Offense

[volfanIND]

Some days I have to refrain myself from writing too much on this board. I can't today. People need to do their research and don't go by what someone has posted on a message board as truth.

Geno's offense is simple people, and it's the same offense he has ran for 9 championships. This is the sad part. Geno actually host coach's clinics and teaches a lot, and in these clinic's, he teach's his offensive scheme.
Geno Auriemma: Building the Perfect Offense - Basketball -- Championship Productions, Inc.

He even teaches how to run a zone offense. Can somebody give a copy to CHW?
Geno Auriemma: The Simplified Zone Offense - Basketball -- Championship Productions, Inc.

Shoot, even Bob Knight teaches how to beat a zone. Play close attention to the sample clip @ the 1:17 mark, it's just brilliant, 8 simple words.
Zone Offense Strategies - Basketball -- Championship Productions, Inc.

It's sad when their are so many options for our coaching staff on improving our offense, and yet they continue to produce the same product each game. A good leader is never standing alone, they ask for and accept help along the way. Good leaders know they can’t do it all themselves, and that even the strongest person needs support.

"No man is an Island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the Continent, a part of the main."

 

[VOL720]

Some days I have to refrain myself from writing too much on this board. I can't today. People need to do their research and don't go by what someone has posted on a message board as truth.

Geno's offense is simple people, and it's the same offense he has ran for 9 championships. This is the sad part. Geno actually host coach's clinics and teaches a lot, and in these clinic's, he teach's his offensive scheme.
Geno Auriemma: Building the Perfect Offense - Basketball -- Championship Productions, Inc.

He even teaches how to run a zone offense. Can somebody give a copy to CHW?
Geno Auriemma: The Simplified Zone Offense - Basketball -- Championship Productions, Inc.

Shoot, even Bob Knight teaches how to beat a zone. Play close attention to the sample clip @ the 1:17 mark, it's just brilliant, 8 simple words.
Zone Offense Strategies - Basketball -- Championship Productions, Inc.

It's sad when their are so many options for our coaching staff on improving our offense, and yet they continue to produce the same product each game. A good leader is never standing alone, they ask for and accept help along the way. Good leaders know they can’t do it all themselves, and that even the strongest person needs support.

"No man is an Island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the Continent, a part of the main."

Great post! Hopefully, Holly will take some a serious look at the offense this off-season.

 

[Pat4life]

Some days I have to refrain myself from writing too much on this board. I can't today. People need to do their research and don't go by what someone has posted on a message board as truth.

Geno's offense is simple people, and it's the same offense he has ran for 9 championships. This is the sad part. Geno actually host coach's clinics and teaches a lot, and in these clinic's, he teach's his offensive scheme.
Geno Auriemma: Building the Perfect Offense - Basketball -- Championship Productions, Inc.

He even teaches how to run a zone offense. Can somebody give a copy to CHW?
Geno Auriemma: The Simplified Zone Offense - Basketball -- Championship Productions, Inc.

Shoot, even Bob Knight teaches how to beat a zone. Play close attention to the sample clip @ the 1:17 mark, it's just brilliant, 8 simple words.
Zone Offense Strategies - Basketball -- Championship Productions, Inc.

It's sad when their are so many options for our coaching staff on improving our offense, and yet they continue to produce the same product each game. A good leader is never standing alone, they ask for and accept help along the way. Good leaders know they can’t do it all themselves, and that even the strongest person needs support.

"No man is an Island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the Continent, a part of the main."

I bet the goal for all those "offenses", which there is only one offense truly, which is putting the ball in the basket you might run plays or sets...ijs

But come on now, Geno has his pick of the top players in the country, when he didn't Uconn struggled like any other program, especiallly when had young or inexperienced guards. wutevalol

Every coach in America teaches that, but hey the players have to run it. ijs wuteva.

