One of the things that really gets me....

#51
#51
kptvol said:
It's not like these guys have only 5 offers. If the staff was pissing everyone off, UT would not be mentioned among the few teams elite prospects are considering.
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Kids can name Top 5's all day long right now, but when it comes to December and January, are we going to be up there then?? That's when you'll see the real interest level in us from these kids. Also, we haven't even got to really visit with most of these kids so we could go to the Top 2 or 3 then. I think it's too early to try and gauge those kids interest that have us in a Top 5 and not a Top 2-3, IMO.
 
#52
#52
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Kids can name Top 5's all day long right now, but when it comes to December and January, are we going to be up there then?? That's when you'll see the real interest level in us from these kids. Also, we haven't even got to really visit with most of these kids so we could go to the Top 2 or 3 then. I think it's too early to try and gauge those kids interest that have us in a Top 5 and not a Top 2-3, IMO.
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You're claiming the staff is pissing them off. That would result in immediate loss of interest. If I piss you off now, will you wait till December to do anything about it?
 
#53
#53
kptvol said:
You're claiming the staff is pissing them off. That would result in immediate loss of interest. If I piss you off now, will you wait till December to do anything about it?
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Really amazing how Rettig blew us off after being so interested, isn't it?? I think this staff needs to remember that they haven't proven anything yet and they aren't USC or any other high profile program at this point. BTW, I never said they pissed anyone off, I not sure why your reading that into this. All that's meant by that is the fact that they could have offered right after camp and got their guy, instead they may have second guessed or been divided as a staff with him, which I believe the latter is true. Still though, they dropped the ball with a guy they offered late and according to some he wasn't the player they wanted. Still though, I maintain that if you offer a guy then you believe he can play for you in some compacity. Even if you want to make him wait, offer him WAY before they did so that way he's at least a backup plan.
 
#57
#57
I think Lane Kiffin needs to run himself through with a sword to save face. He has embarrassed the university!!!!!!
 
#58
#58
kptvol said:
Again, so who are we trying to save face with?
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Probably Rettig himself, like I said there's too many things that could be the case that I'm not going to say one way or another. It's just funny that when Scroggins said he was going to wait and then Rettig was going to commit to BC that all of a sudden he gets an offer. They had to play some type of damage control (that's a better way to say it :)).
 
#59
#59
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Probably Rettig himself, like I said there's too many things that could be the case that I'm not going to say one way or another. It's just funny that when Scroggins said he was going to wait and then Rettig was going to commit to BC that all of a sudden he gets an offer. They had to play some type of damage control (that's a better way to say it :)).
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I don't see what's wrong with that strategy. If they weren't ready to take him, give him a little something to keep him interested and away from BC.
 
#60
#60
kptvol said:
I don't see what's wrong with that strategy. If they weren't ready to take him, give him a little something to keep him interested and away from BC.
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See though, it's only a matter of time before you tempt the bear long enough and he eats you. Why not have a #2 already on board?? Sure makes waiting on a #1 MUCH easier.
 
#61
#61
Sorry it didn't work, I tried to post a picture of Chip in Animal House saying All is well! Could have been funny but I failed!
 
#62
#62
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Not really. I have read to many articles on different sites to see that it's July and if even if we are in someone's Top 5 it doesn't mean much if anything at this point. I have seen too many Top 5's change to believe otherwise. I would put Top 3 as the limit to gauge a recruits interest in us here at this point in time. Also, most of the time the bottom 3 of a Top 5 changes more often than the Top 2. Like I said, it's July also.
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i like reading your thoughts, but in this board i've been confused. why would they have a top 5 if they were only deciding between 2? and i'm just wondering how many stars ol' crompton had by his name:ermm: maybe they will come in handy this year... i'm not real worried about the qb we get. tom brady wouldnt fit a west coast system the best being a long ball thrower even though he's more than excelled with the pats and randy so as CLK says "we want someone to fit our system"
 
#63
#63
thestrip said:
i like reading your thoughts, but in this board i've been confused. why would they have a top 5 if they were only deciding between 2? and i'm just wondering how many stars ol' crompton had by his name:ermm: maybe they will come in handy this year... i'm not real worried about the qb we get. tom brady wouldnt fit a west coast system the best being a long ball thrower even though he's more than excelled with the pats and randy so as CLK says "we want someone to fit our system"
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Because that's just the way it works. That's typical number they cut to before the fall. Does that mean all 5 are in it?? Not really, because with success and failures of the teams they are considering that Top 5 could change before December.
 
