O'Donnell is such a .... !!

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#176
It's just really strange that of all of the 'doofuses' out there, the ones you pick are the Republican females that are much better looking than the typical elected females. For such irrelevant people, you spend an inordinate amount of time solely on this group. Lonely?
 
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lumberjack4 said:
The fact that you people continue to use Obama's complete lack of qualifications to excuse someone else's complete lack of qualifications makes no sense to me. If you aren't qualified you aren't qualified. Makes no difference if there is a D, R, or TP next to your name.
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Jeez, you don't have to blow a gasket.

One would think you own a dildo factory.

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GAVol said:
Right there is where you totally misunderstand the electorate IMO. The GOP isn't throwing wedge issues out there right now to create fear. They are riding a tidal wave of dissatisfaction. No fear mongering necessary to motivate people to get to the polls in this election.
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If anything, the Dems are the fear party - fear Republicans, fear the Tea Party, fear the rich, fear Fox News, fear man for destroying the planet, fear Wall St, fear insurance companies, fear big business, etc. etc.

They aren't running on any vision other than fear of the opponent. They are suspiciously silent about their own agenda using vague terms at best but running from their own votes on the legislation of the last 2 years.
 
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volinbham said:
If anything, the Dems are the fear party - fear Republicans, fear the Tea Party, fear the rich, fear Fox News, fear man for destroying the planet, fear Wall St, fear insurance companies, fear big business, etc. etc.

They aren't running on any vision other than fear of the opponent. They are suspiciously silent about their own agenda using vague terms at best but running from their own votes on the legislation of the last 2 years.
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This tactic has led them to victories in the last 2 elections, but I suspect finally enough voters may have gotten wise to it.
 
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Fear isn't necessarily a bad thing. Fear of national bankruptcy, fear of gov't control, fear of the confiscation of rights and property, fear of foreign and domestic enemies,... these are all healthy and warranted "fears" right now.
 
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VolBurgers said:
"Why aren't monkeys still evolving in to humans?"

:eek:lol:
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The question has alot more merit than you seem to think.

I watched an interesting video the other day. A genetic scientist was talking about the number and direction of mutations within the genomes of existing species. In humans, each generation passes on about 100 new mutations to the next generation. Less than 1 mutation in 1000 is in any way beneficial... and those are invariably linked to others that are detrimental. IOW's, if the "bad" mutation is ever selected out it will take the good one with it.

Natural selection does not act on the vast majority of these mutations until they are pervasive in the population or a large portion of it. The expression is too subtle to be selected out in reproduction. There are over 6000 known genetic diseases and thousands more that aren't known... and they seem to be increasing.

The long and short of it is that the data points toward ALL species moving inexorably toward extinction... not toward some novel, higher species. Clinging to the notion that the scarce beneficial mutation that miraculously survives natural selection can somehow overcome the mass of bad mutations is like planning to stop a tsunami with a Dixie cup.

So the point you posted is simplistic on the surface... but there is a bigger issue underneath. Where in fact are the countless beneficial mutations needed to carry ANY genome upward? If you find even one then explain how it can ever join with others to effect any kind of real biological change before the bad mutations drive the lne extinct.
 
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#192
If you say something like:
O'Donnell said:
"Why aren't monkeys still evolving in to humans?"
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whether you believe in evolution or not, you might not be the "sharpest tool in the shed," putting it nicely.
 
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sjt18 said:
The question has alot more merit than you seem to think.

I watched an interesting video the other day. A genetic scientist was talking about the number and direction of mutations within the genomes of existing species. In humans, each generation passes on about 100 new mutations to the next generation. Less than 1 mutation in 1000 is in any way beneficial... and those are invariably linked to others that are detrimental. IOW's, if the "bad" mutation is ever selected out it will take the good one with it.

Natural selection does not act on the vast majority of these mutations until they are pervasive in the population or a large portion of it. The expression is too subtle to be selected out in reproduction. There are over 6000 known genetic diseases and thousands more that aren't known... and they seem to be increasing.