 

[VOL720]

I bet the goal for all those "offenses", which there is only one offense truly, which is putting the ball in the basket you might run plays or sets...ijs

But come on now, Geno has his pick of the top players in the country, when he didn't Uconn struggled like any other program, especiallly when had young or inexperienced guards. wutevalol

Every coach in America teaches that, but hey the players have to run it. ijs wuteva.

We have struggled with JR/SR experienced guards. Sugarcoat it however you want to, but Holly needs to make offense a priority just as she do defense and rebounding. Compared to last season, both the defense and rebounding has not been at the Lady Vols standard either this season. I credit the lack of defense and rebounding to players playing bigger roles and inexperience, but the offense has always been hard to look at. Time for an upgrade.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Holly always says the first thing to winning is a strong defense. She also insists on getting the ball down low for easy baskets. This is all fine and good, but she keeps her only consistent 3 point shooter on the bench because of over emphasis on defense.

It is good to get easy buckets down low, but the lack of outside shooters keeps opponents double and triple teaming the bigs. This is the major reason the team turns the ball over so much. A 3 point shooter is needed to loosen up the inside, but she is on the bench because of the emphasis on defense. Keep doing the same thing and the result is the same.

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there is a statement: ... Offense wins games, defense wins championships.

this is why we coaches stress practicing offense during the season and working on D in the post-season.

 

[BruceInLouisville]

But Pat won back to back titles in 2007 and 2008 with her philosophy.

Here's the deal: as much as we want to deny it, Geno and UConn have taken the women's game to another level. I've watched his teams in person multiple times over the past few years, and they are disciplined and well-coached. Every player knows their roles, the offense runs like a machine, and if you leave someone open the ball gets there and goes up before you can recover.

Defense, rebounding, and transition worked when the women's teams were less mature, as a rule. It will still work, but if you can't get a runout, then you have to have a decent offense to win. Tennessee's defense is still very good (for the most part), and their rebounding is medium-to-good (except for allowing too many offensive rebounds). But the offense is too dependent on individual play, and not enough on ball movement, screens, good cuts, and so on.

I think if the Pat Summitt of 2000 were coaching this team, they would be tougher on defense and the boards, and would have more spine in close games. But unless she changed her style, the offense would not be good enough to succeed in today's game.

Of course, as fierce a competitor as she was/is, I suspect she would have figured that out, and shifted her approach to include better offense.

Too long a post; suffice it to say that CPS of 2000 would win some more in today's game, but not a FF. If we had a CPS of 2016, she would have adapted, and we would be in a different place. My opinion.

 

[Vols4life]

I bet the goal for all those "offenses", which there is only one offense truly, which is putting the ball in the basket you might run plays or sets...ijs

But come on now, Geno has his pick of the top players in the country, when he didn't Uconn struggled like any other program, especiallly when had young or inexperienced guards. wutevalol

Every coach in America teaches that, but hey the players have to run it. ijs wuteva.

Haha UCONN struggling??? Go back and look at their history from about 89 I belive through now

 

[governmentmule]

I wouldn't tell her anything. I'll ask her what kind of Offense Tennessee runs? Why does this team struggles in the half-court? What are her plans to address these offensive issues? Players need to get in the gym is not a valid answer. Holly needs to be ask tough question. All of Tennessee affiliated reporters or media always protect Holly. They never ask her questions the fans want to know. I bet if anyone ask her what offense does Tennessee runs, she'll struggle to answer.

we all know she is never going to be a great or even decent interview,i don't see that ever changing myself

 

[PointGuard]

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there is a statement: ... Offense wins games, defense wins championships.

this is why we coaches stress practicing offense during the season and working on D in the post-season.

No working on D until post season? Unless I'm misreading your post, this is exactly the reason there exists no post season for approx. 280 of the approx 340 Div I teams; and, an insignificant post season for 48 of the 64 teams who do achieve a NCAA post season.

The SEC brand of basketball just doesn't hack it anymore. While SEC teams are still the darlings of the selection committee based on history, other than SCar last year who has made the FF since ---- well almost forever?