#64
#64
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Because that's just the way it works. That's typical number they cut to before the fall. Does that mean all 5 are in it?? Not really, because with success and failures of the teams they are considering that Top 5 could change before December.
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You can't just make a broad statement like that and imply that it applies to every recruit. That may be true some of the time, but there are plenty of recruits who have legitimate interest in all of their top 5 schools.
 
#65
#65
jjay2518 said:
You can't just make a broad statement like that and imply that it applies to every recruit. That may be true some of the time, but there are plenty of recruits who have legitimate interest in all of their top 5 schools.
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I can't tell you one that I have followed in the past few years that didn't change their Top 5 at some point in time before December/January. It changes because of many things. If it was that definitive, then we could say that the 5 schools they visit are all in contention for their services. That isn't true either, therefore, if your going to put a lot of stock in Top 5's, then your setting yourself up for disappointment. Especially this time of year.
 
#66
#66
g8terh8ter_eric said:
I can't tell you one that I have followed in the past few years that didn't change their Top 5 at some point in time before December/January. It changes because of many things. If it was that definitive, then we could say that the 5 schools they visit are all in contention for their services. That isn't true either, therefore, if your going to put a lot of stock in Top 5's, then your setting yourself up for disappointment. Especially this time of year.
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Dude, no one is saying we are going to land or even have a real good shot at all of the guys that list us in their top 5. But if they are listing us at all then we are on their minds and I would consider that interest. To say that unless we are in a prospects top 2, they aren't interested in us is just incorrect. That just doesn't make any sense, Eric.
 
#67
#67
Sabanocchio said:
Dude, no one is saying we are going to land or even have a real good shot at all of the guys that list us in their top 5. But if they are listing us at all then we are on their minds and I would consider that interest. To say that unless we are in a prospects top 2, they aren't interested in us is just incorrect. That just doesn't make any sense, Eric.
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I just don't think unless you make the Top 3, that a kid is "seriously" considering you. That's my opinion though.
 
#68
#68
g8terh8ter_eric said:
with the new staff is somehow they seem to think that they can slow play prospects and get on them later. It's really amazing how things have worked out on the QB front because of this. I have said it once before, that if you are going to take 2 QB's or any other position for that matter, if one of the guys you consider a #2 is ready to commit, then you take him and let the other #2's know that they need to wait and see. This way, if want to slow play the #1 guys and wait at least you have a backup plan already in place and you don't have to try and scramble and make it look like you are in trouble. I realize this is a weak class of QB's, but with a glaring need and no one committed it makes you wonder. They should have also offered most of these guys at camp so when the prospects left they would be on cloud nine and would be VERY happy they came. Maybe I am reading too much into this, but I think it shows some of the rust these guys have in recruiting QB's. Kiffin and Chaney have recruited QB's before, but they also had teams that were considered offensive juggernauts during the time they were there. I think we will get a QB, but honestly I have NO CLUE who it will be. If Scroggins somehow miraculously commits, I will be at an all day buffet of crow. Have a good evening VN. :hi:
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There are two different philosophies when it comes to recruiting and it doesn't apply to football only. Do you have a list that you run down and wait for the really good players at the top? Or do you take a solid player and have the risk of running out of room towards the end? For instance, do we take Tyler Robinson who will be a solid player, or do we wait on a bigger fish?
 
#69
#69
g8terh8ter_eric said:
I just don't think unless you make the Top 3, that a kid is "seriously" considering you. That's my opinion though.
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I don't see how you could possibly come to that conclusion. When you realize the contact that goes on with the schools in your top 5 -- the emails, the phone calls, the official visits, ect. it is certainly legitimate interest.
 
#70
#70
g8terh8ter_eric said:
See though, it's only a matter of time before you tempt the bear long enough and he eats you. Why not have a #2 already on board?? Sure makes waiting on a #1 MUCH easier.
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#2 wasn't nearly as important as #1 and therefore expendable.
 
#73
#73
Sabanocchio said:
In the scenario that unfolded, a #2 early in the process would have eventually been our #1.
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Hendrix? I could see how his recruitment could rub people the wrong way, but I think he might have been a guy that would have kept Scroggins away.
 
#75
#75
I think the staffs problem started when they put all the eggs in Heaps basket. Yes, they offered Scroggins but weren't on him hard. Loose Heaps now we do the same with Scroggins.Offer rettig and some others but not on the guys hard. Really it was a slap in the face of rettig to be told to wait then he'd offered when it looks like we missed on Scroggins. BC been on him and was on him hard. That's why he committed to them. He wasn't told to wait by BC. They wanted him.
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