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Nah, we can still limp in with 8 wins and half of our fans want to keep our coach.

I've never been more wrong about a coaching hire. Really thought we'd hit a home run(sorry for the bad pun) with Dave. Like the guy a lot. Like everyone else, I really wanted/hoped/prayed he'd succeed and UT baseball would finally become a program to be proud of. If he can't win here, I seriously doubt anyone can on a regular basis that is. Rod seemed to always juice it up in his contract years, but I want UT to be a force in the SEC. At this point, I'm totally convinced it's not the man coaching but the men making the monetary decisions. Until UT gets serious about making baseball a priority like it is at other schools in the conference, this is what we'll get no matter who the coach is. Honestly, I'd love for UT to approach this another way. Keep Dave and pour money into the program. Let him have a full deck to play with and see how he does. Have a feeling he will bounce to another school with better resources and suddenly succeed. UT will hire another Todd Raleigh and be scratching our heads on why it went that way again.
 
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I've never been more wrong about a coaching hire. Really thought we'd hit a home run(sorry for the bad pun) with Dave. Like the guy a lot. Like everyone else, I really wanted/hoped/prayed he'd succeed and UT baseball would finally become a program to be proud of. If he can't win here, I seriously doubt anyone can on a regular basis that is. Rod seemed to always juice it up in his contract years, but I want UT to be a force in the SEC. At this point, I'm totally convinced it's not the man coaching but the men making the monetary decisions. Until UT gets serious about making baseball a priority like it is at other schools in the conference, this is what we'll get no matter who the coach is. Honestly, I'd love for UT to approach this another way. Keep Dave and pour money into the program. Let him have a full deck to play with and see how he does. Have a feeling he will bounce to another school with better resources and suddenly succeed. UT will hire another Todd Raleigh and be scratching our heads on why it went that way again.

It's not a choice between "another Todd Raleigh" and accepting more of the same with Serrano (spoiler alert: next year's primary excuse will again be that classic from 2013 about how young the team is).

There are a lot of hungry, aggressive coaches burning to show what they can do in a job like this. Despite the "if Dave can't do it, nobody can" chorus on this board, I don't believe CDS is the last, best, and only hope for the Vols to be relevant in the SEC.

The tired list of excuses for why we should keep a coach whose record is worse than Raleigh's would be more persuasive if we consistently saw an extremely well coached team playing smart and executing well, if we regularly stole wins in nail biter games against stronger teams, and if we saw more of our players over-achieving beyond their recruiting profiles.

Those things are the product of leadership, which is what coaches are hired to provide--especially when there are formidable obstacles to success.

CDS no longer shows fire in the belly when he explains over and over again in postgame interviews that the guys are trying hard, that they're hurting, that they just can't put all the pieces together. I see a sincere but frustrated man who no longer radiates the optimism and energy he had when he got here.
 
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I've never been more wrong about a coaching hire. Really thought we'd hit a home run(sorry for the bad pun) with Dave. Like the guy a lot. Like everyone else, I really wanted/hoped/prayed he'd succeed and UT baseball would finally become a program to be proud of. If he can't win here, I seriously doubt anyone can on a regular basis that is. Rod seemed to always juice it up in his contract years, but I want UT to be a force in the SEC. At this point, I'm totally convinced it's not the man coaching but the men making the monetary decisions. Until UT gets serious about making baseball a priority like it is at other schools in the conference, this is what we'll get no matter who the coach is. Honestly, I'd love for UT to approach this another way. Keep Dave and pour money into the program. Let him have a full deck to play with and see how he does. Have a feeling he will bounce to another school with better resources and suddenly succeed. UT will hire another Todd Raleigh and be scratching our heads on why it went that way again.

Right now, for obvious and in some cases tragic reasons, there's not that much difference between Vandy and Tennessee as far as talent. This is the weakest bullpen Corbin has had in a decade. They lost a huge number of recruits over the last two classes to the draft, and of course saw the tragic loss of Everett, who would have been their No. 1 pitcher this season.

Tennessee isn't a terrible team, they just don't have pitching, and haven't since Corbin arrived in Nashville and began signing all of the elite arms in the state. Losing a 1-0 Friday game is just baseball.

Vandy doesn't have the pitching they have had, either, and that's why they wont be favored to make it out of a Regional. VU only scored one run last night, on a homer by a likely top five draft pick.

