Oklahoma's LB suspended

[UT_Dutchman]

A fair point, except Shannon was never charged with anything. DA declined to press charges, and the victim is declining to pursue as well. Since this is a title IX thing, the university has to do their own independent investigation, and apparently found him in violation of their conduct policy. Shannon is appealing this, and Stoops appears to be on his side. I guess Stoops talked to Shannon about it and feels confident enough that he didnt feel it necessary to suspend him from the team.

So the DA is obviously a sooner!

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

So you view him as a win at all costs mentality type of coach? Would your opinion change if I were to tell you that he kicked his #1 rb two years running off last year, toward the end of the season when they needed him most? Or that another example a couple years ago when wr depth was the most glaring problem, and he booted 3 receivers off the team. Anyway, what will bad PR do? I mean? Like, less recruits, less wins, touchdowns wont count? Just wondering why Stoops should care what people think. He never has and look where it's gotten him.

Sup OU fan. Welcome to the board.

No I view him as great coach, very respectable at times but he also does boneheaded moves like throwing all his standards completely out the window simply because an elite talent comes knocking.

Not sure why you think that RB thing would surprise me. I live in Texas and hear the OU side more than I'd like to. If anything I am surprised Stoops didn't reinstate him (seeing as he was the best RB). As I recall he was already suspended for a game earlier in the season, then was suspended for one more later in the season. Makes sense Stoops would remove him from the roster after multiple violations of team rules, doesn't it? Yes it does. Props to Stoops for finally putting his foot down. :crazy:

My point was simple. In the end it comes down to how good Stoops is at ignoring what a player with a criminal history has done in the (very recent) past. Apparently Stoops is better at this (ignoring criminal history) than a majority of CFB coaches. But only if they are elite players. So enjoy DGB (and from the sounds of it, your LB may not even be suspended from the football program - SHOCK!) ya criminals. :salute:

 

[UTProf]

A fair point, except Shannon was never charged with anything. DA declined to press charges, and the victim is declining to pursue as well. Since this is a title IX thing, the university has to do their own independent investigation, and apparently found him in violation of their conduct policy. Shannon is appealing this, and Stoops appears to be on his side. I guess Stoops talked to Shannon about it and feels confident enough that he didnt feel it necessary to suspend him from the team.

A lot of victims choose to go through the university rather than the courts because they know full well a trial would be traumatic (re-victimization in a lot of ways as any good defense lawyer is going to be forced to ask unpleasant question both unrelated to and related to the crime). Universities can suspend more easily and many female (and yes, some male) student victims prefer that process. I'm not sure why this one went through a Title IX investigation by the university to begin with - it could've gone though other university processes which had nothing to do with or less to do Title IX or federal law. It would've gone through a disciplinary hearing designed for such things at most places.

Universities are strange beasts legally, they're a lot like an Indian Reservation in that they have a lot of legal autonomy and they also get checked mainly by the feds rather than the state.

With DGB being welcomed on to that team, the coverup in Tallahassee, the Mixon incident, and countless other examples, a lot of victims aren't going to press charges no matter how bad it is. Because when you're a powerhouse team like OU, fans are going to come out of the woodwork, reveal her identity, spread lies, and harrass her. She's a student, IIRC, how would you feel (most female students around here are fans so I assume it's the same there) if all of sudden you were about to get blamed for ruining what could be a championship season? And really it gets worse from there.

Schools and coaches should exercise their right to boot someone when there's a preponderance of evidence and obviously there is given the Title IX result.

And FWIW, I know you don't know me, but I'd be saying the exact same thing if it were here or anywhere else. Serious accusations and crimes such as this MUST be punished by the university. Football is not a right - it's a privilege and these young men represent our respective universities. This is the sort of crime where they should lose privileges - at least for a substantial amount of time but really they should be booted and get their 2nd chance somewhere other than the place they got into serious trouble.