 

[PointGuard]

I bet the goal for all those "offenses", which there is only one offense truly, which is putting the ball in the basket you might run plays or sets...ijs

But come on now, Geno has his pick of the top players in the country, when he didn't Uconn struggled like any other program, especiallly when had young or inexperienced guards. wutevalol

Every coach in America teaches that, but hey the players have to run it. ijs wuteva.

I think you have your facts wrong! The bolded statement in your post is a myth perpetuated by teams that don't have the ability/won't make the effort to develop their recruited talent (or in the Vols case transferred-in talent)

Look at the distribution McD' AA's recruited over top teams over recent years. If you look at that data you'll revise your opinion.

Actually, just focus on the Vols transfer-in, DD. Who has developed her? Is she a really good raw talent? You bet!. But look at her stats. They are exactly the same as they were in HS.

Who at NC was going to groom her? Who groomed her this past year? Who has worked on her prima dona attitude. Look at the pouting that goes on. Who on the Lady Vols team can run the floor for 40 minutes. This team isn't even in the physical shape of the elite teams.

The WCBB basketball world has passed the Lady Vols, by. Until someone at the top at UT recognizes that and chooses to restore this team to greatness you're looking at a destined to be a "decent" team and downward from there especially as the lack-of-recruiting effects kick in.

 

[Hoya Saxa]

No working on D until post season? Unless I'm misreading your post, this is exactly the reason there exists no post season for approx. 280 of the approx 340 Div I teams; and, an insignificant post season for 48 of the 64 teams who do achieve a NCAA post season.

A lot more teams than that qualify for the post season. The NCAA takes 64 (although only about 6 or 7 pass the eye test this year). The WNIT takes the next 64 for their tournament (it's getting pretty ugly here). Then the Women's Basketball Invitational (WBI) takes the next 16 (only Mom, Dad, and Grandma are watching at this level). So 144 women's teams will play. That's almost half. I think the men have four tournaments, but I don't know of a fourth for the women.

 

[Coach Jumper]

No working on D until post season? Unless I'm misreading your post, this is exactly the reason there exists no post season for approx. 280 of the approx 340 Div I teams; and, an insignificant post season for 48 of the 64 teams who do achieve a NCAA post season.

The SEC brand of basketball just doesn't hack it anymore. While SEC teams are still the darlings of the selection committee based on history, other than SCar last year who has made the FF since ---- well almost forever?

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Come on PG... offense wins games, defense wins championships and tight games.

yesterday, RB said to his team at the 2 min 60-59 score mark; "defend the drive". He didn't say score more than them, he said defend the drive he said this to them verbally 3 times.... . .in the post season, defense, and especially in this type of game, defense wins it.

There are several drills where defense can be practiced as offense during the season,,,( 3 on 2, 2 on 1, 9 or 11-man, 3 or 5 man weave into a 3 on 2 or 2 on 1 finish..etc...) so,defense is practiced... It is just more emphasized in season-ending tourneys and close games.

in the pre and mid season, I emphasize in my practices scoring sets, and individual scoring moves in individual teachings... but towards the end of the season, I should have my offense proficient and be more focused on defense. Since, the teams you play in tourneys gets significantly higher as you progress thorough the ranks, it becomes less a competition of scoring and more a competition of keeping them from scoring.

I give UT a better than 60% chance to win today. Fatigue may factor in a little. But with a bunch of 19-22 year old young men, it shouldn't... why i say this,,, go to O.R.'s community center and sit and watch those gym rats play 3-4-5, and more games in a row as the winner holds court... If those lesser trained athletes can do this daily, surely the steeds we have can do that as well.

 

[Pat4life]

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I think you have your facts wrong! The bolded statement in your post is a myth perpetuated by teams that don't have the ability/won't make the effort to develop their recruited talent (or in the Vols case transferred-in talent)

Look at the distribution McD' AA's recruited over top teams over recent years. If you look at that data you'll revise your opinion.

Actually, just focus on the Vols transfer-in, DD. Who has developed her? Is she a really good raw talent? You bet!. But look at her stats. They are exactly the same as they were in HS.