With the realities of partial scholarships, the reality of Corbin and Vandy, and the dramatic rise in UT tuition over the last decade, the only way UT can get Sec level pitching is to recruit out of state and JUCO. For whatever reasons, Serrano has not done this. I really thought he would spend most of his time recruiting California, but instead he has wasted his time trying to recruit in state kids away from Corbin, and that simply isn't going to work.

Auburn has turned it around, so maybe it is possible.
 
It's not a choice between "another Todd Raleigh" and accepting more of the same with Serrano (spoiler alert: next year's primary excuse will again be that classic from 2013 about how young the team is).

There are a lot of hungry, aggressive coaches burning to show what they can do in a job like this. Despite the "if Dave can't do it, nobody can" chorus on this board, I don't believe CDS is the last, best, and only hope for the Vols to be relevant in the SEC.

The tired list of excuses for why we should keep a coach whose record is worse than Raleigh's would be more persuasive if we consistently saw an extremely well coached team playing smart and executing well, if we regularly stole wins in nail biter games against stronger teams, and if we saw more of our players over-achieving beyond their recruiting profiles.

Those things are the product of leadership, which is what coaches are hired to provide--especially when there are formidable obstacles to success.

CDS no longer shows fire in the belly when he explains over and over again in postgame interviews that the guys are trying hard, that they're hurting, that they just can't put all the pieces together. I see a sincere but frustrated man who no longer radiates the optimism and energy he had when he got here.

As much as it pains me to say it...I agree with you. I think it is time to make a change...after all we can only be just a little worse or maybe a lot better. I'll take that risk.
 
not only need new blood but young blood, and preferably Orange blood...Todd Helton is already in place...possibly Rusty...possibly Burke...possibly...just do it...Mr. Currie...ready when you are..., but, as always...

GO BIG ORANGE!
 
Right now, for obvious and in some cases tragic reasons, there's not that much difference between Vandy and Tennessee as far as talent. This is the weakest bullpen Corbin has had in a decade. They lost a huge number of recruits over the last two classes to the draft, and of course saw the tragic loss of Everett, who would have been their No. 1 pitcher this season.

Tennessee isn't a terrible team, they just don't have pitching, and haven't since Corbin arrived in Nashville and began signing all of the elite arms in the state. Losing a 1-0 Friday game is just baseball.

Vandy doesn't have the pitching they have had, either, and that's why they wont be favored to make it out of a Regional. VU only scored one run last night, on a homer by a likely top five draft pick.

With the realities of partial scholarships, the reality of Corbin and Vandy, and the dramatic rise in UT tuition over the last decade, the only way UT can get Sec level pitching is to recruit out of state and JUCO. For whatever reasons, Serrano has not done this. I really thought he would spend most of his time recruiting California, but instead he has wasted his time trying to recruit in state kids away from Corbin, and that simply isn't going to work.

Auburn has turned it around, so maybe it is possible.

It's actually getting a little easier on Tennessee's end, I would argue. As Vandy's appeal has grown, they are casting a wider net, and recruiting more nationally than just in-state.

Look at this year's team. Vandy doesn't have a single regular starter as a position player from the state of TN. Reed Hayes is versatile and a valuable asset, but outside of him and Patrick Raby, I don't think there's anyone that would be starting at Tennessee but for Vandy's rise.

Those are two players that would certainly help Tennessee, but that's not the difference between TN going to Hoover and going to Omaha.

Going forward, Vandy has a monster class of 21 commits in 2018, and while certainly some will go to the draft and never make it to campus, as of right now only 5 of the 21 are in-state players. There's only one commit right now (out of 14 total commits) in the 2019 class from inside the state. (To be fair, there are seven in-staters in the 2017 class, but that's less than half the class).

Vandy's a factor for Tennessee, but not the dispositive one, in my opinion. It's not like Vandy's sweeping the Vols every year on the field either. They were 5-5 in the last 10 games prior to last night.

Tennessee has to decide if they want to make a commitment to baseball. To this point they have not done so, and recruits know that.

Even Carson-Newman video streams their home baseball games. An athletic department with 9 figure annual revenues should be able to figure out how to get that done for every home baseball game.
 
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And now Dobbs!

Yes, for the second time in 24 hours I have literally yelled aloud in my home scaring both wife and child.

