O'Brien, Sapp reach deals regarding arrests

[LebanonVolunteer]

IMO it does not really matter the charges were dropped or set aside while they try to abide by the law for a set term. They should still be suspended for at least a half IMO. Just because the UT squash squad was able to smooth things over, does not mean the kids should not be held accountable.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

Exactly. But, you have to start somewhere. Sometimes finding the baseline requires a movement to the ridiculous. So, as we agree on that, let's move on to an event that more closely resembles an actual fact pattern.

For arguments sake, let's say that this is about a very successful investment company with less than five employees. Employee changes his profile picture to that of Adolf Hitler saluting the swastika. This individual was a salesman of sorts who had a number of clients "friended" on facebook. Many were Jewish and complained, some even took their substantial business elsewhere.

Can that situation be remedied by a cup of coffee and a sit down over a desk or is the employer justified in terminating the employee with prejudice?

Let's see .. Less than 5 employees.
So it's really small, but handles big bucks.
A 'salesman of sorts' - first off he'd have to have been a licensed financial agent, all states have laws about folks handling other folks money. I doubt savvy investors would use a company who wasn't following the law. So, they're all licensed agents there and he commits another in this series of unbelievable scenarios in that he basically slaps a bunch of his savvy clients in the face then knees them in the groin.

He gone crazy. That's just all there is to it.

Small group like that, you won't have to track FB, the other agents wives will do it for you and you'll know almost as soon as it's done.

Since he gone crazy, yes a cup of coffee and a sit down in the office when he comes in for work is justified to treat him gently: while the men in the white coats are coming to take him away, he-he haw-haw.

Terminate with prejidijudice - ah ... I'd let him live, he is crazy.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

IMO it does not really matter the charges were dropped or set aside while they try to abide by the law for a set term. They should still be suspended for at least a half IMO. Just because the UT squash squad was able to smooth things over, does not mean the kids should not be held accountable.

I doubt they will have to "try" to abide by the law. Actually that's the easy part, unless they are habitual criminals and have to "try" to break the habit.

Which they're not. They're big boys who had a party and let it get out of hand. Happens several times every weekend somewhere all across college-land.

They'll do their community service and abide by the judges' rulings.

I absolutely agree that there needs to be consequences related to the team. Whatever they are is up to bUTch and co.

Should kids who screw up like that be prevented from being a team captain? For how long?

 

[daj2576]

Let's see .. Less than 5 employees.
So it's really small, but handles big bucks.
A 'salesman of sorts' - first off he'd have to have been a licensed financial agent, all states have laws about folks handling other folks money. I doubt savvy investors would use a company who wasn't following the law. So, they're all licensed agents there and he commits another in this series of unbelievable scenarios in that he basically slaps a bunch of his savvy clients in the face then knees them in the groin.

He gone crazy. That's just all there is to it.

Small group like that, you won't have to track FB, the other agents wives will do it for you and you'll know almost as soon as it's done.

Since he gone crazy, yes a cup of coffee and a sit down in the office when he comes in for work is justified to treat him gently: while the men in the white coats are coming to take him away, he-he haw-haw.

Terminate with prejidijudice - ah ... I'd let him live, he is crazy.

I respect your opinion, but it is duplicitous.

You speak of treating people gently and getting to know their personal situation, then default to simple labeling. It isn't just as simple as being crazy, nor is it as outlandish as you would like to believe. Being licensed in any professional field typically doesn't involve a test for political views, or (more importantly) sense of humor (or lack thereof).

Final point: you are totally against using facebook as a tool for any hiring or firing decisions (and go to great lengths to diminish those who might use it), then resort to the same sort of narrow minded treatment of a person that is your same justification of disliking the use of facebook as a tool. Facebook, or other social media, isn't forced upon us. It is used, voluntarily and publicly, and (more often than not) shows others who we see ourselves as being.

I must reiterate: neither facebook nor an online presence (or lack thereof) alone is an indicator of job worthiness. Those tools are individual arrows in a quiver that can be used as a reasonable justification for hiring or termination given a certain atmosphere. Yes, what an employee does when not on the job is important to most employers. The best advice that anyone can give is for any applicant to govern their behavior accordingly.

Interesting discussion.