Drugs, drinking, petty stuff, crimes of stupidity - those are the kinda of things where punishment can be light.

 

[Midnight Toker]

Sup OU fan. Welcome to the board.

No I view him as great coach, very respectable at times but he also does boneheaded moves like throwing all his standards completely out the window simply because an elite talent comes knocking.

Not sure why you think that RB thing would surprise me. I live in Texas and hear the OU side more than I'd like to. If anything I am surprised Stoops didn't reinstate him (seeing as he was the best RB). As I recall he was already suspended for a game earlier in the season, then was suspended for one more later in the season. Makes sense Stoops would remove him from the roster after multiple violations of team rules, doesn't it? Yes it does. Props to Stoops for finally putting his foot down. :crazy:

My point was simple. In the end it comes down to how good Stoops is at ignoring what a player with a criminal history has done in the (very recent) past. Apparently Stoops is better at this (ignoring criminal history) than a majority of CFB coaches. But only if they are elite players. So enjoy DGB (and from the sounds of it, your LB may not even be suspended from the football program - SHOCK!) ya criminals. :salute:

You have to take the good with the bad. Not many people in Norman have a problem with him bringing in a guy who was never charged with anything. The way I see it, he was going somewhere, may as well be OU. There's so much more to the DGB thing than just he did what he did and stoops came calling. They had developed a relationship as he was recruited by OU for years, he has close friends on the team. Stoops talked with Pinkel and DGB and felt that between what his ex coach had to say, and with his personal knowledge of DGB himself over the years, that it was the right move. One would think if Pinkel didnt have anything good to say, Stoops would have listened. If he scores touchdowns for OU, nobody cares or will even remember this. Do you really think 10 years from now, DGB will be seen as that guy who was once kicked out of missouri? I dont either. If he gets charged, different story, that's really the only difference here. Anyway I'm only trying to illustrate that Stoops isnt just randomly going after an elite talent for the hell no matter what the deal is.

I mention the rb situation to illustrate that Stoops isnt this mercenary who just cares about winning, allowing his players to just do whatever they want. That's the narrative some other certain UT fans have (those sick, nasty ones near to where you live, you know what I"m talking about!) Im sure you know more personally than most around here at least about OU stuff being in texas. I just try to disspell this notion that Stoops is some POS guy who welcomes criminals with open arms. He's proven that he's willing to boot kids when he feels they deserve it. yes he was suspended for 1 game earlier in the season and yes there is always a reason for dismissing a player. I think the bottom line is he did it, and he reserved the right not to.

Are you under the impression that DGB is a criminal? Or Shannon (the LB)? The DA in both situations declined to press charges. Unless accusations are tantamount to guilt. Not sure how it works down in texas =). it's looking more and more like Shannon will be suspended; the university suspended him for the year back in June but he is appealing.

 

[Midnight Toker]

A lot of victims choose to go through the university rather than the courts because they know full well a trial would be traumatic (re-victimization in a lot of ways as any good defense lawyer is going to be forced to ask unpleasant question both unrelated to and related to the crime). Universities can suspend more easily and many female (and yes, some male) student victims prefer that process. I'm not sure why this one went through a Title IX investigation by the university to begin with - it could've gone though other university processes which had nothing to do with or less to do Title IX or federal law. It would've gone through a disciplinary hearing designed for such things at most places.

Universities are strange beasts legally, they're a lot like an Indian Reservation in that they have a lot of legal autonomy and they also get checked mainly by the feds rather than the state.

With DGB being welcomed on to that team, the coverup in Tallahassee, the Mixon incident, and countless other examples, a lot of victims aren't going to press charges no matter how bad it is. Because when you're a powerhouse team like OU, fans are going to come out of the woodwork, reveal her identity, spread lies, and harrass her. She's a student, IIRC, how would you feel (most female students around here are fans so I assume it's the same there) if all of sudden you were about to get blamed for ruining what could be a championship season? And really it gets worse from there.

