Ohio state wr coach talking about Gaurantano

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WoodsmanVol said:
Well, good luck with that, and I hope you're right. But historical evidence shows that time dims people's memory, integrity, and common sense.
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I understand what you are saying, but you are describing what happens as we Age. D White and CJH are in their 40's. Both in their Primes and I would think they have 10 to 20 years before the aging process takes hold of them. TN was being managed by a block of dinosaurs (Board and ADs) making dinosaur choices.
 
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the_todd said:
coaching is to blame for some, but a lot is on him. He was the exact same way when he transferred to Wash. St. some of you guys need to accept the fact that he just wasn’t that good of a QB. Good guy & took a beating while never once complained, but just wasn’t that good of a QB.
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Lol. Ok he transferred to Wash St. Was there good QB coaching there? You are like some others who don’t put enough emphasis on coaching. Again JG got essentially zero QB coaching for 4 years here. If you don’t think that makes a difference then you are insane.

Case in point Henson Hooker. If coaching isn’t that big of a deal then you think Hooker would have been just as elite under Pruitt right? No JG wasn’t that good of a QB here. And I believe the fact the guy had what 5 different OCs and 2 HCs and zero QB coach was the main reason.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Lol. Ok he transferred to Wash St. Was there good QB coaching there? You are like some others who don’t put enough emphasis on coaching. Again JG got essentially zero QB coaching for 4 years here. If you don’t think that makes a difference then you are insane.

Case in point Henson Hooker. If coaching isn’t that big of a deal then you think Hooker would have been just as elite under Pruitt right? No JG wasn’t that good of a QB here. And I believe the fact the guy had what 5 different OCs and 2 HCs and zero QB coach was the main reason.
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JG had a good arm and could make incredible throws if his first read was open but he processed the game slowly and never showed any ability to work the pocket. He wasn’t coached up while he was here but neither was Dobbs. The difference is Dobbs could create plays when nothing was there. JG would stand stationary in the pocket and hold the ball until he was inevitably clobbered.
 
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VOLnFLA said:
I fell into a rabbit whole of him talking on a podcast or something and he was trashing Dan mullen and had some wild stories about urban meyer. Apparently urban is a nightmare to work for.
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My brother lives in Ponte Vedra Beach, FL so his kids attend the same school as many of the players/coaches’ children. He and his family are invited to many private events, including guests for the NFL drafts, etc since they’ve paid a premium over the past 12 yrs for season tickets - 6 seats located on the first row behind the Jags’ bench.

I say this in that he sees and speaks to many w/in the organization. While my brother is a huge Buckeye fan and Jags’ fan, he is so happy Meyer is gone. I can’t believe some of the stories I’ve heard that occurred when Urban was @ Fl, Ohio State, and Jax. The person on TV isn’t the person on the field or a private event. His ego is second to none and apparently the lack of respect is an understatement.
 
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volnbama_ said:
JG had a good arm and could make incredible throws if his first read was open but he processed the game slowly and never showed any ability to work the pocket. He wasn’t coached up while he was here but neither was Dobbs. The difference is Dobbs could create plays when nothing was there. JG would stand stationary in the pocket and hold the ball until he was inevitably clobbered.
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This is my take as well. JG also had no ability to sense back side pressure, and took some vicious hits from behind. You either have that ability or you don't.
 
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JG played under some of the worst coaching that was humanly possible during his time at UT. A sad situation since I like to think he would have done much better had he been with a competent staff.

Let’s face it, if a program had set out to purposely assemble the worst coaching staffs in history, they couldn’t have done better than the Butch Jones and (especially) the Jeremy Pruitt eras.

But Urban Meyer is human filth. I don’t care what he has to say about anything. That guy was as toxic, dishonest, and narcissistic as it gets. He was covered for by the SEC conference d-bag leadership during his time at UF. The public image of Tebow helped cover for a den of criminals like Aaron Hernandez (and many others) during his tenure. Plus, each time it got a little tough because he lost his “franchise” QB, he faked health concerns and bailed. He sucks as a human and got exposed (just like Schiano) when he took his garbage self to the NFL where no one was going to tolerate his a$$clown personality.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
I understand what you are saying, but you are describing what happens as we Age. D White and CJH are in their 40's. Both in their Primes and I would think they have 10 to 20 years before the aging process takes hold of them. TN was being managed by a block of dinosaurs (Board and ADs) making dinosaur choices.
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Hope you're right. But I really am talking about the stupidity of people. We seem doomed to do the same things over and over. For now, let's just wait and see if we at least delay the cycle at the UT.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
And I would be willing to bet if JG played under that staff at OSU, he would have had a phenomenal career. I know some Vol fans on here will say otherwise. But believe it or not, coaching matters. Does ANYONE on here think Hooker would have been anything NEAR what he was under Butch? If you say yes you are lying.