Who at NC was going to groom her? Who groomed her this past year? Who has worked on her prima dona attitude. Look at the pouting that goes on. Who on the Lady Vols team can run the floor for 40 minutes. This team isn't even in the physical shape of the elite teams.

The WCBB basketball world has passed the Lady Vols, by. Until someone at the top at UT recognizes that and chooses to restore this team to greatness you're looking at a destined to be a "decent" team and downward from there especially as the lack-of-recruiting effects kick in.

Dat was a whole lot of nothin. Why post that? Why did I have to read that? wuteva.

 

[Coach Jumper]

[/B]

Actually, just focus on the Vols transfer-in, DD. Who has developed her? Is she a really good raw talent? You bet!. But look at her stats. They are exactly the same as they were in HS. . . . Who at NC was going to groom her? Who groomed her this past year? Who has worked on her prima dona attitude. Look at the pouting that goes on. Who on the Lady Vols team can run the floor for 40 minutes. This team isn't even in the physical shape of the elite teams. . . .The WCBB basketball world has passed the Lady Vols, by. Until someone at the top at UT recognizes that and chooses to restore this team to greatness you're looking at a destined to be a "decent" team and downward from there especially as the lack-of-recruiting effects kick in.

It ain't the car son, its the driver.

I saw DD for two year in Atlanta. Several times. . . What has become of this kid is pure ol bad luck in choices... She went to Hatcher thinking she would be able to let a team be built around her... Then she came to UT to get better coaching...BAD luck. Hell, I'd be jutting out my bottom lip too.

WCBB hasn't passed us by. We have several of its most coveted players. How many teams covet our coach?

re-read that last question folks.
It's something to think about.

We are the U of Tennessee....Would Chattanooga trade Holly Warlick for Jim Foster?

 

[PointGuard]

It ain't the car son, its the driver.
I saw DD for two year in Atlanta. Several times. . . What has become of this kid is pure ol bad luck in choices... She went to Hatcher thinking she would be able to let a team be built around her... Then she came to UT to get better coaching...BAD luck. Hell, I'd be jutting out my bottom lip too.

WCBB hasn't passed us by. We have several of its most coveted players. How many teams covet our coach?

re-read that last question folks.
It's something to think about.

We are the U of Tennessee....Would Chattanooga trade Holly Warlick for Jim Foster?

The source of DD's "bad luck" rests right at her feet. Her "luck" was she recruited her friends and went to NC with the intent of being the team.... an uncoached team. She didn't want to be coached then: and, at least through most of this season she didn't want to be at UT.

Holly did the right thing and benched her. Her Dad, making matters worse, tweeted inappropriately... he since apologized" Maybe that, in it's own way, actually helped because whatever went on behind the scenes after that tweet did bring some cohesiveness and DD contributed in a more positive manner. Relative speaking, that was apparent in the limited SEC post season play

I repeat, IMO, DD is not a great player. She is a great raw talent with an attitude. Great players have great team attitudes, share the ball on offense (assists) play intense defense, never take a play off, go 100% after loose balls., and have a lot of positive intangibles. Great players don't pout or sulk sulk on the court or in post game interviews....

A great player is efficient.... Volume shooters are not great players. Using the same example as before to have to put up 16 shots to score 14 points is not a great player.

We can agree to disagree.... IMO WCBB has passed UT by. WCBB has passed all of the SEC team by. The best, SEC team, SCar doesn't have that great an offense either. Scoring 55 points is not a great team. The SEC stats are there for the looking.

It seems we do agree that Holly is not the right coach for the job.

With respect to Foster he is a very good coach. He is not an elite coach. He has how many NC rings? Got to how many FF $'s, elite 8's, sweet 16's. How many times have his teams not made the NCAA tournament? I want this team restored to greatness.... not a borderline Top 25 team.

I'll let the "son" remark slide,.... this time

 

[PointGuard]

Dat was a whole lot of nothin. Why post that? Why did I have to read that? wuteva.