Schools and coaches should exercise their right to boot someone when there's a preponderance of evidence and obviously there is given the Title IX result.

And FWIW, I know you don't know me, but I'd be saying the exact same thing if it were here or anywhere else. Serious accusations and crimes such as this MUST be punished by the university. Football is not a right - it's a privilege and these young men represent our respective universities. This is the sort of crime where they should lose privileges - at least for a substantial amount of time but really they should be booted and get their 2nd chance somewhere other than the place they got into serious trouble.

Drugs, drinking, petty stuff, crimes of stupidity - those are the kinda of things where punishment can be light.

Well in this particular case the 'victim' declined to press charges. She wasnt even the one who called police in the first place (allegedly). Im no lawyer, I dont know exactly why either but supposedly this is a part of the process and the university by federal law is required to perform their own investigation. Maybe this resulted from that? Dunno personally. This is done without the insistence or involvement of the victim, who, in this case declined to pursue action against Shannon.

You know, that's actually a fair point. In the Mixon deal, the girl's name got leaked and everyone knows her criminal history, her full name, and im sure have harassed her. Pretty sure she'll never step foot on campus again in fact. I am not sure what would have happened to the girl in the Winston situation, what kind of hell she'd have gone through if her name got leaked in the midst of their boy getting charges. So there's that possibility to consider. But (and i dont suggest this is what's going on) there's always the possibility of some girl wanting to get her name out there and make trouble for a player, or try to get with him and it doesnt work out so she says things. Not that it's the case, but for reasons like that we have to give the benefit of the doubt and proof someone's guilt. If the witness declines to talk, what else is there to do? Suit up and play.

 

[Midnight Toker]

So the DA is obviously a sooner!

Maybe but the Norman police chief is a longhorn, so it evens out!

 

[Spartacavolus]

Frank Shannon. Starting MLB and leading tackler, also a baller... Apparently has something to do with a sexual assault situation.

Maybe he figured the Mizzou transfer was into it.

 

[UTProf]

Hang on a sec. If he's suspended from the university, that means he's not attending classes. Bammer and Barn jokes aside, can a player who is not enrolled in or attending classes play football for the school?

For some reason, OU decided to do a Title IX investigation of this instead of using the processes that other schools often deploy and aren't directly related to to Title IX and the federal appeals that can accompany it. Because of that and OU's statement that they can't enforce their suspension from the university at this time, it would appear that not only has Shannon appealed in Federal courts but that he's also found a judge willing to grant an injunction that stays the university's suspension while the appeals process plays out. While the injunction is in place there's nothing OU (the university can do from the Title IX investigation/suspension). However, at most schools there are other processes available to suspend him without going through Title IX directly and the federal appeals process. It's odd that OU didn't use those routes but a lot of schools are under Title IX investigations for their handling of sexual assault and rape so that may have been what motivated the choice to do the full IX investigation.

Student codes can be harsh for certain charges - plagiarism can get you booted or suspended but so can things such as this. And were it a disciplinary hearing he'd have had the right to appeal but that appeal would've been made within and to another group within the university and obviously the final ruling/outcome expedited. It wouldn't go on so long that the door was open for him to play all year and attend all year while it was pending but the federal courts move at a snail's pace.

However, Stoops could suspend him if he chose to - that would effect whether or not he could play and there's no appeals process that could stay the decision like the university's choice to use Title IX created.

So yes, since there's an injunction on the university's verdict pending appeal the judge is saying he can attend until it's resolved.

 

[Lulu]

Report: Oklahoma files appeal on Dorial Green-Beckham’s behalf | CollegeFootballTalk

Hey, Okie fans...tell me some more about what a stand-up guy and super-duper disciplinarian Stoops is.

