One quick observation about the AL, Ole Miss Game..

[Poppa T]

Awful lot of Lane-envy going up in here.

Did I stumble into the Bammer site? Can't be, they are blaming the refs, not One-and-Done Kiff.

 

[ochocinco]

Lane Kiffins offensive play calling set Alabama school records last year. As a HC, yeah he sucked. As an OC? He can coach circles around Debord and Jones.

So he gets credit for last year when he walked into a job where he had Amari Cooper who was the #2 pick in the draft,he had a rb that went early in the 2nd Rd but wasn't even the best rb on the team. He had the first fullback picked in the draft. All players that someone else recruited and developed mind you. And all playing behind about 8 five star lineman and oh yeah he's got that 5 star tight end

But this year it's not his fault his qb throws picks and ole miss held them to 17 pts at Tuscaloosa threw 3 qtrs.
They couldn't even score 40 on MTSU.

Last year he gets credit for records but this year it's Saban's fault for meddling ...come on.

 

[jenkins76]

So he gets credit for last year when he walked into a job where he had Amari Cooper who was the #2 pick in the draft,he had a rb that went early in the 2nd Rd but wasn't even the best rb on the team. He had the first fullback picked in the draft. All players that someone else recruited and developed mind you. And all playing behind about 8 five star lineman and oh yeah he's got that 5 star tight end

But this year it's not his fault his qb throws picks and ole miss held them to 17 pts at Tuscaloosa threw 3 qtrs.
They couldn't even score 40 on MTSU.

Last year he gets credit for records but this year it's Saban's fault for meddling ...come on.

He's the OC. It's all on him. Every OC that's been there lately has had tons of talent. He outdid them all, production-wise. And yeah, they lost this past weekend to a top 5 team. I'm not sure that indicates that he sucks. I mean, isn't our current head coach like 1-eleventybillion against ranked teams?

 

[Orange_Crush]

And he still managed to get them within one drive of winning it. Point is Bamas defense was not good.last year and the "greatest defense Saban has had" is starting to look dumb.

Kiffin came in at thw right time for them or last year they.might have stunk it up. The D is their problem. BIG plays everywhere.

Also, did 2 TOs not.come on special teams? Didn't see but half the game.

If an O gives up 5 TOs, by definition, the defense is what kept them in it to almost win.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Stop acting like being an unsuccessful head coach has anything to do with his playcalling. He's really good.

You want him to fail at everything so much you can't admit it.

He called pays and coached QBs when he was a head coach and stunk it up so badly that he was literally left stranded by administration in an airport conference room. lol With Kiffin, it has a lot to do with it.

 

[bamawriter]

If an O gives up 5 TOs, by definition, the defense is what kept them in it to almost win.

The offense didn't give up five turnovers. 2 of those came on special teams, and gave Ole Miss the ball inside the redzone both times.

Kiffin did not call a good game. He deserves criticism. But the loss isn't on him. If there's one coach who deserves to shoulder this crap more than any other, it's Bobby Williams. Our special teams has been a bad joke for a long time, and I don't understand how that dude still has a job.

 

[Orange_Crush]

The offense didn't give up five turnovers. 2 of those came on special teams, and gave Ole Miss the ball inside the redzone both times.

Kiffin did not call a good game. He deserves criticism. But the loss isn't on him. If there's one coach who deserves to shoulder this crap more than any other, it's Bobby Williams. Our special teams has been a bad joke for a long time, and I don't understand how that dude still has a job.

OK.


If an offense gives up three turnovers, and the D inherits 5, then the D, by definition, kept the team in the game if there was a chance to win at the end.

Not saying that the loss lays squarely on Kif's shoulders. But I do believe he is a VASTLY overrated OC and playcaller. I also believe he's a major slimeball that rots a program.

I also believe Saban is a very strong personality, so maybe he can overcome Kiffin's slimeballiness. We shall see.

 

[ochocinco]

All I know is Alabama has lost 2 of their last 4 games,fans are leaving early,Saban is complaining about fans booing and none of these things were happening before Kiffin got there.

 

[bamawriter]

OK.


If an offense gives up three turnovers, and the D inherits 5, then the D, by definition, kept the team in the game if there was a chance to win at the end.

