Official: Report will say none of Iraq’s goals met

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UTLCA said:
Because the other dimwits who don't know where Connecticut is on the map that might stumble to prominace will have some impact on our lives. I can control how my child becomes educated, but I can't control the parents who don't care about educaiton and would rather fight stale wars.
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So you are worried about a dimwitted CT high school kid impacting your life, but not the situation in the middle east doing so?
 
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#52
allvol123 said:
Also, what social impact? You mean not being able to construct a sentence or make eye contact while in a conversation like most of the public school kiddies?
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You learn social skills while interacting on an everyday basis with other children of your age. As a child I played on teams with several homeschooled children, and they tended to mimic their parents because they were not given free range to form opinions or mannerisms of their own. Essentially they were ignored or teased because they just weren't normal.

Homeschooling shelters a child and while they may be able to speak and make eye contact, they will also become socially akward and removed from social situations. This leads to lack of self esteem/confidence, and sets the child back in many aspects of growing up. Unless they excell in sports or other extracurricular activities, most homeschooled children enter a world without their parents, be it high school or college, at a disadvantage.
 
#53
#53
allvol123 said:
So you are worried about a dimwitted CT high school kid impacting your life, but not the situation in the middle east doing so?
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Not someone from CT, did you go to public school too? Someone who can't perform simple functions such as finding a state on a map or understanding simple sentences during a debate might be making policy decisions, or I might work with them.

I know the situation in the Middle East affects me. I never said abondon it. I said that Iraq is a dead end. We are not doing anything constructive there and it is obvious. It seems as though you are the one with his eyes closed because you are pushing for a war with no end in sight and no good coming out of it.
 
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#54
UTLCA said:
You learn social skills while interacting on an everyday basis with other children of your age. As a child I played on teams with several homeschooled children, and they tended to mimic their parents because they were not given free range to form opinions or mannerisms of their own. Essentially they were ignored or teased because they just weren't normal.

Homeschooling shelters a child and while they may be able to speak and make eye contact, they will also become socially akward and removed from social situations. This leads to lack of self esteem/confidence, and sets the child back in many aspects of growing up. Unless they excell in sports or other extracurricular activities, most homeschooled children enter a world without their parents, be it high school or college, at a disadvantage.
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Again, not that I have ever mentioned homeschooling, but if "normal" is what I see from the average teenager I interact with, I will be happy that my child is not "normal".
 
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#55
UTLCA said:
Because the other dimwits who don't know where Connecticut is on the map that might stumble to prominace will have some impact on our lives. I can control how my child becomes educated, but I can't control the parents who don't care about educaiton and would rather fight stale wars.
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you've remained relatively lucid, although misguided, until this post, which confuses me to no end.

Are you saying that private school somehow shelters your child from stupid people or bad parents? If so, you're delusional. Also sounds like your saying that parents who agree with the war don't care about education or that funding education and fighting the war are mutually exclusive, both wrong.

To your point earlier about our presence driving oil pricing, it might to a very limited degree, but refining capacity (or less than 2% worldwide excess capacity) is driving the price we all pay at the pump. Industrialization of the third world drives the price of our fuel more than any single factor - you wanna stop that too? Is that killing our schools?
 
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#56
Then you will be happy when your child comes home crying and going to college without any confidence and unhappy throughout one of the most enjoyable times in his life. Why would your child be the average teenager?
 
#57
#57
UTLCA said:
Not someone from CT, did you go to public school too? Someone who can't perform simple functions such as finding a state on a map or understanding simple sentences during a debate might be making policy decisions, or I might work with them.

I know the situation in the Middle East affects me. I never said abondon it. I said that Iraq is a dead end. We are not doing anything constructive there and it is obvious. It seems as though you are the one with his eyes closed because you are pushing for a war with no end in sight and no good coming out of it.
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a long-term US presence in the Middle East, on the border of the world's exporter of terrorism. How's that bad?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
you've remained relatively lucid, although misguided, until this post, which confuses me to no end.

Are you saying that private school somehow shelters your child from stupid people or bad parents? If so, you're delusional. Also sounds like your saying that parents who agree with the war don't care about education or that funding education and fighting the war are mutually exclusive, both wrong.