 

[butchna]

So you view him as a win at all costs mentality type of coach? Would your opinion change if I were to tell you that he kicked his #1 rb two years running off last year, toward the end of the season when they needed him most? Or that another example a couple years ago when wr depth was the most glaring problem, and he booted 3 receivers off the team. Anyway, what will bad PR do? I mean? Like, less recruits, less wins, touchdowns wont count? Just wondering why Stoops should care what people think. He never has and look where it's gotten him.



Nothing new yet. Police dept seems to be dragging their feet or they are just trying to get it right. Theyve seen the video of the incident and nobody's been arrested or charged. so that cant be bad right?



If you think the OU walking on the field against Tenn will be the same that trotted out on the field during those two games, you are sorely mistaken.



They were last year, yes. OU famously struggles when breaking in a new qb. It happened in 2009 with Landry Jones, he looked bad. And he's now the #3 or #4 all time ncaa passer. There were some struggles in 2005 breaking another new qb, and again in 1999. Coincidentally, these are the only three seasons in which a Stoops team did not win 10 games. There were times a new qb didnt have the same type of growing pains (Jason White and Sam Bradford come to mind) but they were both heisman winning qbs on teams that played for the national championship.

Really last year was a surprisingly good year going 11-2 with a tight end behind center for most of the year. They were implementing a new scheme, couldnt figure out a qb, and had two qbs who either never played or had no time to develop (Jones was a backup but only threw like 15 career passes up to that point). The point is the struggles were no surprise, but as the season went on, Knight got much better and then of course lit up the premiere program in the land. I know, I know, you like to say they didnt show up. But you must not have watched that game, and how hard they were playing and how well they were playing against OU in the beginning. They didnt know they were in for a game until OU punched them in the mouth. And puhlease, dont try to convince me they werent playing, because if you go back and look at the replays, or even at a 20 min highlight video you will see and its pretty clear that they were putting out effort and they wanted to win that game. Body language, the sideline chatter, the big plays, just the way they were playing, it was clear they wanted to win. They just didnt think OU was on their level and were proven otherwise. No big deal really. They shook things up and got Kiffin. Maybe if youre lucky you can be within a few touchdowns this year.

Wayyyyy tldr !!!

 

[Catbone]

Report: Oklahoma files appeal on Dorial Green-Beckham’s behalf | CollegeFootballTalk

Hey, Okie fans...tell me some more about what a stand-up guy and super-duper disciplinarian Stoops is.

I hate OU more and more everyday

 

[UTProf]

Well in this particular case the 'victim' declined to press charges. She wasnt even the one who called police in the first place (allegedly). Im no lawyer, I dont know exactly why either but supposedly this is a part of the process and the university by federal law is required to perform their own investigation. Maybe this resulted from that? Dunno personally. This is done without the insistence or involvement of the victim, who, in this case declined to pursue action against Shannon.

You know, that's actually a fair point. In the Mixon deal, the girl's name got leaked and everyone knows her criminal history, her full name, and im sure have harassed her. Pretty sure she'll never step foot on campus again in fact. I am not sure what would have happened to the girl in the Winston situation, what kind of hell she'd have gone through if her name got leaked in the midst of their boy getting charges. So there's that possibility to consider. But (and i dont suggest this is what's going on) there's always the possibility of some girl wanting to get her name out there and make trouble for a player, or try to get with him and it doesnt work out so she says things. Not that it's the case, but for reasons like that we have to give the benefit of the doubt and proof someone's guilt.

If it happened on campus and OU was informed of it - say OPD was called (don't know if that's the name of your campus police or not) then the university has a duty to followup. There may be weird Title IX things that compelled OU to do a Title IX investigation - if they've had warnings on it in the past, if they're worried about all the schools currently being investigated for poor handling of campus rape, if there's a new clause in there or even OU's policy that covers athletes involved in these accusations or any number of individual quirks they'd have incentive to do a full title IX. Right now, universities from Ivies to football schools are under federal investigation because academia has done a very poor job handling assault cases so OU may have wanted to be proactive in doing a Title IX investigation.