I don't know...Why did you read it. You posted... I replied. That's what people do on forums.

When people make unfounded, factless statements.... the door is opened for rebuttals. Did you check those recruiting facts as I suggested? UConn gets a its share of top recruits as the other elite teams, and some not elite teams such as the Lady Vols. It's what those coaches do with them that make the difference.

Recruit ranking wise, UT got its fair share too. The results for this past seasons' play for both UT and UConn are in the record book. How do the Lady Vols stack up?

If you can watch a Lady Vol game and then a UConn game and ascribe the difference in quality of play to "Geno gets all the best players" then there is little rational discussion opportunity available. But, hey, there are a ton of SEC coaches who say the same thing. And that speaks to the sorry state of WCBB.... lazy coaches who can't even get their teams in physical shape to run for 40 minutes with a UConn. Believing that UConn's success is a result of only Geno getting the best players doesn't make you, or like-minded SEC coaches, bad people. It makes those coaches clueless, IMO. It's OK for fans to be clueless... just not Div I WCBB coaches.

UConn's big 3, Stewart, Jefferson and Tuck got a lot better over 4 seasons in each and every aspect of their game. Chalk that up to the coaching . Please, give me the names of 3 Lady Vol players who have improved at UT over the same period.

I've never thought the "Geno jealousy speak" casts a favorable shadow over Lady Vol fans. The fact that the Lady Vols have never won a NC when playing against UConn should not cause the comments made by many fans.

If I reply to any of your post that make factless statements, you have no need to read it.

Have a nice day

 

[alexvol]

I believe that Geno could take the Lady Vols to final Four right now because he could whip this team into shape and have a great offensive system.Hell he might even beat his own team with the talent the Lady Vols have.

 

[Rixxx]

Alex, I am sure that Geno could take this team further than HW has. However, when I hear that the team is loaded with talent, I stop to think, what talent? My definition of talent in WCBB is skillful in all things basketball. I am sorry, but I just don't see that with this team.
A previous poster mentioned that DD is raw talent. I totally agree. I am a fan of Uconn and I would use Breanna Stewart as an example of basketball talent, in all things.

 

[Coach Jumper]

...A great player is efficient.... Volume shooters are not great players. Using the same example as before to have to put up 16 shots to score 14 points is not a great player.

It seems we do agree that Holly is not the right coach for the job.

Foster

I'll let the "son" remark slide,.... this time[/QUOTE]

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Sorry bout the son thing.

re volume: Many and i do mean many a time did I see DD make a perfect pass or feed that should have been shot, only to have it thrust back to her with the shot clock under 8... in sequences like that she has to force one-on-ones or movement-shooting. (e.g... Floaters, runners, fades, etc)... It's one mindset and occurrence, to make the decision on your own to initiate an offensive move; it is purely another mind-set to HAVE to go one on one or to HAVE to shoot a moving shot (touch-shot). . . It is fortunate we have a person like DD sho can shoot this variety. . . Most girls aren't well taught in mechanics. The only way you can shoot a touch-shot ( a body in motion shot),,, is if you shoot your shot from above the temple. If you shoulder or belly shot, a fade, floater, etc is terribly off-balance.

The reason the shooters won't take the shots in mental: they "think" they may be publicly scorn or yelled at, for a shot... (There's no thinking in basketball). :lolabove:

Holly IS the reason for the season. If an Alpha role model doesn't come into the staff next year, it will get worse ... The point i was making with Foster... Look at what he has done to make the elite program of the SOUCON, even more elite. . . Imagine what a good coach could do with these nationally ranked recruits HW has... If I am compelled to think I could have done a better job, double how i feel if we had a coach who seems to be over-achieving got the chance. I would trade Foster for Warlick right now!.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Alex, I am sure that Geno could take this team further than HW has. However, when I hear that the team is loaded with talent, I stop to think, what talent? My definition of talent in WCBB is skillful in all things basketball. I am sorry, but I just don't see that with this team.
A previous poster mentioned that DD is raw talent. I totally agree. I am a fan of Uconn and I would use Breanna Stewart as an example of basketball talent, in all things.

