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#76
#76
cncchris33 said:
Uros is 23 years old. His development is what it is, at this point.
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There’s plenty of guys that continued to improve in the NBA after 23 years of age. You may be right and what we’re seeing with Uros is as good as it’s going to get. However, I don’t think his age means he can’t improve. I still contend his biggest shortcoming is between his ears as he doesn’t play to his height / size. JMO
 
#78
#78
walkenvol said:
There’s plenty of guys that continued to improve in the NBA after 23 years of age. You may be right and what we’re seeing with Uros is as good as it’s going to get. However, I don’t think his age means he can’t improve. I still contend his biggest shortcoming is between his ears as he doesn’t play to his height / size. JMO
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I agree with your last statement. I'm just not sure how you reprogram that.
 
#80
#80
cncchris33 said:
I'm talking about his skill and IQ development.
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He still needs to adjust to the elite newcomers every year. Since he’s not going to be a regular starter he probably doesn’t get to scrimmage a lot with KC (Or Keon or Springer). His timing did look pretty good at times today though.
 
#81
#81
Thunder Good-Oil said:
He still needs to adjust to the elite newcomers every year. Since he’s not going to be a regular starter he probably doesn’t get to scrimmage a lot with KC (Or Keon or Springer). His timing did look pretty good at times today though.
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Yeah, he had moments, today, where he displayed some good hands. My biggest issue is with his rebounding and his lack of defensive discipline. At 7-foot, two rebounds in 13 minutes is pretty paltry. That should be his primary focus at his size.
 
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#84
#84
cncchris33 said:
Yeah, he had moments, today, where he displayed some good hands. My biggest issue is with his rebounding and his lack of defensive discipline. At 7-foot, two rebounds in 13 minutes is pretty paltry. That should be his primary focus at his size.
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And one of those rebounds was not earned at all. He simply turned around and the ball about hit him in the face so he had no choice but to catch it. No offensive rebounder in his zip code on that play. People talking about his "development" but the problem is that he has been in a major college program long enough to see that the issues that have not improved are limitations at this point. Yes some 23 year old players continue to develop a lot after the age of 23. Those players are far from the peak of their talents. His physical limitations are what they are at this point and I do not see any way he makes substantial progress. We are talking about his ability to play against the best of the best in D1 basketball. It is not a slap in the face that he is not able to contribute at that level. MOST EVERYONE is not able to. He is getting a free education and is a great teammate. He is an asset to the program off the floor.
 
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#85
#85
therickbol said:
And one of those rebounds was not earned at all. He simply turned around and the ball about hit him in the face so he had no choice but to catch it. No offensive rebounder in his zip code on that play. People talking about his "development" but the problem is that he has been in a major college program long enough to see that the issues that have not improved are limitations at this point. Yes some 23 year old players continue to develop a lot after the age of 23. Those players are far from the peak of their talents. His physical limitations are what they are at this point and I do not see any way he makes substantial progress. We are talking about his ability to play against the best of the best in D1 basketball. It is not a slap in the face that he is not able to contribute at that level. MOST EVERYONE is not able to. He is getting a free education and is a great teammate. He is an asset to the program off the floor.
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Rebounds that fall into a players hands count, but when a player boxes out an opponent giving an easy rebound to a teammate he isn’t credited with any stat even if his effort is the reason that his team grabbed the rebound.
 
#86
#86
In UP's defense (sorta), I have often seen him slap a ball to a teammate and he doesn't get credit for that.

Still, I agree we can only afford to play him when we need an "enforcer" type to wear on an opponent, even though he does play soft.
 
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#87
#87
orangemadam said:
In UP's defense (sorta), I have often seen him slap a ball to a teammate and he doesn't get credit for that.

Still, I agree we can only afford to play him when we need an "enforcer" type to wear on an opponent, even though he does play soft.
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That was an excellent play by the much maligned Uros. He also had a superb assist. He handles the ball very well for somebody his size. Even in transition.
 
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#89
#89
cardvolfan said:
That “slap” to his teammate for the basket was pretty crafty.
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He’s just heavy footed. He might work well in a zone defense under the basket while ZZZ and KC are on the court together. Plus he can return for 2 more years after the current one. The hateful comments about him are dumb. Even with it being his 3rd year, he hasn’t logged a ton of minutes. He will get better as he becomes more comfortable playing in front of fans. He won’t be stealing minutes from BHH and as Aidoo progresses Uros likely surrenders his minutes with a great attitude about his role. As erratic as refs are calling fouls, experienced depth is great to have.
 
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#90
#90
orangemadam said:
In UP's defense (sorta), I have often seen him slap a ball to a teammate and he doesn't get credit for that.

Still, I agree we can only afford to play him when we need an "enforcer" type to wear on an opponent, even though he does play soft.
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Interesting, I would’ve assumed the one slapping it out would get credit for the rebound, similar to how a player poking out the ball from the opponent before a teammate grabs it gets credit for the steal
 
#91
#91
Vol49er said:
Interesting, I would’ve assumed the one slapping it out would get credit for the rebound, similar to how a player poking out the ball from the opponent before a teammate grabs it gets credit for the steal
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I’d think that both are judgement calls. Having control might be a deciding factor. Are you sure about the steal scenario? What if the ball bounces around off of multiple players? Seems like the one that actually ends up controlling the loose ball should get the credit for a steal. What if the dribbler loses the handle and his defender just wildly slaps at a ball that is already being fumbled?
 
#92
#92
Thunder Good-Oil said:
I’d think that both are judgement calls. Having control might be a deciding factor. Are you sure about the steal scenario? What if the ball bounces around off of multiple players? Seems like the one that actually ends up controlling the loose ball should get the credit for a steal. What if the dribbler loses the handle and his defender just wildly slaps at a ball that is already being fumbled?
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I’m not sure. That’s just how I’ve seen it done. Imma see if I can find something definitive

Seems like that’s definitely how steals are counted in the NBA, with the player who caused the disruption getting credit even if they don’t end up with the ball. I’d assume the same for CBB but don’t see anything confirming that
 
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