To your point earlier about our presence driving oil pricing, it might to a very limited degree, but refining capacity (or less than 2% worldwide excess capacity) is driving the price we all pay at the pump. Industrialization of the third world drives the price of our fuel more than any single factor - you wanna stop that too? Is that killing our schools?
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I am saying private schools give students a better education than public schools. Plain and simple. I never said anything about private schools sheltering children. However, I did say that going to school away from home lets the child grow up and make their own decisions because at least 7 hours of the day they have other influences on their lives aside from their parents.

I was referring to parents who would rather fight wars with no end in sight than fund their children's future; mostly it was a jab at the person I was debating with.

Yes, let's stop everything that sends oil prices up...
I was merely giving an example of how the war is affecting the average American, and not just soldiers. I know that there are many factors in the prices of oil, but that was not the question at hand. Look at what the post was in reference to
 
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BigPapaVol said:
a long-term US presence in the Middle East, on the border of the world's exporter of terrorism. How's that bad?
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At what point are we sure that Iraq will provide us with that? Where is our progress that gives you any security in saying that we will have a long term influence there?
 
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allvol123 said:
Again, not that I have ever mentioned homeschooling, but if "normal" is what I see from the average teenager I interact with, I will be happy that my child is not "normal".
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At this point:
Also, what social impact? You mean not being able to construct a sentence or make eye contact while in a conversation like most of the public school kiddies?
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#62
#62
UTLCA said:
Then you will be happy when your child comes home crying and going to college without any confidence and unhappy throughout one of the most enjoyable times in his life. Why would your child be the average teenager?
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huh? So if my kid does not go to public school they have no confidence? What a joke? Looks like Tim Tebow is having a real hard time adjusting to college life I might add.
 
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allvol123 said:
huh? So if my kid does not go to public school they have no confidence? What a joke? Looks like Tim Tebow is having a real hard time adjusting to college life I might add.
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UTLCA said:
Unless they excell in sports or other extracurricular activities, most homeschooled children enter a world without their parents, be it high school or college, at a disadvantage.
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UTLCA said:
Did you or did you not allude to homeschooling at that point? Yes.
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You brought homeschooling up after I mentioned not using public schools, not me. There is another option than homeschool if public school is not used.
 
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#68
You could say that no matter what because I can't prove you wrong. I'm done with this subject because you are going to disagree without any strong points to compliment mine, no matter what.
 
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#69
UTLCA said:
You could say that no matter what because I can't prove you wrong. I'm done with this subject because you are going to disagree without any strong points to compliment mine, no matter what.
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How mighty of you...:eek:lol:

Sorry I could not reciprocate and keep up with you strong points.
 
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#72
UTLCA said:
I am saying private schools give students a better education than public schools. Plain and simple. I never said anything about private schools sheltering children.
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I am saying that you are dead wrong on private vs. public education, plain and simple. The single biggest factor in education children through the secondary level is father involvement, mother involvement is a close second. Did you know that the lowest paid educators in the business are those in private schools. Why would the best teachers go there?

I'd say your privately schooled kids miss out on a range of education issues, most prominently diversity, which does a helluva lot more for adjustment away from mommy and daddy than does SAT scores.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I am saying that you are dead wrong on private vs. public education, plain and simple. The single biggest factor in education children through the secondary level is father involvement, mother involvement is a close second. Did you know that the lowest paid educators in the business are those in private schools. Why would the best teachers go there?

I'd say your privately schooled kids miss out on a range of education issues, most prominently diversity, which does a helluva lot more for adjustment away from mommy and daddy than does SAT scores.
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100% accurate
 
#75
#75
OrangeEmpire said:
??????????

I was private schooled k-12.......what kind of problems did/do I have?
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your lack of problems doesn't do anything for / against the argument that private schools limit the exposure to diversity that public school kids get.

I personally believe, as stated earlier, that parental involvement is the greatest determinant of education quality. Students lacking in parental drive have a far more difficult road to achievement than those with overbearing parents.

Clearly people of all educational backgrounds find a way to succeed, so education is a very individual / family affair imo rather than an affair of school environment.
 
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