That said, OU may have disciplinary boards this could go through. A lot of that, who is on those boards, as well as the powers of these boards varies. But most schools can suspend you or even dismiss you through this process and while you can appeal any guilty verdict and sometimes get the punishment lowered it's not the same as the federal courts or criminal justice system. Those student codes cover stuff like this and even though most don't read the student manual if you are charged with not following the student codes/code of behavior you can easily be suspended/booted from school. The downside of this process is that depending on how it's setup, if it's solely a student led disciplinary board, is that OU could come across looking horrible if the mainly Greek run boards like this let a football player get away with it.

If the witness declines to talk, what else is there to do? Suit up and play.

If this were a court of law or 'civilian' life we're talking about then that might be logical to a degree. However, this is college and while it appears she wants no part of a criminal trial, it also appears she's talked to investigators and provided evidence/statements - those are enough in the university system to present a case but aren't enough in criminal court because of the right to face the accuser (another thing that makes victims not want to testify when it comes to crimes like this as it means they have to relive it on the stand and with a defense attorney asking questions that are often horrible and traumatic for someone who is still in recovery). BUT all students are bound by the various honor codes and student rules and subject to university discipline. Students along with faculty are held to a higher standard of behavior in order to remain in good stranding with the university than anyone is held in a court of law (much like those at corporations are - faculty members have moral turpitude clauses which basically translates to bringing scandal/disgrace to the university).

Student-athletes, faculty, staff, club members, frat/sorority members on official functions, band members etc. are also held to a higher standard than regular students because they are representatives of the university and what they do effects the university both legally and PR wise far more than what a random student does. It's also a privilege to be a member of any of these groups and one that can be rescinded. Just like those on scholarship can have their aid pulled if they fall below a certain GPA - anyone involved in representing the university is subject to a higher standard and can and often DO get kicked off their respective teams, clubs, and positions.

The exception to this is all too often football players because for those of us at powerhouses football rules the roost but between the Federal Investigations into universities right now and the fact that more stories come out regularly that's changed at most schools. Stoops needs to either suspend or boot him not just because it's the right thing to do but also because guys like this build a culture in the locker room that will eventually explode.

With OU's decision to suspend for a year,. Stoops needs to take the high road here badly. I doubt it will hurt OU football at any rate.

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

You have to take the good with the bad. Not many people in Norman have a problem with him bringing in a guy who was never charged with anything. The way I see it, he was going somewhere, may as well be OU. There's so much more to the DGB thing than just he did what he did and stoops came calling. They had developed a relationship as he was recruited by OU for years, he has close friends on the team. Stoops talked with Pinkel and DGB and felt that between what his ex coach had to say, and with his personal knowledge of DGB himself over the years, that it was the right move. One would think if Pinkel didnt have anything good to say, Stoops would have listened. If he scores touchdowns for OU, nobody cares or will even remember this. Do you really think 10 years from now, DGB will be seen as that guy who was once kicked out of missouri? I dont either. If he gets charged, different story, that's really the only difference here. Anyway I'm only trying to illustrate that Stoops isnt just randomly going after an elite talent for the hell no matter what the deal is.

I mention the rb situation to illustrate that Stoops isnt this mercenary who just cares about winning, allowing his players to just do whatever they want. That's the narrative some other certain UT fans have (those sick, nasty ones near to where you live, you know what I"m talking about!) Im sure you know more personally than most around here at least about OU stuff being in texas. I just try to disspell this notion that Stoops is some POS guy who welcomes criminals with open arms. He's proven that he's willing to boot kids when he feels they deserve it. yes he was suspended for 1 game earlier in the season and yes there is always a reason for dismissing a player. I think the bottom line is he did it, and he reserved the right not to.

Are you under the impression that DGB is a criminal? Or Shannon (the LB)? The DA in both situations declined to press charges. Unless accusations are tantamount to guilt. Not sure how it works down in texas =). it's looking more and more like Shannon will be suspended; the university suspended him for the year back in June but he is appealing.

