# of people on disability

[volinbham]

JP Morgan did a study and apparently there's been a sharp uptick in the # of people going on disability; particularly mental disability.

Apparently, people are rolling off their UE support onto disability which is virtually permanent.

It also takes them out of the "work force" thus lowering the denominator for UE calculations.

Will have to dig up report.

We are screwed.

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

JP Morgan did a study and apparently there's been a sharp uptick in the # of people going on disability; particularly mental disability.

Apparently, people are rolling off their UE support onto disability which is virtually permanent.

It also takes them out of the "work force" thus lowering the denominator for UE calculations.

Will have to dig up report.

We are screwed.

Forgive me if I don't see the correlation between UE and disability. Again, a few cases if misuse does not invalidate the good of the program.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Forgive me if I don't see the correlation between UE and disability. Again, a few cases if misuse does not invalidate the good of the program.

Few?

 

[utvolpj]

Forgive me if I don't see the correlation between UE and disability. Again, a few cases if misuse does not invalidate the good of the program.

I can't see any good in a 2 year handout for the unemployed. Also the disability part is abused very often

It also takes them out of the "work force" thus lowering the denominator for UE calculations.

wait are you saying this number can be manipulated? I'm shocked

 

[OrangeEmpire]

I can't see any good in a 2 year handout for the unemployed. Also the disability part is abused very often

Backbone of the economy

 

[Lexvol]

Forgive me if I don't see the correlation between UE and disability. Again, a few cases if misuse does not invalidate the good of the program.

Once people realize they can live a middle class lifestyle without punching a clock...it provides more incentive to leave the work force enitrely..and focus on their ADD, depression or addiction full time!

Once they leave the workforce they are technically not counted among the unemployed. That is what I'm getting from this, anyway.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Once people realize they can live a middle class lifestyle without punching a clock...it provides more incentive to leave the work force enitrely..and focus their ADD, depression or addiction full time!

Once they leave the workforce they are technically not counted among the unemployed. That is what I'm getting from this, anyway.

Plus one

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

I can't see any good in a 2 year handout for the unemployed. Also the disability part is abused very often

What would you rather have? There is going to be abuse of the system, and it bothers me too. But people who actually need it would be effed if it was taken away.

 

[utvolpj]

What would you rather have? There is going to be abuse of the system, and it bothers me too. But people who actually need it would be effed if it was taken away.

turn to family
turn to friends
turn to charities

only after every option is exhausted should the govt be considered

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

Once people realize they can live a middle class lifestyle without punching a clock...it provides more incentive to leave the work force enitrely..and focus on their ADD, depression or addiction full time!

Once they leave the workforce they are technically not counted among the unemployed. That is what I'm getting from this, anyway.

Do you think the number of those people outweigh the number of people who actually need it in such a way that the welfare system is a burden?

 

[Lexvol]

What would you rather have? There is going to be abuse of the system, and it bothers me too. But people who actually need it would be effed if it was taken away.

...or they would be forced to take a job below their pay grade rather than sucking off the govt tit. It isn't the govt's job to make sure an employee is paid "what they are worth". It is all about incentive to work.

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

turn to family
turn to friends
turn to charities

only after every option is exhausted should the govt be considered

In a good economy, sure. In a recession, most everybody hurts.

 

[T-TownVol]

What would you rather have? There is going to be abuse of the system, and it bothers me too. But people who actually need it would be effed if it was taken away.

Ignorant comment.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

...or they would be forced to take a job below their pay grade rather than sucking off the govt tit. It isn't the govt's job to make sure an employee is paid "what they are worth". It is all about incentive to work.

This

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

Ignorant comment.

Explain.

 

[Lexvol]

Do you think the number of those people outweigh the number of people who actually need it in such a way that the welfare system is a burden?

I think it is cause for concern. It isn't hard enough to get disability for a mental health issue.

I think that it needs to be accurately noted and reported by the govt. If unemployment rates are falling, but we still have as many on the govt tit, then that needs to be adequately explained to those who are paying the bill.

 

[utvolpj]

In a good economy, sure. In a recession, most everybody hurts.

most everybody? Not really but isn't that the time a community should come together? If the govt took less money and that was given to local charities instead would we get a better outcome?

I would contend people are less likely to take unnecessary handouts when there is a face associated with the money. That doesn't happen when you get a govt check

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

I think it is cause for concern. It isn't hard enough to get disability for a mental health issue.

I think that it needs to be accurately noted and reported by the govt. If unemployment rates are falling, but we still have as many on the govt tit, then that needs to be adequately explained to those who are paying the bill.

Okay, I can agree with that. It definitely needs an overhaul, but to do away with it completely would be the wrong thing to do.

 

[MG1968]

In a good economy, sure. In a recession, most everybody hurts.

that's the problem, this administration keeps telling us that the economy is getting better when it clearly isn't

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

most everybody? Not really but isn't that the time a community should come together? If the govt took less money and that was given to local charities instead would we get a better outcome?

I would contend people are less likely to take unnecessary handouts when there is a face associated with the money. That doesn't happen when you get a govt check

Fair enough.

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

that's the problem, this administration keeps telling us that the economy is getting better when it clearly isn't

It is getting better, albeit slowly. It certaintly isn't getting any worse IMO

 

[T-TownVol]

Explain.

Straw argument to say that stopping the cheaters will prevent the ones that actually need help from getting it. Don't fall for the talking points.

 

[Lexvol]

Okay, I can agree with that. It definitely needs an overhaul, but to do away with it completely would be the wrong thing to do.

I'm all for a safety net. I was between jobs for about six weeks this year. I never drew unemployment because we had properly prepared for the situation. The accountant from my previous employer told me that she was filing papers that would allow me to draw if I'd apply. When I asked her what I would be eligible to net from the govt...I couldn't believe it.

I had worked my butt off for the last three years. Very little vacation ect. The payout would have been enough to make my house payment every month with enough $$ left over for Dish and strippers. If my wife was working (she has an advanced degree but has stayed home with the kids for about six years now) I would have had absolutely 0 incentive to get back to work. I could have sat on my ass for two years without taking any hits to my lifestyle. That is just wrong.

 

[MG1968]

It is getting better, albeit slowly. It certaintly isn't getting any worse IMO

your opinion doesn't reflect reality, take a look at the real unemployment numbers then add to that the number of people who have used up their 99 weeks of UE and are now drawing SSI.

it's staggering

 

[T-TownVol]

I'm all for a safety net. I was between jobs for about six weeks this year. I never drew unemployment because we had properly prepared for the situation. The accountant from my previous employer told me that she was filing papers that would allow me to draw if I'd apply. When I asked her what I would be eligible to net from the govt...I couldn't believe it.

I had worked my butt off for the last three years. Very little vacation ect. The payout would have been enough to make my house payment every month with enough $$ left over for Dish and strippers. If my wife was working (she has an advanced degree but has stayed home with the kids for about six years now) I would have had absolutely 0 incentive to get back to work. I could have sat on my ass for two years without taking any hits to my lifestyle. That is just wrong.

It is called buying votes.