Eh. The Defense gave up points after each turnover except for the last one when Ole Miss just burned clock. They gave up 3 TDs and a FG on the first four. They were short fields for the most part, and a defense can only do so much, but a better TD to FG ratio would have been nice. But the defense can't be let off the hook because they, as they always seem to do, got torched by the big play. Ole Miss couldn't sustain drives against Bama's D, but they could hit the big play to keep the game out of reach. That's unforgivable.

Kiffin must rethink his playcalling. Bama has to run the ball more. But anyone who says that Kiffin is the the source of this team's problems simply hates Kiffin. It is what it is.

 

[bamawriter]

All I know is Alabama has lost 2 of their last 4 games,fans are leaving early,Saban is complaining about fans booing and none of these things were happening before Kiffin got there.

I get it. You hate Lane Kiffin, so you're making stuff up to pin on him because it makes you feel justified. You're justified in hating him because of how he bolted on UT; you don't need to make crap up.

Saban Calls Out Fans for Leaving Early (2013)

 

[ochocinco]

Leaving early in disgust. I should have been more clear,sorry buddy. There's a difference.

 

[bamawriter]

Leaving early in disgust. I should have been more clear,sorry buddy. There's a difference.

And it's all on Kiffin. Right...

 

[ochocinco]

Hell,that alone should be a red flag that something changed within the program. One year before he gets there Saban is complaining fans are leaving early bored during blowouts. After he's been there a year,fans are leaving early in disgust during a blowout at home and Saban complains they about them booing their own team.

Coincidence? Or not his fault? Just like guy says it's not his fault his qb threw 3 picks since hes only the coordinator of the offense. Good lord.

 

[ochocinco]

And it's all on Kiffin. Right...

Nope. I'm with you on the special teams guy being unworthy of his job but that's not the issue here. Nobody here is in love with him.

 

[AirVol]

Dear Lane,

Thank you for taking the time to read this letter. As you know, there has been some concern among Alabama fans that the offense, and the quarterback play in particular, has lagged behind the defense and may well cost Alabama a chance at a championship this season. Don't get us wrong, we greatly appreciate the work that you put in last year - well, until you lost your mind against Ohio State, anyway - and came into this season excited that you would have the opportunity to choose from several talented signal-callers. With your track record in developing quarterbacks, the sky was the limit!

We learned before the season that you planned on using posterboards adorned with cartoon pictures to signal plays in to the quarterback. We won't lie, Lane, this didn't sit well with many of us because it felt too much like Auburn Alabama is a traditional program with traditional football values. We like our coach-quarterback communication to happen the old-fashioned way: via wireless radio. We groaned and came to terms with this, however, since cartoons make people happy.

More importantly, we are somewhat concerned with your jockeying with the quarterback position. Coming into the season, it certainly appeared that Jake Coker would be the starter. He had been taking almost all of the first team reps during the media viewing period and took the first starting reps at all scrimmages. While we knew that any of the quarterbacks would need time to develop, he looked to be a bit ahead of the pack. While many of us were concerned at your hesitation to name a starter, we decided that it was reasonable for you to wait until you saw both players hand off to Derrick Henry in live game action before deciding which quarterback would get to be the starting hand-off specialist. This brings us to our chief concern.

Lane, to put it bluntly, your offense has not met our expectations. It appears that the cartoon posterboards have led to a Mickey Mouse offense like the one Malzahn runs that we as traditionalists simply haven't warmed up to.

Look, we get it. The fast break style of offense is en vogue right now, similar to skinny fit men's suits. Sure, those skinny suits come in all sorts of fashionable colors and styles that more traditional suits aren't available in. To someone like yourself who is accustomed to sitting at the cool kids' table, these suits would undoubtedly be appealing.

Unfortunately, Lane, those fashionable skinny fit suits don't work for every body type. Some of the more ample-bodied among us opt for more traditional suits out of necessity, because they simply fit better. Make no mistake: this doesn't mean we aren't happy and comfortable in our more traditionally-styled attire. In fact, when we look around at others in their modern gaudy colored suits, we realize that not only will their style be out in a year or two, but that we actually look better than they do. You see, Lane, to Alabama fans classic is sexy.