The long and short of it is that the data points toward ALL species moving inexorably toward extinction... not toward some novel, higher species. Clinging to the notion that the scarce beneficial mutation that miraculously survives natural selection can somehow overcome the mass of bad mutations is like planning to stop a tsunami with a Dixie cup.

So the point you posted is simplistic on the surface... but there is a bigger issue underneath. Where in fact are the countless beneficial mutations needed to carry ANY genome upward? If you find even one then explain how it can ever join with others to effect any kind of real biological change before the bad mutations drive the lne extinct.
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I'm sure that was exactly her thinking.

That, or "Look, something shiny!"
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm sure that was exactly her thinking.

That, or "Look, something shiny!"
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As long as you have some of the abject idiots in Congress that the Dems have... you really have no leg to stand on.

I STILL can't quite fathom "Senator Al Franken"... I mean the only time he can be taken even a little serious is when he goes off on some blind, angry rant.
 
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Heebs said:
Are you saying that evolution does not exist?
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Evolution in the sense that things have changed over time? Speciated? Yes. That has occurred.

The debate ultimately boils down to one of information.

Is it more reasonable to believe that the genetic codes are the product of an intelligent designer? Or are they a product of a heretofore unidentified natural process by which both genes and the codes self organized and generated enough good mutations at some point in history to overcome the overwhelming flood of bad mutations?

The problem with the Darwinian evolution model is that we have not observed self-organization nor the number of good mutations in nature for molecules to man... ever. Not only does long periods of time not help... it hurts the theory.
 
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Vols378 said:
Genesis 2:7 KJV

And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
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Do you have an opinion on anything or are you just going to keep referencing bible verses?
 
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Looks like the Dems are still pumping in a lot of money in this race for someone who really doesn't matter after all. But seeing how WA, WV, and CT are now swinging, they may have to pull out here.
 
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sjt18 said:
The question has alot more merit than you seem to think.

I watched an interesting video the other day. A genetic scientist was talking about the number and direction of mutations within the genomes of existing species. In humans, each generation passes on about 100 new mutations to the next generation. Less than 1 mutation in 1000 is in any way beneficial... and those are invariably linked to others that are detrimental. IOW's, if the "bad" mutation is ever selected out it will take the good one with it.
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Most of your agurment is invalid due to one major misunderstaning. Most mutations are not bad. Most mutations are neutral. Also bad mutations do not "take good mutations with them." If you disagree, Link to evidence?
sjt18 said:
Natural selection does not act on the vast majority of these mutations until they are pervasive in the population or a large portion of it.
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Also false. Bad mutations are eliminated immediately.

sjt18 said:
The expression is too subtle to be selected out in reproduction.
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If a mutation is neither harmful or helpful, it is neutral.

If you think about it, life has to work this way - mutations (changes in the genetic material) are happening all the time. The average human being has about 50-100 mutations, of which about 3 matter, i.e., they actually change a protein. If the typical mutation were deleterious life would go extinct in short order

sjt18 said:
The long and short of it is that the data points toward ALL species moving inexorably toward extinction... not toward some novel, higher species. Clinging to the notion that the scarce beneficial mutation that miraculously survives natural selection can somehow overcome the mass of bad mutations is like planning to stop a tsunami with a Dixie cup.
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The goal of Natural Selection is not perfection, or "some novel, higher species," it is "good enough." Also why wouldn't a good mutation survive natural selection?
Where in fact are the countless beneficial mutations needed to carry ANY genome upward? If you find even one then explain how it can ever join with others to effect any kind of real biological change before the bad mutations drive the lne extinct.
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There are a few examples of good mutations. It's hard to give specific examples due to various factors. First of all, traits may be favorable or unfavorable, depending upon the environment. Secondly it is not usually known to what extent a trait is genetically fixed and to what extent it reflects a reaction to the environment. Thirdly we don't usually know what genes effect which traits. Moreover a mutation may be favorable in the sense that it permits survival in an unfavorable environment and yet be unfavorable in a better environment. There a few good examples though. Resistance to antibiotics in bacteria, lactose tolerance, sickle cell resistance to malaria, and a few others.


Not sure what you mean by "good mutations joining together."?
 
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