Official: UT hires Kim Caldwell as the new coach for Lady Vols basketball

[glv98]

40 minutes of Hell in the 90’s was must see TV

Trying to remember the last time an SEC WBB basketball team won a league or natty championship with that style. Anyone remember?

 

[Majors]

Who said standing in the corner waiting wasn't a problem. News flash: that coach is gone. Totally invalid comparison.

Here's another comparison for you: Fans were concerned and screamed loudly about a coach who subbed on a pattern and subbed out hot players in rthymn but no issues with hockey style subbing and every 90 second subbing.

Not invalid seeing the different styles of 2 weeks ago to today. Tess and Puckett since you asked like the corner pocket…maybe a flash across the lane to the other side for trickery.

 

[Majors]

Trying to remember the last time an SEC WBB basketball team won a league or natty championship with that style. Anyone remember?

Nothing wrong with being the first.

 

[spojo13]

Trying to remember the last time an SEC WBB basketball team won a league or natty championship with that style. Anyone remember?

I think people forget that the talent level is a little different than in men’s basketball. Dawn’s strong depth was consistently brought up bc it is so rare to have that much talent on your bench. There is a significant drop off once you get past a certain point every recruiting class.

 

[glv98]

Nothing wrong with being the first.

There may just be a reason none of the other highly respected coaches are trying it. But there is Mike Neighbors. Be like Arky!

Realistically, we all know what they've described ain't happening here. For one she doesn't have anywhere near the players for it and also reality of the SEC will moderate it. Nothing at all wrong with uptempo and a pressing D, but it can't be your be all and end all in the big girl world.

 

[Majors]

There may just be a reason none of the other highly respected coaches are trying it. But there is Mike Neighbors. Be like Arky!

Realistically, we all know what they've described ain't happening here. For one she doesn't have anywhere near the players for it and also reality of the SEC will moderate it. Nothing at all wrong with uptempo and a pressing D, but it can't be your be all and end all in the big girl world.

Get athletes you do what you want. Our Achilles heel was athletic teams, get 10-12 athletes and you change scheme/Tennessee fans folded arms philosophy. Seems as though you’re trying to discredit the coach for getting away from the slow unathletic brand ingrained.

 

[glv98]

Get athletes you do what you want. Our Achilles heel was athletic teams, get 10-12 athletes and you change scheme/Tennessee fans folded arms philosophy. Seems as though you’re trying to discredit the coach for getting away from the slow unathletic brand ingrained.

Not at all. But can't swing back too hard on athletic players without basketball skills. We've been there before.

Bottom line, we have to get skilled and elite players in here. Uptempo is fine and appealing, I look forward to it. But can't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Have to have a versatile offense for when you inevitably get forced into the half court.

Also, being subbed for every 2 or 3 minutes will not work for elite players. But I stand by to be proven wrong.

 

[Majors]

Not at all. But can't swing back too hard on athletic players without basketball skills. We've been there before.

Bottom line, we have to get skilled and elite players in here. Uptempo is fine and appealing, I look forward to it. But can't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Have to have a versatile offense for when you inevitably get forced into the half court.

Also, being subbed for every 2 or 3 minutes will not work for elite players. But I stand by to be proven wrong.

Term elite is a small percentage of players that gets tossed around like they are leaves falling. You don’t need elite, you need athletes which is a big difference. Pearl didn’t have elite, he had athletes, shooters and Dane in year 1 creating havoc.

See you taking the John Adams approach.

 

[TrippieRedd]

Term elite is a small percentage of players that gets tossed around like they are leaves falling. You don’t need elite, you need athletes which is a big difference. Pearl didn’t have elite, he had athletes, shooters and Dane in year 1 creating havoc.

See you taking the John Adams approach.

Biggest lol

 

[spojo13]

Term elite is a small percentage of players that gets tossed around like they are leaves falling. You don’t need elite, you need athletes which is a big difference. Pearl didn’t have elite, he had athletes, shooters and Dane in year 1 creating havoc.

See you taking the John Adams approach.

I’m sorry but in women’s basketball, you aren’t winning championships without some elite players. That fact has been proven over and over again. Yes, Bruce won with non elite players but men’s basketball talent is completely different. You see a lot more Oaklands beating Kentucky on that side bc the margin from the top athletes to lower ranked isn’t as steep. I usually agree with some of your takes but you can’t throw 5 Wynns out there and expect to beat SC.

 

[TrippieRedd]

I’m sorry but in women’s basketball, you aren’t winning championships without some elite players. That fact has been proven over and over again. Yes, Bruce won with non elite players but men’s basketball talent is completely different. You see a lot more Oaklands beating Kentucky on that side bc the margin from the top athletes to lower ranked isn’t as steep. I usually agree with some of your takes but you can’t throw 5 Wynns out there and expect to beat SC.

He definitely had “elite” players that year.

Lofton, Watson, Smith etc.

 

[glv98]

Biggest lol

Espec considering the hell the last staff got for not being able to recruit elite players.