This brings us back to the offense, Lane. If you weren't able to connect the dots, the hurry-up spread offense is like the gaudy skinny-fit suit. It may be stylish, but it simply doesn't fit us. Hurry-up spread offenses are meant for small, fast scat-backs, offensive linemen who are better at operating in space than knocking people over, and teams with running quarterbacks and lots of depth at wide receiver. The team that you have been entrusted with has a big, bruising running back, big linemen who like road grading, two big, capable pass-catching tight ends, and an inexperienced QB and WR corps that just lost a key member for the season due to injury. We fear that you have been trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, and that this may have been what led you to start Cooper Bateman against Ole Miss, as his skill-set matches better with your favored style. This wasn't necessarily the main reason for the loss, you falling in love with the jet sweep was turnovers were, but we believe it did contribute. Based on the looks you were getting from Coach Saban on Saturday night, we are fairly certain that he agrees.

Lane, you have two weeks until the next big game against Georgia. They are a very, very good team. You will be getting a new toy for your backfield for that game named Bo Scarbrough. Like Henry, he can best be described as a semi-truck when running the football. Two full weeks should be enough time for you to practice an offense that better suits your players. This offense should include: power O runs, power sweeps, iso runs, and play action passes. We strongly recommend pop passes as part of the play action offense - not those newfangled, cheating POP passes, mind you, the old kind where one of the tight ends pretends to run block briefly before taking off down the seam. Perhaps we can draw one up on some notebook paper for you if you aren't familiar with these. We find them to be both effective and aesthetically pleasing.

We hope you won't take this the wrong way, Lane. While we previously thought you were an insufferable douche were surprised that Coach Saban selected you, we really did appreciate the bulk of your work last season and were in fact pleasantly surprised. We know you can make this right. Your job depends on it. We can't wait to see the results.



Sincerely,



Alabama fans everywhere (*but mainly me since some people have a hard time detecting sarcasm)



P.S. Did you see our new buttons? They look great!

 

[bamawriter]

Coincidence? Or not his fault? Just like guy says it's not his fault his qb threw 3 picks since hes only the coordinator of the offense. Good lord.

Find me one post where I've said the picks weren't Kiffin's fault. I have an issue with our pass to run ratio, and our deep passing game is totally off-kilter, leading to more picks than completions at this point.

But, the offense still put up more than 500 yards and 37 points. That should be enough for any team that is built around defense to win, even with the turnovers. But, in the second half the defense allowed touchdowns on the three plays that totaled 163 yards. That's almost 40% of Ole Miss' total yardage on just 3 plays.

I'm not happy with Kiffin. Saturday was arguably his worst game as a playcaller since he came to Bama. He contributed to the loss. But the issues that have been seemingly incurable with this team are on defense and special teams. With Doug Nussmeier at the helm of the offense, Bama doesn't even come close to winning the SEC last year, because he wouldn't have scored enough to overcome our defensive woes. The fact is that, under Kiffin, Bama is putting up yardage and points at a clip that's not been seen before. The major issues lie elsewhere.

 

[Boston Vol]

Not sure what games you were watching, but bama didn't start passing til they hired your boy kiffy. Saban didn't let him walk, he got a head coaching job and took it.

Nuss didn't get a head coaching job, he left to be the OC at Michigan under Brady Hoke. Saban wanted him gone.

 

[ochocinco]

You should look at the numbers you just posted more closely.

You applaud Kiffin for 500 yards offense but mention Ole Miss scoring on 3 plays for 163 yards.

Now put 2 and 2 together. The reason Alabama rolled up 500 yards is because they ran over 100 plays from scrimmage. Gross yardage doesn't mean your offense is efficient. They were just on the field a long time sputtering along not getting in the end zone. That's failure ,do you follow? They had 17 pts after 3 qtrs. Then added 20 in the 4th when the game was over and many fans had left.

No. Kiffin is not the biggest problem. I'll agree there. But he's not the offensive genius some people here want to believe. That's all I'm saying

 

[bamawriter]

No. Kiffin is not the biggest problem. I'll agree there. But he's not the offensive genius some people here want to believe. That's all I'm saying

That's an accurate summary. Truth is, Bama shouldn't need an offensive genius calling plays. I would sell a kidney just to have Jim McElwain back as OC.