I am under the impression that DGB is probably a ****ty human being. He forced his way into an apartment that he was not welcome at (breaking and entering, trespassing). He pushed a girl down the stairs (assault). He then drug his girlfriend out the door by the neck (assault). The victim quote did not want to press charges because "she was afraid of the media and community backlash." But yeah keep believing he's innocent simply because charges weren't filed. Charges were not filed because the girl was afraid. Another example of a prominent athlete using his reputation as leverage to get out of a criminal charge.

 

[Midnight Toker]

If it happened on campus and OU was informed of it - say OPD was called (don't know if that's the name of your campus police or not) then the university has a duty to followup. There may be weird Title IX things that compelled OU to do a Title IX investigation - if they've had warnings on it in the past, if they're worried about all the schools currently being investigated for poor handling of campus rape, if there's a new clause in there or even OU's policy that covers athletes involved in these accusations or any number of individual quirks they'd have incentive to do a full title IX. Right now, universities from Ivies to football schools are under federal investigation because academia has done a very poor job handling assault cases so OU may have wanted to be proactive in doing a Title IX investigation.

That said, OU may have disciplinary boards this could go through. A lot of that, who is on those boards, as well as the powers of these boards varies. But most schools can suspend you or even dismiss you through this process and while you can appeal any guilty verdict and sometimes get the punishment lowered it's not the same as the federal courts or criminal justice system. Those student codes cover stuff like this and even though most don't read the student manual if you are charged with not following the student codes/code of behavior you can easily be suspended/booted from school. The downside of this process is that depending on how it's setup, if it's solely a student led disciplinary board, is that OU could come across looking horrible if the mainly Greek run boards like this let a football player get away with it.



If this were a court of law or 'civilian' life we're talking about then that might be logical to a degree. However, this is college and while it appears she wants no part of a criminal trial, it also appears she's talked to investigators and provided evidence/statements - those are enough in the university system to present a case but aren't enough in criminal court because of the right to face the accuser (another thing that makes victims not want to testify when it comes to crimes like this as it means they have to relive it on the stand and with a defense attorney asking questions that are often horrible and traumatic for someone who is still in recovery). BUT all students are bound by the various honor codes and student rules and subject to university discipline. Students along with faculty are held to a higher standard of behavior in order to remain in good stranding with the university than anyone is held in a court of law (much like those at corporations are - faculty members have moral turpitude clauses which basically translates to bringing scandal/disgrace to the university).

Student-athletes, faculty, staff, club members, frat/sorority members on official functions, band members etc. are also held to a higher standard than regular students because they are representatives of the university and what they do effects the university both legally and PR wise far more than what a random student does. It's also a privilege to be a member of any of these groups and one that can be rescinded. Just like those on scholarship can have their aid pulled if they fall below a certain GPA - anyone involved in representing the university is subject to a higher standard and can and often DO get kicked off their respective teams, clubs, and positions.

The exception to this is all too often football players because for those of us at powerhouses football rules the roost but between the Federal Investigations into universities right now and the fact that more stories come out regularly that's changed at most schools. Stoops needs to either suspend or boot him not just because it's the right thing to do but also because guys like this build a culture in the locker room that will eventually explode.

With OU's decision to suspend for a year,. Stoops needs to take the high road here badly. I doubt it will hurt OU football at any rate.

I dont disagree, I only know what I read about the incident not having talked to Shannon or the alleged victim myself. If the university board found that he was in violation, then there was probably enough information or evidence to prove it and if he has to sit for a year to pay for his misconduct, so be it, i would accept that. At this point, since it went the way it did, his interest is actually protected by the law so even if Stoops the AD, or even Boren (president) wanted to boot him, they cant yet, not until a judge rules on things. OU would take a hit if he doesnt play but it wont be the end of the world.

