poor hiring skills in the first place.

Then, again, if you're one of those corporate tyrants issuing memo after memo, that's too mealy mouthed to deal with potential company issues head on before they get out of control; and use weasel words to justify why it's as bad as it is, and are too scared of face-to-face time with employees and go to FB, you get what you deserve.

Spend Face Time not Face Book time.

 

[daj2576]

Well, you know you just made a totally irrelevant bs post just to be confrontational.

Serious criminal activity is not ever to be tolerated. Posting an 'unflattering remark" or even a rant, found by an employer on FB (which is what we're talking about), obviously has nothing to do with that what-so-ever. I maintain that well treated employees who are kept up to date, respected and valued don't post "unflattering" remarks.

As the technical office manager for a company subcontracting a nuclear related job, one time I had over 2000 resumes to review for about 40 slots as we were putting together the office after winning the bid. All as high tech and requiring as high security as you get without having the Oak Ridge L or Q clearances. What I'm saying can be done. I've done it.

For pre-hire; sure, do a standard background check, drug tests, etc. if necessary. Verify all statements on resumes you like, the education claims, the skills acquired etc. Once you've whittled them down, ask for letters of recommendation and get those folks to recommend others not coached up by the candidate and contact them as fast as possible. (Unbelievable how well this works). Only then do an initial interview and as many follow up interviews as necessary get you where you need to be.

Have an open door policy. Listen to them. Respect their words. Where there's smoke, there's fire, and that's not always the employee's fault. Find out what YOU or THEY are doing or not doing to cause it, and deal with it. If it's your business, run it right. If you've made a bad hire and you have to use FB to know it, I can't describe how far behind in the game you are. If you use FB to determine if you want to hire a potential employee, that's your business, but I see that as having poor hiring skills in the first place.

Then, again, if you're one of those corporate tyrants issuing memo after memo, that's too mealy mouthed to deal with potential company issues head on before they get out of control; and use weasel words to justify why it's as bad as it is, and are too scared of face-to-face time with employees and go to FB, you get what you deserve.

Spend Face Time not Face Book time.

First, there appears to be little harmony of opinions, even in this thread, about what constitutes a fire-able off work offense. My point was to clearly illustrate to even the most strident opponent, that there is a clear line where an employer can absolutely fire you for non work related conduct. To establish a base line for discussion is neither argumentative nor off topic.

Second, you are describing the way that job searches and hiring can be done if given enough resources, and for a very narrow, professional type, of candidate. In fact, your impressive but narrow resume probably precludes you from discussing this so generally. This is about what employers can do, not what employers should do if given a talent pool with a certain base line of intelligence and behavior, and the money and patience to expend vast resources thoroughly following up on over 2000 applicants. You're right, the caliber of employee that most businesses want and cherish is not the type that will post nonsense and drivel to facebook, which leads me to point 3.

Third, I am not in favor of using facebook as a lone tool for culling applicants. What I am in favor of is acknowledging that all things being equal, any employer could use facebook posts as a deciding factor. It is legal as it is public. What I do have a major resistance to is employers who want to harvest an applicants log in information to check up on them, or similarly, to make the employer friend the HR department on facebook so they can keep tabs. That is tyranical and I would hope that at that point the applicant would simply bow out of the search.

My suggestion is this: If the hiring decision is down to a coin toss (and you don't have the resources to conduct a search like you describe) a good source of information could be to look at social network. If you google both and find that one doesn't appear, and the other has a time line filled with posts about disliking some ethnic, religious or other hot-button group, who would you want to hitch your wagon to? The one who is smart enough to stay invisible, or the one who believes they are smart enough that the world needs to be informed of their views about contentious issues on a public forum? If someone would do it on facebook, I don't want them taking up that banner in the break room.

With the job you described you probably don't deal with many employees who must deal with, and rely on, the general public as a customer. In other words, you are insulated from the actual market (opposed to the government subsidized energy or defense markets). If you are in some sort of nuclear related field, your customer is either large corporations or the government, and thus is somewhat insulated from the effect of how these employees off duty problems could effect your bottom line at a local level. It sounds like you have solid hiring tactics if this presumption is correct.

Finally, my point is to caution those who believe that what they post on facebook is private, and that they should be insulated from negative employment actions because of it. If you want to lead a private life, don't post intimate moments on a public website. We got a bit off topic by trying to say how a successful job search can be conducted, without acknowledging the fact that people can be, and are, terminated
(or not even considered for a position) because of social network stupidity. I am a little surprised that someone who seems so interested in taking the time to form personal relationships and to understand people and their motivation on an individual level (opposed to a quick and dirty use of facebook posts to determine the "worth" of someone) is so quick to jump on a short rhetorical question and draw the conclusions that you did.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

The 'baseline' postulation was of such an egregious act, even to the point of possibly necessitating the employer to intervene on behalf of the second victim, call police, appear in court as a witness, .. ah

All employers can incorporate, without great expense, most of those techniques to determine good hires. FB nonpresence could be more meaningful than presence. Not being there ... does that really mean they're wise? Wise about what?

 

[daj2576]

The 'baseline' postulation was of such an egregious act, even to the point of possibly necessitating the employer to intervene on behalf of the second victim, call police, appear in court as a witness, .. ah

All employers can incorporate, without great expense, most of those techniques to determine good hires. FB nonpresence could be more meaningful than presence. Not being there ... does that really mean they're wise? Wise about what?

Exactly. But, you have to start somewhere. Sometimes finding the baseline requires a movement to the ridiculous. So, as we agree on that, let's move on to an event that more closely resembles an actual fact pattern.

For arguments sake, let's say that this is about a very successful investment company with less than five employees. Employee changes his profile picture to that of Adolf Hitler saluting the swastika. This individual was a salesman of sorts who had a number of clients "friended" on facebook. Many were Jewish and complained, some even took their substantial business elsewhere.

Can that situation be remedied by a cup of coffee and a sit down over a desk or is the employer justified in terminating the employee with prejudice?