They may not make the cut, but they might... and following them will be easier which is a plus.

Happy for both Cam and Josh and all the Vols that got drafted, Malone, Reeves-Maybin also went today.

GBO!!!
 
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I've never been more wrong about a coaching hire. Really thought we'd hit a home run(sorry for the bad pun) with Dave. Like the guy a lot. Like everyone else, I really wanted/hoped/prayed he'd succeed and UT baseball would finally become a program to be proud of. If he can't win here, I seriously doubt anyone can on a regular basis that is. Rod seemed to always juice it up in his contract years, but I want UT to be a force in the SEC. At this point, I'm totally convinced it's not the man coaching but the men making the monetary decisions. Until UT gets serious about making baseball a priority like it is at other schools in the conference, this is what we'll get no matter who the coach is. Honestly, I'd love for UT to approach this another way. Keep Dave and pour money into the program. Let him have a full deck to play with and see how he does. Have a feeling he will bounce to another school with better resources and suddenly succeed. UT will hire another Todd Raleigh and be scratching our heads on why it went that way again.

It's not a choice between "another Todd Raleigh" and accepting more of the same with Serrano (spoiler alert: next year's primary excuse will again be that classic from 2013 about how young the team is).

There are a lot of hungry, aggressive coaches burning to show what they can do in a job like this. Despite the "if Dave can't do it, nobody can" chorus on this board, I don't believe CDS is the last, best, and only hope for the Vols to be relevant in the SEC.

The tired list of excuses for why we should keep a coach whose record is worse than Raleigh's would be more persuasive if we consistently saw an extremely well coached team playing smart and executing well, if we regularly stole wins in nail biter games against stronger teams, and if we saw more of our players over-achieving beyond their recruiting profiles.

Those things are the product of leadership, which is what coaches are hired to provide--especially when there are formidable obstacles to success.

CDS no longer shows fire in the belly when he explains over and over again in postgame interviews that the guys are trying hard, that they're hurting, that they just can't put all the pieces together. I see a sincere but frustrated man who no longer radiates the optimism and energy he had when he got here.

Right now, for obvious and in some cases tragic reasons, there's not that much difference between Vandy and Tennessee as far as talent. This is the weakest bullpen Corbin has had in a decade. They lost a huge number of recruits over the last two classes to the draft, and of course saw the tragic loss of Everett, who would have been their No. 1 pitcher this season.

Tennessee isn't a terrible team, they just don't have pitching, and haven't since Corbin arrived in Nashville and began signing all of the elite arms in the state. Losing a 1-0 Friday game is just baseball.

Vandy doesn't have the pitching they have had, either, and that's why they wont be favored to make it out of a Regional. VU only scored one run last night, on a homer by a likely top five draft pick.

With the realities of partial scholarships, the reality of Corbin and Vandy, and the dramatic rise in UT tuition over the last decade, the only way UT can get Sec level pitching is to recruit out of state and JUCO. For whatever reasons, Serrano has not done this. I really thought he would spend most of his time recruiting California, but instead he has wasted his time trying to recruit in state kids away from Corbin, and that simply isn't going to work.

Auburn has turned it around, so maybe it is possible.

It's actually getting a little easier on Tennessee's end, I would argue. As Vandy's appeal has grown, they are casting a wider net, and recruiting more nationally than just in-state.

Look at this year's team. Vandy doesn't have a single regular starter as a position player from the state of TN. Reed Hayes is versatile and a valuable asset, but outside of him and Patrick Raby, I don't think there's anyone that would be starting at Tennessee but for Vandy's rise.

Those are two players that would certainly help Tennessee, but that's not the difference between TN going to Hoover and going to Omaha.

Going forward, Vandy has a monster class of 21 commits in 2018, and while certainly some will go to the draft and never make it to campus, as of right now only 5 of the 21 are in-state players. There's only one commit right now (out of 14 total commits) in the 2019 class from inside the state. (To be fair, there are seven in-staters in the 2017 class, but that's less than half the class).

Vandy's a factor for Tennessee, but not the dispositive one, in my opinion. It's not like Vandy's sweeping the Vols every year on the field either. They were 5-5 in the last 10 games prior to last night.

Tennessee has to decide if they want to make a commitment to baseball. To this point they have not done so, and recruits know that.