I am under the impression that DGB is probably a ****ty human being. He forced his way into an apartment that he was not welcome at (breaking and entering, trespassing). He pushed a girl down the stairs (assault). He then drug his girlfriend out the door by the neck (assault). The victim quote did not want to press charges because "she was afraid of the media and community backlash." But yeah keep believing he's innocent simply because charges weren't filed. Charges were not filed because the girl was afraid. Another example of a prominent athlete using his reputation as leverage to get out of a criminal charge.

He might be, but does a single incident of alleged violence define who you are? I never went as far as he did, but i know I've yelled at and had to restrain myself when my girl did some stuff that would make any reasonable man angry. I regretted some things I said, and it doesnt in any way reflect who i am, but my mood at the time. Not defending his alleged actions, but lets say 10 years goes by and he never does anything like that ever again, do you still think he's a ****ty human being? Guess it doesnt matter really. Keep in mind those are all allegations, we dont know how much of that actually happened, and how much of it was embellished by a pissed off girl angry at her boyfriend. This is why we have a justice system so the accuser can lay out all the details of what happened. Its not his fault she declined to pursue charges and he wasnt hiding behind anything. It was her choice, not his. I can appreciate why she wouldnt, but what are you gonna do when someone says they dont want to press charges? Tell me this, isnt at all possible that someone might be involved in an incident, perhaps embellish some of the facts to make the other person look bad but when they have to swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth in court, they decide they dont want to press charges?

Again, I never said I was defending him or thought he was innocent, or even that she is lying or is embellishing. Im saying we have a justice system for stuff like this and every citizen is entitled to due process are we not?

 

[Midnight Toker]

I hate OU more and more everyday

You're really going to hate them in a month

 

[Vol4life25]

You're really going to hate them in a month

I Hurd things differently, you might want to leave tennessee Malone in this one and stay in your Lane. You need to stick with playing those North school's. I'd hold on to your Johnson though, it's goin be a Berry bumpy ride. OU doesn't have Sutton on UT.

 

[Midnight Toker]

I Hurd things differently, you might want to leave tennessee Malone in this one and stay in your Lane. You need to stick with playing those North school's. I'd hold on to your Johnson though, it's goin be a Berry bumpy ride. OU doesn't have Sutton on UT.

I see what you did there.

I Grant you this, you Mayfield a good team but it'll definitely be a Savage and bumpy Knight for the vols. You will get your Bell rung by an OU team who is very Young, the Hardaway, as OU's attack dogs are ferocious as a German Shepherd, forming an unbreakable Bond that feels like being hit by a Ford truck, or a coordinated bombing Strike(r). OU is very Quick, will give no Favors; dont be surprised they give you a dirty Sanchez and take you to the woodShead. Dont Wade around in the water, grab your Phillips screwdriver, you may as well start praying to St. John now.

So come smell the Flowers and experience a little Norman Justice. I predict Tenn will have to score 35 points Orso to win this one.

Okay I'm done.

 

[butchna]

I see what you did there.

I Grant you this, you Mayfield a good team but it'll definitely be a Savage and bumpy Knight for the vols. You will get your Bell rung by an OU team who is very Young, the Hardaway, as OU's attack dogs are ferocious as a German Shepherd, forming an unbreakable Bond that feels like being hit by a Ford truck, or a coordinated bombing Strike(r). OU is very Quick, will give no Favors; dont be surprised they give you a dirty Sanchez and take you to the woodShead. Dont Wade around in the water, grab your Phillips screwdriver, you may as well start praying to St. John now.

So come smell the Flowers and experience a little Norman Justice. I predict Tenn will have to score 35 points Orso to win this one.

Okay I'm done.

DGB is going to rape every one of your fans? :unsure:...I don't want to play anymore. :gone:

 

[Midnight Toker]

I want to see him rape the end zone with touchdowns

 

[butchna]

I want to see him rape the end zone with touchdowns

Disturbing visual...Dust Bowl relic? :ermm: