One of the things that really gets me....

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with the new staff is somehow they seem to think that they can slow play prospects and get on them later. It's really amazing how things have worked out on the QB front because of this. I have said it once before, that if you are going to take 2 QB's or any other position for that matter, if one of the guys you consider a #2 is ready to commit, then you take him and let the other #2's know that they need to wait and see. This way, if want to slow play the #1 guys and wait at least you have a backup plan already in place and you don't have to try and scramble and make it look like you are in trouble. I realize this is a weak class of QB's, but with a glaring need and no one committed it makes you wonder. They should have also offered most of these guys at camp so when the prospects left they would be on cloud nine and would be VERY happy they came. Maybe I am reading too much into this, but I think it shows some of the rust these guys have in recruiting QB's. Kiffin and Chaney have recruited QB's before, but they also had teams that were considered offensive juggernauts during the time they were there. I think we will get a QB, but honestly I have NO CLUE who it will be. If Scroggins somehow miraculously commits, I will be at an all day buffet of crow. Have a good evening VN. :hi:
 
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That will be the best crow you ever ate. The kind of crow that has you smiling like the first time you left Virginia.:)
 
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No offense, but I would leave the recruiting strategy to the professionals. You can question them when we lose games....or even when the recruits sign somewhere else in February.
 
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It really is alarming. You just can't expect to do great things in the SEC without at least an average QB.
 
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cwil74` said:
No offense, but I would leave the recruiting strategy to the professionals. You can question them when we lose games....or even when the recruits sign somewhere else in February.
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I can question them anytime I would like to, and so can anyone else for that matter. They maybe great recruiters, but something doesn't add up in the QB recruiting department and if I differ with their strategy, does it really matter??
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
with the new staff is somehow they seem to think that they can slow play prospects and get on them later. It's really amazing how things have worked out on the QB front because of this. I have said it once before, that if you are going to take 2 QB's or any other position for that matter, if one of the guys you consider a #2 is ready to commit, then you take him and let the other #2's know that they need to wait and see. This way, if want to slow play the #1 guys and wait at least you have a backup plan already in place and you don't have to try and scramble and make it look like you are in trouble. I realize this is a weak class of QB's, but with a glaring need and no one committed it makes you wonder. They should have also offered most of these guys at camp so when the prospects left they would be on cloud nine and would be VERY happy they came. Maybe I am reading too much into this, but I think it shows some of the rust these guys have in recruiting QB's. Kiffin and Chaney have recruited QB's before, but they also had teams that were considered offensive juggernauts during the time they were there. I think we will get a QB, but honestly I have NO CLUE who it will be. If Scroggins somehow miraculously commits, I will be at an all day buffet of crow. Have a good evening VN. :hi:
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I agree. I was one saying a couple months ago "dont worry about the QB situation, this staff will get us a QB"....now, I am not very sure about that at all. We screwed up by not offering Chase sooner. Like you said, ALL of our eggs are in the Scroggins basket an that situation isnt looking so good either. Hopefuly we have a great year offensively, Crompton has a break out All-SEC type of year and one of the highly rated QB's deicdes to de-commit and come here. Lot of "ifs" in that scenario though.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I can question them anytime I would like to, and so can anyone else for that matter. They maybe great recruiters, but something doesn't add up in the QB recruiting department and if I differ with their strategy, does it really matter??
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Yeah, you can question them anytime you want. I was just phrasing my opinion that way.
 
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cwil74` said:
No offense, but I would leave the recruiting strategy to the professionals. You can question them when we lose games....or even when the recruits sign somewhere else in February.
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We can question them when they let go of a 4-star QB,because he doesn't "fit" the system and then offer Barry Brunetti.
 
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Burger said:
Orgeron built the Ole Miss teams, I wouldnt question them.
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It could be argued it was Nutt's coaching ability that allowed those players to succeed as well.....just sayin. I am more than happy with the recruiting of every other position with the exception of QB.....and that just so happens to be a HUGE need for us this year. It is almost like this staff thought all the big time guys would be falling all over each other to play here, and that hasnt happened at all, so we have missed on all the 2nd tier guys as well.
 
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All the questioning is based on random speculation and star ratings. Orgeron built last years Ole Miss teams on 3 star recruits and a transfer QB. Sound familiar?