Even Carson-Newman video streams their home baseball games. An athletic department with 9 figure annual revenues should be able to figure out how to get that done for every home baseball game.

Is it possible all of you are right?

I think so.

I could take a couple lines out of each of these posts and feel it true 100%.
 
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Right now, for obvious and in some cases tragic reasons, there's not that much difference between Vandy and Tennessee as far as talent.

This might one of the dumbest statements posted on this site in my time here. All credibility lost when you start a post like this. Pure baseball ignorance.
 
Did you WATCH the game yesterday?

I don't have to to know the talent gap. You are a smart guy and know one game doesn't measure out in baseball. Vandy is going to have two picks in the top 10 and maybe top 5. They have a roster full of prospects that have been drafted and will be again. It isn't close in talent. It's not even a debate.
 
Yes, for the second time in 24 hours I have literally yelled aloud in my home scaring both wife and child.

They may not make the cut, but they might... and following them will be easier which is a plus.

Happy for both Cam and Josh and all the Vols that got drafted, Malone, Reeves-Maybin also went today.

GBO!!!

Something really bad would have to happen for Dobbs not to make the final roster, or at worst I think they'd keep him on their practice squad if they decide to only go with 2 QBs for their gameday rosters and he doesn't beat out Jones.
 
I don't have to to know the talent gap. You are a smart guy and know one game doesn't measure out in baseball. Vandy is going to have two picks in the top 10 and maybe top 5. They have a roster full of prospects that have been drafted and will be again. It isn't close in talent. It's not even a debate.

You are a smart guy as well, Vandy is 1 game above .500 in SEC play (thanks to our 1-0 loss yesterday, had we won they would be a game below .500), UK is 7 games above .500

If UK can do it, we can do it. The coach is in his 2nd year, is that just good luck and a favorable schedule? Or, is it good coaching and recruiting? Both?

Let me ask this...you are a CDS supporter as I am, if we don't have the talent who's fault is it? If the answer is no... Is it our coaching staff's inability to recognize talent or our unattractiveness as a program and all that entails to help them sign it?

I would argue we have had the talent, whether on purpose or on accident, but that talent with the exception of Senzel hasn't performed consistently.

We consistently have pitching that shows out great young but either due to injury or whatever is not as good the next season, see Hunter Martin last year or Zach Warren this year. We have guys that ride the pine for years and don't do anything.
 
You are a smart guy as well, Vandy is 1 game above .500 in SEC play (thanks to our 1-0 loss yesterday, had we won they would be a game below .500), UK is 7 games above .500

If UK can do it, we can do it. The coach is in his 2nd year, is that just good luck and a favorable schedule? Or, is it good coaching and recruiting? Both?

Let me ask this...you are a CDS supporter as I am, if we don't have the talent who's fault is it? If the answer is no... Is it our coaching staff's inability to recognize talent or our unattractiveness as a program and all that entails to help them sign it?

I would argue we have had the talent, whether on purpose or on accident, but that talent with the exception of Senzel hasn't performed consistently.

We consistently have pitching that shows out great young but either due to injury or whatever is not as good the next season, see Hunter Martin last year or Zach Warren this year. We have guys that ride the pine for years and don't do anything.

You are pointing out that Corbin generally under achieves with his talent. Being .500 in the SEC. doesn't change what is going to happen on draft day which is where talent is judged. Corbin has under achieved for years. He always has a drastic talent advantage. Just watch the draft
 
Something really bad would have to happen for Dobbs not to make the final roster, or at worst I think they'd keep him on their practice squad if they decide to only go with 2 QBs for their gameday rosters and he doesn't beat out Jones.

I agree...stuff happens though, it ain't college. I hope all Vols stick, get a chance, make the most of it and do well!
 
You are pointing out that Corbin generally under achieves with his talent. Being .500 in the SEC. doesn't change what is going to happen on draft day which is where talent is judged. Corbin has under achieved for years. He always has a drastic talent advantage. Just watch the draft

You can take that up with the Vandy posters.

Your philosophy starts and ends with their grant and aid but does not account for the fact they are .500 and UK doesn't have that advantage, you never want to discuss that.
 
You can take that up with the Vandy posters.

Your philosophy starts and ends with their grant and aid but does not account for the fact they are .500 and UK doesn't have that advantage, you never want to discuss that.