Breanna Stewart got better, especially defensively, in college.

 

[PineyBluff Vol]

Once our guard play improve you'll see a better offense, until that happens. Welp!

When will they open their eyes.

 

[PointGuard]

...A great player is efficient.... Volume shooters are not great players. Using the same example as before to have to put up 16 shots to score 14 points is not a great player.

It seems we do agree that Holly is not the right coach for the job.

Foster

I'll let the "son" remark slide,.... this time

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Sorry bout the son thing.

re volume: Many and i do mean many a time did I see DD make a perfect pass or feed that should have been shot, only to have it thrust back to her with the shot clock under 8... in sequences like that she has to force one-on-ones or movement-shooting. (e.g... Floaters, runners, fades, etc)... It's one mindset and occurrence, to make the decision on your own to initiate an offensive move; it is purely another mind-set to HAVE to go one on one or to HAVE to shoot a moving shot (touch-shot). . . It is fortunate we have a person like DD sho can shoot this variety. . . Most girls aren't well taught in mechanics. The only way you can shoot a touch-shot ( a body in motion shot),,, is if you shoot your shot from above the temple. If you shoulder or belly shot, a fade, floater, etc is terribly off-balance.

The reason the shooters won't take the shots in mental: they "think" they may be publicly scorn or yelled at, for a shot... (There's no thinking in basketball). :lolabove:

Holly IS the reason for the season. If an Alpha role model doesn't come into the staff next year, it will get worse ... The point i was making with Foster... Look at what he has done to make the elite program of the SOUCON, even more elite. . . Imagine what a good coach could do with these nationally ranked recruits HW has... If I am compelled to think I could have done a better job, double how i feel if we had a coach who seems to be over-achieving got the chance. I would trade Foster for Warlick right now!.[/QUOTE]

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Your apology is accepted, I appreciate your offering it up.

Thanks

 

[PointGuard]

DD's stats are the same right now as in high school. Check it out. She is a high volume shooter and, relatively, a low scorer. She showboats on her passes which is a partial contributor her very high turnover rate (regular season - pre post season SEC tournament) turnovers.

When you net out the turnovers from 14 or so points from too many shots taken there is the sound of sizzle to a lot of fans; but, the reality is there is no steak on the table.

Without a radical turnaround, I don't see anything different coming from DD (if she doesn't transfer as has been suggested). Without coaching input her stat line will read the same when she graduates, IMO. Unimpressive relative to the raw talent she possess.

 

[Ladyvol777]

The game has changed, I would have the team play Offense until they could score over 70 points a game then work on defense. Yes defense is very important but so is Offense. All the top teams score at least 70 points a game right now Tennessee could not play with them because of there Offense.

 

[jonson]

DD's stats are the same right now as in high school. Check it out. She is a high volume shooter and, relatively, a low scorer. She showboats on her passes which is a partial contributor her very high turnover rate (regular season - pre post season SEC tournament) turnovers.

When you net out the turnovers from 14 or so points from too many shots taken there is the sound of sizzle to a lot of fans; but, the reality is there is no steak on the table.

Without a radical turnaround, I don't see anything different coming from DD (if she doesn't transfer as has been suggested). Without coaching input her stat line will read the same when she graduates, IMO. Unimpressive relative to the raw talent she possess.

I completely agree (and with your previous posts as well). To me, the hype surrounding DD has been one of the most interesting media-fueled creations in women's basketball. Her physical talent is truly extraordinary, and there are moments when she plays beautiful basketball. But her stats have never fit the DD portrayed in the media, or imagined as the savior here--and that's as true of her time at NC as it is of her high school stats. It's as if a few highlight moments erase all the negatives. Maybe what's happened this year will change things and she will put in the work needed to make her the player she and the media apparently think she is already. But, at this point, she has imo a very long way to go.