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[bamawriter]

One was lying about a minor recruiting violation.

If it's true that Tressel knew and lied about knowing (which I'm not sure he did), that means he knowingly used players that probably should have been ineligible. I'd say that's probably worse.

The NCAA already chose not to rule them ineligible for the games they played in. The players' violations determined whether or not they'd be eligible, not Tressel's knowledge of the violation.

 

[hohenfelsvol]

Second, Tressel's only offense would be lying about the violations.

I agree with your post overall but lying about violations at school where you are supposed to be the guy in charge to me could be a biggie. Will it be, probably not, but the potential is there.

 

[bamawriter]

Being given a harsher verdict for a lesser violation. You have to follow a rule or law consistently.

The NCAA has issued inconsistent penalties ever since they came into existence. No coach or school has ever successfully sued over inconsistent penalties. There have been successful lawsuits over the NCAA making false charges, but "false" is very different than "inconsistent".

 

[jbeard82]

The ncaa is a joke. Its worse than the corrupt people involved in boxing.
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[bamawriter]

I agree with your post overall but lying about violations at school where you are supposed to be the guy in charge to me could be a biggie. Will it be, probably not, but the potential is there.

I'm not saying it's not a big deal. It certainly should be a big deal. My dispute is with the OP's contention that it's a bigger deal than Bruce Pearl's actions.

 

[VolDad]

Quit being a jerk. You know exactly what I mean. Next.

Quit being stupid. You said, “If Tressel get's off then Pearl has to get off or has reason for lawsuit....”

I ask for the basis of a suit and you spout gibberish. I don't know what you mean; there is no basis for a suit.

 

[hohenfelsvol]

I'm not saying it's not a big deal. It certainly should be a big deal. My dispute is with the OP's contention that it's a bigger deal than Bruce Pearl's actions.

Yep

 

[tvolsfan]

The NCAA already chose not to rule them ineligible for the games they played in. The players' violations determined whether or not they'd be eligible, not Tressel's knowledge of the violation.

I suppose you're right, but I feel like ignoring your players breaking NCAA rules would be something that could get a coach in a lot of trouble.

 

[bamawriter]

I suppose you're right, but I feel like ignoring your players breaking NCAA rules would be something that could get a coach in a lot of trouble.

Think of it like this: If your buddy commits a crime, and you help him cover it up and lie to the cops, you're both going to be charged with hindering prosecution. He's going to get charged with the initial crime as well. You're likely to get a lighter sentence than your buddy, but you've still committed a crime.

In this case, you're Jim Tressel and your buddy is Bruce Pearl.

 

[tvolsfan]

Think of it like this: If your buddy commits a crime, and you help him cover it up and lie to the cops, you're both going to be charged with hindering prosecution. He's going to get charged with the initial crime as well. You're likely to get a lighter sentence than your buddy, but you've still committed a crime.

In this case, you're Jim Tressel and your buddy is Bruce Pearl.

I understand your argument, but I'm not so sure the violations (the crime in the analogy, not the denial) that were committed are necessarily equal.

 

[gorockytop101]

From the looks of it, OSU may be doing the smart thing here and firing him right away. (Assuming they have confirmed the story themselves)
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[Orlando Vol]

I'm hearing press conference at 7PM... Probably fired.

 

[gorockytop101]

I understand your argument, but I'm not so sure the violations that were committed are necessarily equal.

I think the fact that they both involve a failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance is what matters.
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[gorockytop101]

Looks like Mike Hamilton taught the country a lesson.
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[tvolsfan]

I think the fact that they both involve a failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance is what matters.
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In Bruce's case, the ethical conduct issue is what matters.

 

[Orlando Vol]

I posted in the other thread, but a good friend of mine in the know at OSU says press conference at 7PM tonight...

 

[volberry]

If he is fired then that pretty much confirms it is true. And they know how big a deal it is. They wouldn't fire Pearl for nothing.

 

[droski]

if it's true he's definetely going to get fired.

 

[tvolsfan]

I posted in the other thread, but a good friend of mine in the know at OSU says press conference at 7PM tonight...

I don't think that's a secret.

 

[tvolsfan]

I'm interested to see the evidence here.

 

[tvolsfan]

If Tressel were to get fired, that would mean Ohio State was essentially forced to fire the best two coaches in their program's history.

 

[VolsNSkinsFan]

Our sources tell us Tressel told team this morning to stand firm. Didn't get into specifics, but also did not mention stepping down.

Dennis Dodd Twitter

 

[Spartacavolus]

I would love to hear that argument.

For arguments sake, he he would have knowingly withheld information, which is basically the same as lying. His players also received $$ and tats, which is of more value than a $5 bbq sammich. These players also played in games for OSU.

 

[TUSKtimes]

Paul Finebaum twitted: : "Jim Delany just suspended Jim Tressel for the first half of Ohio State's spring game."

Man, that was harsh.

 

[cotton]

Share your thoughts. I feel if Pearl goes down for far less Tressel most certainly have to go down.

This is supposed to be a family board. I think you should reserve your questions about coaches' sexual proclivities to more appropriate forums, like a Northwestern class on human sexuality.
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