Official Brexit Referendum Discussion

[bamawriter]

I'll make a specific prediciton:

Remain wins in close vote.

England goes slightly exit. Scotland, Wales, and NI go heavily remain. The Celtic fringe pushes the remain vote over the top.

 

[VolnJC]

from my math and polling...I see the vote as 100% to leave the EU

 

[VolnJC]

ok now its 50/50

 

[golfballs]

Hope they leave

 

[Biopsyman]

The food sucks

 

[LouderVol]

when vinegar is the condiment of choice, you know the above is true.

 

[AM64]

They'd be smart to leave and retain independence while they can. We had a union of states once where the state was considered the important entity, and the states worked collectively to accomplish what could be done better as a whole; we even have a prized copy of that frequently ignored original document. The naive founders even believed they could define what the federal government would control leaving everything else to the individual states. However, we are now one big unhappy bowl of mush where regional difference is unallowed. Federalism will always dominate given the opportunity and force unhappy compliance to the satisfaction of no one. So Britain should leave while it can.

The (federal) state giveth and the state taketh. We are all taxed by the federal government which in turn returns some of that money to individual state and local governments if they comply with the federal government. As an example, remember when the federal government mandated a 55 mph speed limit and withheld revenue to any state not imposing that speed limit? The same goes with education and on and on; blackmail works when legitimate application of law doesn't. Creeping federalism is like kudzu - can't be controlled - it will cover everything. And one thing even more certain than death and taxes is that governments abhor a perceived vacuum (lack of absolute control) even more than nature abhors a vacuum.

 

[alexmanu]

I voted Remain, but I was undecided until today. At the end it came down to what I valued more, the economy or immigration. I think Britain's economy will be stronger in the EU trading block so I voted Remain. I do hope the EU reforms substantially though, or in 30 years time I'll vote Leave.

If Leave wins then I won't be mad but there'd be a lack of economic stability for at least half a year and a short-term currency devaluation. Ultimately it was a risk-value assessment, and I thought there was too great a risk.

 

[RikidyBones]

I voted Remain, but I was undecided until today. At the end it came down to what I valued more, the economy or immigration. I think Britain's economy will be stronger in the EU trading block so I voted Remain. I do hope the EU reforms substantially though, or in 30 years time I'll vote Leave.

If Leave wins then I won't be mad but there'd be a lack of economic stability for at least half a year and a short-term currency devaluation. Ultimately it was a risk-value assessment, and I thought there was too great a risk.

My wifes family is in London and my bank account would appreciate a devaluation in the pound. Too expensive for Americans to travel there.

They all voted to leave BTW

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

This. People are sick of the EU and it's encompassing liberal agenda...

The second black plague..

Apparently the young Brits aren't. They think this socialism thingy can still work.

"We are the world"

 

[VolnJC]

I voted Remain, but I was undecided until today. At the end it came down to what I valued more, the economy or immigration. I think Britain's economy will be stronger in the EU trading block so I voted Remain. I do hope the EU reforms substantially though, or in 30 years time I'll vote Leave.

If Leave wins then I won't be mad but there'd be a lack of economic stability for at least half a year and a short-term currency devaluation. Ultimately it was a risk-value assessment, and I thought there was too great a risk.

It's looking like remain will win with more people voting security over independence

 

[gcbvol]

My wifes family is in London and my bank account would appreciate a devaluation in the pound. Too expensive for Americans to travel there.

They all voted to leave BTW

London is one of our favorite cities; always looking for an excuse to visit.

 

[alexmanu]

Apparently the young Brits aren't. They think this socialism thingy can still work.

"We are the world"

I'm a conservative and voted Remain. There are economic arguments for remaining that I thought were strong. Britain's economy is doing well at the moment - far better than the rest of Europe. And we are not liable on any potential ECB bailout after the renegotiation deal. So there is no risk to staying beyond immigration - which is a huge issue but there are more immigrants coming to the UK from outside the EU every year than in it.

It just came down to my belief that we shouldn't change anything right now cause we're doing well as a country and I'd rather not fall into a recession (however short-term it may be).

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I'm a conservative and voted Remain. There are economic arguments for remaining that I thought were strong. Britain's economy is doing well at the moment - far better than the rest of Europe. And we are not liable on any potential ECB bailout after the renegotiation deal. So there is no risk to staying beyond immigration - which is a huge issue but there are more immigrants coming to the UK from outside the EU every year than in it.

It just came down to my belief that we shouldn't change anything right now cause we're doing well as a country and I'd rather not fall into a recession (however short-term it may be).

Seems very short sighted to me, but it is your vote and I respect that.

 

[alexmanu]

It's looking like remain will win with more people voting security over independence

It's a fair argument but I don't think staying in a massive trade block necessarily means a country is not independent. The UK has veto power, nothing is forced upon us, it is consented to. The Leave narrative has been hypocritical in this sense because UK MEPs have voted through nearly every piece of EU legislation that has been adopted.

 

[VolnJC]

I was watching BBC and they were more interested in talking about the "brave" Democratic sit in over gun control..they then lamented the "NRA owned" GOP would block any measure that they offered...always thought they were supposed to be fair...I like this Louder with Crowder guy on SKYnews though

 

[alexmanu]

Seems very short sighted to me, but it is your vote and I respect that.

I depends what you deem as short-sighted. Economic forecasting models - which were designed on the basis that we stay in the EU - forecast that Britain will overtake Germany in the next several decades. The single market is hugely important to growing our export market and eliminating the current account deficit.

 

[alexmanu]

Seems very short sighted to me, but it is your vote and I respect that.

If I was in a more secure personal financial position then I may have opted to leave.

 

[hog88]

I depends what you deem as short-sighted. Economic forecasting models - which were designed on the basis that we stay in the EU - forecast that Britain will overtake Germany in the next several decades. The single market is hugely important to growing our export market and eliminating the current account deficit.

That's something I don't see happening unless Germany gets the immigration problem solved. A strong leader in Germany will equal all EU nations under their control.

 

[alexmanu]

That's something I don't see happening unless Germany gets the immigration problem solved. A strong leader in Germany will equal all EU nations under their control.

I think there is good evidence to believe that Britain will overtake Germany's economy within three decades.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I think there is good evidence to believe that Britain will overtake Germany's economy within three decades.

Of course. Germany will be overtaken by mooslims by then as well.

 

[KentheOrange]

I think there is good evidence to believe that Britain will overtake Germany's economy within three decades.

There is a huge difference between Britain overtaking German economic level and Germany falling below Britain's economic level. Don't forget that all population models show several EU countries being Muslim in 30 years including Germany.

 

[VolnJC]

There is a huge difference between Britain overtaking German economic level and Germany falling below Britain's economic level. Don't forget that all population models show several EU countries being Muslim in 30 years including Germany.

Already there in France I think

 

[hog88]

I think there is good evidence to believe that Britain will overtake Germany's economy within three decades.

If they get rid of Merkel and her ilk, elect a strong leader who will get their immigration under control Britain doesn't stand a chance overtaking them. You don't have the resources or capability.

 

[alexmanu]

If they get rid of Merkel and her ilk, elect a strong leader who will get their immigration under control Britain doesn't stand a chance overtaking them. You don't have the resources or capability.

We certainly have the capability. And, quite frankly, I think it's unlikely they can find a smoother operator than Merkel. That country has a lot of political problems - expect a rise on the left.

Britain is the only truly liberal (small l) major power in Europe. We are business-friendly. We want lower taxes. Germany is going in the opposite trajectory.