Of Tennessee's Last 5 B-Ball Coaches, Which would you rather have....

Which Coach would you rather have?

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#51
#51
IPorange said:
Try looking at the circumstances of personnel when looking at records. Athletes matter a great deal. With this Rosetta stone in mind, perhaps you can decipher what the rest of us "anti-orange colored glass wearers" are talking about in regards to the condition of the UT program when O'Neill arrived versus when he left, as well as why the road will be difficult for him next year at USC.

I do read your posts, against my better judgement. It's kind of like how I check out the astrology page in the paper, even though I think all that stuff is crap.
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I never doubted that the UT program Sucked Out Loud the season(s) before his arrival. I was privileged enough to be at one of the 5 wins the previous season. I'm fully aware. However, I am not only referring to Tennessee. Check out Northwestern before and during his reign there. The Arizona tourney appearance was handed to him by the NCAA, despite an NIT like season. He even bombed in the NBA. With that said, I would gladly take O'Neill over the likes of Wade, Buzz or Jerry. But whether I like him or not, I'd rather have Bruce. Bruce put the team back on the map and he deserves to stay until he begins an O'Neill-like decline.
 
#52
#52
emainvol said:
Wow, so a long-time head coach quits a team days before the season starts, a new guy takes over and is only able to lead them to the NCAA tournament and win one less game than the long time coach? That's sub-par right there.
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The fact that Bayless and Hill were varying degrees of physically lame all season also is irrelevant. I'm sure that didn't hurt the record.
 
#53
#53
hatvol96 said:
9-15
6-20
12-15
9-18
8-19
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Those are Tex Winter's records at Northwestern. He must be awful. KO had a winning season there and made one of four NIT appearances in the history of the program. Whatever happened to Winter? There's no way a guy who struggled at Northwestern could go on to any success.
 
#56
#56
emainvol said:
Wow, so a long-time head coach quits a team days before the season starts, a new guy takes over and is only able to lead them to the NCAA tournament and win one less game than the long time coach? That's sub-par right there.
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By Arizona's standards, yes. Thats sub-par.

You conveniently left out the fact that O'Neill had 3 more games that year to play with than Lute's final year. 34 games to Lute's 31. The only time In the past 25 or so years that Zona has lost at least 15 games was Olson's first or second year. Not quite sure which. But that was early 1980's.

So....YES...that is subpar.
 
#57
#57
PandamoniumReigns said:
By Arizona's standards, yes. Thats sub-par.

You conveniently left out the fact that O'Neill had 3 more games that year to play with than Lute's final year. 34 games to Lute's 31. The only time In the past 25 or so years that Zona has lost at least 15 games was Olson's first or second year. Not quite sure which. But that was early 1980's.

So....YES...that is subpar.
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No it's not, and if you can't see that based on all the factors that surrounded Kevin O'Neill's brief tenure there, you should really consider analyzing a sport that you know something about.
 
#58
#58
And for the record Pandemonium, I think what got Arizona into the tournament that year was that 2 ranked SOS.
 
#59
#59
hatvol96 said:
Those are Tex Winter's records at Northwestern. He must be awful. KO had a winning season there and made one of four NIT appearances in the history of the program. Whatever happened to Winter? There's no way a guy who struggled at Northwestern could go on to any success.
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I'm well aware of the numbers you posted. I was hoping no one would reference and ask you what they were, since that is precisely what you were baiting for.

5-25 - I'm sure you know this stat as well.

And who said he won't go any to any success.
I've only stated that his past "achievements" don't really warrant the job's he has been receiving.

I actually hope he has tremendous success. He was a Vol, and perhaps may still be one if DICKey wasn't here. I just do not see it happening.
 
#61
#61
emainvol said:
No it's not, and if you can't see that based on all the factors that surrounded Kevin O'Neill's brief tenure there, you should really consider analyzing a sport that you know something about.
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Usc hires kevin o'neill!!! - GOAZCATS.com Message Board

Tell me what Arizona fans are thinking. If that was a "Good" season, then I certainly am not seeing it.
I'll admit...i've only made it through 4 pages on the Thread, but he was and is not liked.

So - I see your point, however by Arizona Standards, that was sub-par. Zona fans agree.
 
#62
#62
hatvol96 said:
No, it was their deal with the Trilateral Commission. Get with the program.
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Hat, just curious about your thoughts on selby lately. I know you're not a proponent, but there's no denial that he has been impressing everyone in recent tournaments by his prowess on the court.

I feel like I know the response, in that his character is the issue, jw.
 
#63
#63
VOLS85 said:
Hat, just curious about your thoughts on selby lately. I know you're not a proponent, but there's no denial that he has been impressing everyone in recent tournaments by his prowess on the court.

I feel like I know the response, in that his character is the issue, jw.
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He certainly played in Charlottesville this past weekend. If he grows up, Tennessee has one of the 15 best players in the class.
 
#66
#66
hatvol96 said:
He certainly played in Charlottesville this past weekend. If he grows up, Tennessee has one of the 15 best players in the class.
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The growing up part is my only concern...I'm not sure the details of him changing high schools, but that puts a seed of doubt in there.

I think he'll be great, and i'm excited to see him in person, just curious on your take now that there have been more reports.
 
#67
#67
VOLS85 said:
The growing up part is my only concern...I'm not sure the details of him changing high schools, but that puts a seed of doubt in there.

I think he'll be great, and i'm excited to see him in person, just curious on your take now that there have been more reports.
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In Selby's defense, DeMatha runs a really no nonsense program. I'll put it this way: I remember what I was like in high school and I'm confident I would have run afoul of the rules there on a daily basis.
 
#68
#68
hatvol96 said:
In Selby's defense, DeMatha runs a really no nonsense program. I'll put it this way: I remember what I was like in high school and I'm confident I would have run afoul of the rules there on a daily basis.
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Fair enough, thanks. I'm just waiting for Pearl's first home run recruit and I hope he's it. I know we thought Hopson would be that (and by rankings he was), but he came in too lean and looked out of place for the first half of the season.
 
#70
#70
Winning at a high level keeps the seats filled. If Pearl can't maintain winning at a high level, the easy business decision will change.
 
#71
#71
hatvol96 said:
Illness. The coaching staff was sick of him.
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Actually, nobody really knows for sure why he left. Some have speculated grades. Some have speculated attitude problems / team rule violations. Some have speculated that he just didn't like it there generally. Or he didn't like having to commute from East Baltimore to Dematha (a hike, by any account). No definitive answers have been given.

His team this year, Lake Clifton, is going to be really really good. I hate that I have to drive all the way up to b-more to see him play, rather than five miles to see him play at Dematha. But I will make the trip once.
 
#73
#73
O'neil games would be in the 90 point range combined where Pearl is a way faster, fan pleasing product. I liked KO but would rather watch a UT basketball now than then. He would be second followed by Green.
 
#74
#74
kidbourbon said:
I disagree on this. I just put this in another post, but if I am the UT AD, Pearl is my guy and it is an easy business decision. Love him or hate him, Pearl keeps the seats filled.
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Again, KO can win tourney games. Pearl can't.
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#75
#75
NCAA D-1 Tournament Records

Kevin O'Neill(12 years) - 2-3
Bruce Pearl(8 years) - 7-6

Ahh yes, one more thing; Pearl has 6 appearances in the NCAA Tournament, O'Neill has made 3.
 
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