Oh I am fine talking about Kentucky. Their new coach is doing one hell of a job. They and Auburn are success stories for sure. They aren't even close to as talented as Vandy but over achieving.
 
Oh I am fine talking about Kentucky. Their new coach is doing one hell of a job. They and Auburn are success stories for sure. They aren't even close to as talented as Vandy but over achieving.

Well, why shouldn't we expect similar results? If we have to overachieve to keep up, why aren't we?
 
Well, why shouldn't we expect similar results? If we have to overachieve to keep up, why aren't we?

I agree we should expect similar results and that's why I supported a change last year. Now that a change didn't take place I think you have to see out the transition
 
You are pointing out that Corbin generally under achieves with his talent. Being .500 in the SEC. doesn't change what is going to happen on draft day which is where talent is judged. Corbin has under achieved for years. He always has a drastic talent advantage. Just watch the draft

I'd take issue with that. He's in line with the performance of coaches at LSU and Florida, which I think you can argue have had just as much talent if not more than Vanderbilt. Do you think that Manieri and O'Sullivan have underachieved?

I think I read somewhere that Vandy has more wins that any other team over the last seven seasons. Five super regionals, three CWS, two CWS finals and a national title. One could argue if not for the death of Everett they certainly would've been favored to make it six super regionals.

This critique reminds me of the Peyton Manning critics that talk about how he's somehow deficient despite going to the playoffs every year because he went to "only" four super bowls and "only" won two of them.

If you measure them by unreasonable standards, yes I suppose they underachieve. Viewed under just about any metric, they're pretty darn good. Look, they clearly underperformed in the 2007 tournament.

Most people completely forget what Corbin walked into at Vanderbilt. There's an interesting story about his wife coming to the stadium and talking to him a few minutes before his first game. She asked him what time the game started and assumed she had the time wrong because no one was there.
 
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I'd take issue with that. He's in line with the performance of coaches at LSU and Florida, which I think you can argue have had just as much talent if not more than Vanderbilt. Do you think that Manieri and O'Sullivan have underachieved?

I think I read somewhere that Vandy has more wins that any other team over the last seven seasons. Five super regionals, three CWS, two CWS finals and a national title. One could argue if not for the death of Everett they certainly would've been favored to make it six super regionals.

This critique reminds me of the Peyton Manning critics that talk about how he's somehow deficient despite going to the playoffs every year because he went to "only" four super bowls and "only" won two of them.

If you measure them by unreasonable standards, yes I suppose they underachieve. Viewed under just about any metric, they're pretty darn good. Look, they clearly underperformed in the 2007 tournament.

Most people completely forget what Corbin walked into at Vanderbilt. There's an interesting story about his wife coming to the stadium and talking to him a few minutes before his first game. She asked him what time the game started and assumed she had the time wrong because no one was there.

I believe that Vandy has had more talent that lsu and florida especially in the most important category of pitching. Would love to see a breakdown of it but I can't recall a year that Vandy hasn't had a top 10 overall pick of the draft on their pitching staff. Lsu and Florida have had great talent but not as often.
 
Florida's whole weekend rotation will go in the first round. Faedo this year, Singer and Kowar are projected by some as top 10 overall next year.

Shore fell a bit last year but they very nearly had three first rounders last year. (Puk and Dunning went in the first, Shore who arguably was their most reliable college pitcher, fell to the 47th overall pick).

That means that last year's staff will very likely have had 5 first rounders and one mid-second rounder. Their pitching is incredible.

If there is a talent differential, it isn't much. They routinely bring in top 3 recruiting classes.
 
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Florida's whole weekend rotation will go in the first round. Faedo this year, Singer and Kowar are projected by some as top 10 overall next year.

Shore fell a bit last year but they very nearly had three first rounders last year. (Puk and Dunning went in the first, Shore who arguably was their most reliable college pitcher, fell to the 47th overall pick).

That means that last year's staff will very likely have had 5 first rounders and one mid-second rounder. Their pitching is incredible.

If there is a talent differential, it isn't much. They routinely bring in top 3 recruiting classes.
I agree that florida had superior talent this year. I was talking about in the past.
 
If it is a talent problem, then it's a recruiting problem, what's a large part of recruiting facilities, who's job is it to improve the facilities the AD's therefore it all comes back to our AD not viewing baseball as anything but a nussiance
 

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