Let’s face the facts. JG had better coaching at Bergen Catholic than he did at TN. And that’s a fact. This video says a lot. It says Urban Meywr and his staff thought a lot of JG. That’s not some run Of the mill coach we are talking about. Urban Meyer. Instead of playing under a real coaching staff JG played under Butch and McGump. I hate it for the guy.
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Very, very few college QBs would show anything having 4 different OCs and systems in their 5 years at a school. too much differences for any QB or roster for that matter. So yes, he lacked coaching but that would have been true at OSU also if they had a similar type amount of change.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
I understand what you are saying, but you are describing what happens as we Age. D White and CJH are in their 40's. Both in their Primes and I would think they have 10 to 20 years before the aging process takes hold of them. TN was being managed by a block of dinosaurs (Board and ADs) making dinosaur choices.
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Andy Reid is old as hell and still has the most creative offense in the NFL but I get what you're saying to a degree
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Lol. Ok he transferred to Wash St. Was there good QB coaching there? You are like some others who don’t put enough emphasis on coaching. Again JG got essentially zero QB coaching for 4 years here. If you don’t think that makes a difference then you are insane.

Case in point Henson Hooker. If coaching isn’t that big of a deal then you think Hooker would have been just as elite under Pruitt right? No JG wasn’t that good of a QB here. And I believe the fact the guy had what 5 different OCs and 2 HCs and zero QB coach was the main reason.
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So was it the lack of coaching that caused him to go rogue and do his own thing instead of running the play called by the coaches and executed by his other 10 teammates at the goal line in Tuscaloosa?

Guarantano is some poor soul with all the talent & potential in the world who was a failure totally because of everyone around him?
 
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Vol865 said:
Andy Reid is old as hell and still has the most creative offense in the NFL but I get what you're saying to a degree
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The QB helps his creative offense and flow. Right now CJH recruiting leaves me no need to question. When Danny White starts hiring the replacement coaches for those that were here before he got here, I am at least going to give him the benefit of doubt.

1 Yr - Kiffin replaced by Dooley, Dooley replaced by Jones, Jones replaced by Pruitt, Pruitt replaced by Heupel. 2 or 3 interim FB Coaches. Steele, Hoke, Chaney.
Don't forget the Schiano fly by.

If you were a recruit would you want to come here and play football based on the above coaches and indecision.

ADs Hamilton replaced by Hart, Hart replaced by Davenport, Davenport replaced by Fulmer, Fulmer replaced by White

Not even going to go into the Presidents.

This is the problem with the program and each sport has had a different AD pick them.

This is why we have failed because of turnover, indecision and a lack of control. In most cases it was the dinosaurs in the system making all the hires/fires. Total Chaos.
 
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dobre_shunka said:
So was it the lack of coaching that caused him to go rogue and do his own thing instead of running the play called by the coaches and executed by his other 10 teammates at the goal line in Tuscaloosa?

Guarantano is some poor soul with all the talent & potential in the world who was a failure totally because of everyone around him?
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So, no QB has ever called an audible that turned out to be the wrong decision other then JG?
 
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Carp said:
Dobbs did pretty well here, so yes I think Hooker would also have been successful, though not as good as he was with CJH.

Butch wasn't a terrible coach. He was just a garbage human. More NFL players drafted under him than Doofus or Cornbread.

JG just wasn't good. Nothing really to do with coaching. He might have been better in a lower conference, but he was pretty bad at Washington State too.
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Just think how productive Dobbs would be if he played in Heupel's system. And yest Lyle was a terrible coach.
 
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EasternVol said:
Just think how productive Dobbs would be if he played in Heupel's system. And yest Lyle was a terrible coach.
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Dobbs lacked Hooker's accuracy, but was more dangerous when he was the ball carrier. I'm glad they weren't competing here at the same time. We would have lost seeing one of the most exciting QBs in our history.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Sure thing conjecture king.
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You call his post conjecture and your whole premise is a hypothetical that JG would’ve been so much better with a consistent coordinator over 4 or 5 years? Come on. The only thing that isn’t conjecture is what we witnessed for 4 years. Some good (Kentucky 2019), mostly mediocre, some bad too really bad (BYU 2019,UK 2020).
 
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amaralfan1 said:
Zach Smith is sketchy AF... But nothing he said her was controversial. Smith was the grandson of Earle Bruce (who was infamously replaced at OSU by Knoxville-native John Cooper).
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John Cooper was from Powell or at least played for the Panthers
 
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Personally I love menace to sports podcast. I remember this episode with him talking about how they missed out on him and it changed the trajectory of the program and I just remember thinking god if you only knew. Nothing against jt, I just don’t think jt had it on the next level after high school
 
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MurphyVol said:
I don't think any QB would have done well under Larry Scott as OC.
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Yeah, my son and I met him our the then DC. Shoop. Shoop shook my son’s hand and made eye context throughout the conversation. Idk what happened at TN, but he I appreciated him taking 10 min of his time to speak to my then 12 yr old son.

Scott was polite but was choking down fries the entire time he was talking. It didn’t bother me as he was busy with the caravan throughout the day. But Scott didn’t come across nearly as sharp as Shoop and the difference was night and day.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
And I would be willing to bet if JG played under that staff at OSU, he would have had a phenomenal career. I know some Vol fans on here will say otherwise. But believe it or not, coaching matters. Does ANYONE on here think Hooker would have been anything NEAR what he was under Butch? If you say yes you are lying.

Let’s face the facts. JG had better coaching at Bergen Catholic than he did at TN. And that’s a fact. This video says a lot. It says Urban Meywr and his staff thought a lot of JG. That’s not some run Of the mill coach we are talking about. Urban Meyer. Instead of playing under a real coaching staff JG played under Butch and McGump. I hate it for the guy.
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Maybe, but what kills me is that he always looked amazing in practice and terrible in games. He always struck me as someone who just couldn't handle the pressure, both on and off the field.
 
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