Also, the miracle of the top 10 class they pulled in 09 gave them plenty of slack from me.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
with the new staff is somehow they seem to think that they can slow play prospects and get on them later. It's really amazing how things have worked out on the QB front because of this. I have said it once before, that if you are going to take 2 QB's or any other position for that matter, if one of the guys you consider a #2 is ready to commit, then you take him and let the other #2's know that they need to wait and see. This way, if want to slow play the #1 guys and wait at least you have a backup plan already in place and you don't have to try and scramble and make it look like you are in trouble. I realize this is a weak class of QB's, but with a glaring need and no one committed it makes you wonder. They should have also offered most of these guys at camp so when the prospects left they would be on cloud nine and would be VERY happy they came. Maybe I am reading too much into this, but I think it shows some of the rust these guys have in recruiting QB's. Kiffin and Chaney have recruited QB's before, but they also had teams that were considered offensive juggernauts during the time they were there. I think we will get a QB, but honestly I have NO CLUE who it will be. If Scroggins somehow miraculously commits, I will be at an all day buffet of crow. Have a good evening VN. :hi:
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Too me it all comes down to simple logic that you learn in kindergarten... a bird in the hand beats two in the bush.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Too me it all comes down to simple logic that you learn in kindergarten... a bird in the hand beats two in the bush.
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Which is exactly why I don't understand the silence on Lamaison. Why not let every know he is coming and that they feel he can make some kind of impact?? If he's not or if he is, just let us know.
 
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cwil74` said:
All the questioning is based on random speculation and star ratings. Orgeron built last years Ole Miss teams on 3 star recruits and a transfer QB. Sound familiar?

Also, the miracle of the top 10 class they pulled in 09 gave them plenty of slack from me.
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His "transfer QB" was a former 4-5* prospect the year before as well, and was only transferring because of PT....not some off field or academic issue. I know the Boyd issue is a dead horse....but I just cant see, especially now, telling him he wasnt good enough for our system then we turn around and offer Brunetti.
 
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BuckeyeVols said:
His "transfer QB" was a former 4-5* prospect the year before as well, and was only transferring because of PT....not some off field or academic issue. I know the Boyd issue is a dead horse....but I just cant see, especially now, telling him he wasnt good enough for our system then we turn around and offer Brunetti.
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Brunetti is just a better prospect, IMO. At the Super 7 he was reported to be the best at mechanics and the most fluid.
 
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patience is a virtue...


Who knows, we win a few games and suddenly the Boston winters dont look so great to the Cali kid
 
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BuckeyeVols said:
It could be argued it was Nutt's coaching ability that allowed those players to succeed as well.....just sayin. I am more than happy with the recruiting of every other position with the exception of QB.....and that just so happens to be a HUGE need for us this year. It is almost like this staff thought all the big time guys would be falling all over each other to play here, and that hasnt happened at all, so we have missed on all the 2nd tier guys as well.
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What I noticed with the 2002-2004 recruiting class is that a staggered amount of 4-5 star QBs are successful. We can get a 3 star and make him a success.
 
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BuckeyeVols said:
His "transfer QB" was a former 4-5* prospect the year before as well, and was only transferring because of PT....not some off field or academic issue. I know the Boyd issue is a dead horse....but I just cant see, especially now, telling him he wasnt good enough for our system then we turn around and offer Brunetti.
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Coach Kiffin made a mistake in letting Boyd go.I know that is a dead subject but he shouldn't pretend like it was part of a bigger plan that hasn't gone wrong.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Brunetti is just a better prospect, IMO. At the Super 7 he was reported to be the best at mechanics and the most fluid.
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But he is WAY more of a "dual threat" type QB than Boyd was, and that was supposedly the reason we didnt want Boyd. I dunno...if we had him or Petty this situation we are in now wouldn't suck near as bad.
 
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It is obvious the staff slow played it, won't question that. But it is pretty easy to see why they did it. You can't blame the coaches for going head on for their top prospect at the time. The main selling point afterall was early playing time, at least that is pretty assumed, I won't pretend to know what the coaches say to recruits. Trying to get a top prospect first plays into that, getting a sub-prime quarterback first could be seen as a major hampering to getting top pick.

Doesn't seem like it played out very well but the reason why isn't anyone fault I would say. After all good intentions......

But like everyone is saying no need to panic there are still some good quarterbacks out there including some no one really knows about yet, also it ain't over until they sign which this staff proved last signing day.
 
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