Look at So Car and get back to me on the importance of elite players.

 

[TrippieRedd]

Espec considering the hell the last staff got for not being able to recruit elite players.

Look at So Car and get back to me on the importance of elite players.

Exactly. Half the posters were complaining about recruiting, now all of a sudden it’s fine because this “magical” system she’s going to implement is going to work.

 

[spojo13]

He definitely had “elite” players that year.

Lofton, Watson, Smith etc.

Yeah for sure. I meant on paper/recruiting wise. Watson was the highest ranked out of them?

 

[brittannica]

All I heard last season was, “You can’t take donkeys to the Kentucky Derby” and now as long as you can run at full speed for 90 sec it’s fine. with this amazing system, it doesn’t matter your bball talent, we’ll be competing to cut down nets. lol, brick by brick I guess.

 

[Majors]

I’m sorry but in women’s basketball, you aren’t winning championships without some elite players. That fact has been proven over and over again. Yes, Bruce won with non elite players but men’s basketball talent is completely different. You see a lot more Oaklands beating Kentucky on that side bc the margin from the top athletes to lower ranked isn’t as steep. I usually agree with some of your takes but you can’t throw 5 Wynns out there and expect to beat SC.

The term elite is tainted here. Define elite, mine is the Top 1% type players.

Elite
C. Clark
R. Jackson
Paige B.
Juju W.

feel free to add

Most teams have athletes
Anyone on SC in that category? Really good players/athletes, outstanding team of depth in waves.

 

[glv98]

It makes sense that a player that the last staff had made their highest priority(we had no one else) would want to be treated as the highest priority by the new staff. Not saying it’s right to expect a call already, but it makes sense.

Pick up the phone. Esp if the family is hinting they'd like a call.

I get people saying the new coach just got here. But I don't think they get the speed that recruiting works at these days. Nyla is already making visits and getting offers. We are starting out behind.

Exactly. Half the posters were complaining about recruiting, now all of a sudden it’s fine because this “magical” system she’s going to implement is going to work.

Agenda-driven flipping on previous core beliefs is one of our best things here! Makes fan forums fun.

 

[Majors]

He definitely had “elite” players that year.

Lofton, Watson, Smith etc.

Smith was a walkon, Loton was a 3 star Soph. CJ Watson 3 star SR as well. He maximized the talent and schemed to their talents.

 

[glv98]

The term elite is tainted here. Define elite, mine is the Top 1% type players.

Elite
C. Clark
R. Jackson
Paige B.
Juju W.

feel free to add

Most teams have athletes
Anyone on SC in that category? Really good players/athletes, outstanding team of depth in waves.

IMO Raven Johnson is an elite point guard. Elite is more than scoring. Kamilla was an elite post player this year, which is why she's suddenly in the mix as a lottery pick. And Fulwiley and Watkins are elite prospects.

 

[spojo13]

Exactly. Half the posters were complaining about recruiting, now all of a sudden it’s fine because this “magical” system she’s going to implement is going to work.

Yeah, I’m starting to see that narrative pop up in here some. People lining up an excuse already if recruiting isn’t great bc she doesn’t need great players. I don’t care what system she runs, we aren’t going to win without great players. Full stop.

 

[CoryDallasLV]

Trying to remember the last time an SEC WBB basketball team won a league or natty championship with that style. Anyone remember?

Those 97 & 98 teams with the Meeks pressed full court quite a lot and created a ton of havoc and turnovers for the opposing offense. Those teams weren't deep either, but they also didn't press for 40 minutes. Of course they were also the Meeks LOL.

 

[spojo13]

IMO Raven Johnson is an elite point guard. Elite is more than scoring. Kamilla was an elite post player this year, which is why she's suddenly in the mix as a lottery pick. And Fulwiley and Watkins are elite prospects.

Raven won a player of the year award coming out of high school and Kamilla was a top ten recruit, but who would want them when you can just get athletes!

 

[Majors]

IMO Raven Johnson is an elite point guard. Elite is more than scoring. Kamilla was an elite post player this year, which is why she's suddenly in the mix as a lottery pick. And Fulwiley and Watkins are elite prospects.

For weeks we heard Kamilla’s shot was a fluke. Things change quickly here.

The others you wouldn’t put on the Mt. Rushmore ahead of the players I listed would you.

 

[spojo13]

Those 97 & 98 teams with the Meeks pressed full court quite a lot and created a ton of havoc and turnovers for the opposing offense. Those teams weren't deep either, but they also didn't press for 40 minutes.

They also had some elite players on there too.

 

[glv98]

Those 97 & 98 teams with the Meeks pressed full court quite a lot and created a ton of havoc and turnovers for the opposing offense. Those teams weren't deep either, but they also didn't press for 40 minutes.

My fave teams, thus my screen name. It was 25 yrs ago. Also, those LVs had such a huge talent edge bc there were far fewer good players and they all basically played for UT or UConn. Pressing today's players is way, way different.