Operation Crossfire Hurricane: The FBI’s secret cabal against Trump

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#826
Orangeslice13 said:
By voting for someone even worse?
I didn’t vote Trump and won’t this time either but expectations that conservatives would vote Biden over Trump can only mean that you don’t understand the definition of conservative.

Trump is a **** Sunday
Biden is a **** Sunday without sprinkles and no cherry on top.
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Biden likes peach fuzz on his sundae.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
By voting for someone even worse?
I didn’t vote Trump and won’t this time either but expectations that conservatives would vote Biden over Trump can only mean that you don’t understand the definition of conservative.

Trump is a **** Sunday
Biden is a **** Sunday without sprinkles and no cherry on top.
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He is just one voter, but George Will is definitely a conservative Republican, and he told Lawrence O'Donnell of MSNBC last week that he will be casting his first ever vote for a Democrat on November 3rd, when he votes for Joe Biden.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
He is just one voter, but George Will is definitely a conservative Republican, and he told Lawrence O'Donnell of MSNBC last week that he will be casting his first ever vote for a Democrat on November 3rd, when he votes for Joe Biden.
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Ok. I always thought something was wrong with him. Turns out I was right.
 
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AirVol said:
Ok. I always thought something was wrong with him. Turns out I was right.
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Because he doesn't like Donald Trump? Can you cite even one form of criticism from George Will against Donald Trump which is inaccurate? The definition of being a "conservative" has nothing to do with blind loyalty to any one politician, even when that politician is the president. George Will's critiques of Trump are hard to argue with. If you have read his columns, then you know that George Will doesn't offer opinions without supporting them by examples based in established fact. I would love to see a debate between George Will and Donald Trump on what it means to be a conservative. I don't think it would leave much doubt over who the intellectual was, and also who was the self-serving fraud, that talks out of his butt.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Because he doesn't like Donald Trump? Can you cite even one form of criticism from George Will against Donald Trump which is inaccurate? The definition of being a "conservative" has nothing to do with blind loyalty to any one politician, even when that politician is the president. George Will's critiques of Trump are hard to argue with. If you have read his columns, then you know that George Will doesn't offer opinions without supporting them by examples based in established fact. I would love to see a debate between George Will and Donald Trump on what it means to be a conservative. I don't think it would leave much doubt over who the intellectual was, and also who was the self-serving fraud, that talks out of his butt.
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He should run for prez, you’d vote for him over Joe.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No, but I would vote for him over Trump.
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You’re gonna piss your vote away to a career politician that hasn’t accomplished sh!t? Or is it because Joe wants a black VP? Never mind qualifications, gotta pander to blacks. What has Joe done for blacks again?
 
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ajvol01 said:
You’d vote for Joe Biden over George Will after you’ve tried so desperately to convince us George Will’s opinion commands so much respect?

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George Will's opinion is well-respected among conservatives, who aren't just blindly following Trump ... but if you are at all familiar with my posting history on the politics forum, then you know that I'm not a conservative.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
George Will's opinion is well-respected among conservatives, who aren't just blindly following Trump ... but if you are at all familiar with my posting history on the politics forum, then you know that I'm not a conservative.
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What makes George Will a conservative? He’s certainly supported candidates and elected officials that were no where near being fiscally conservative. Instead of labeling Will a conservative you should label him a GOP establishment guy.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
He is just one voter, but George Will is definitely a conservative Republican, and he told Lawrence O'Donnell of MSNBC last week that he will be casting his first ever vote for a Democrat on November 3rd, when he votes for Joe Biden.
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Makes perfect sense
Vote for the guy who has no foundation and beliefs, who switches his opinion based on the leftist data, over the guy who’s just barely considered conservative.

Maybe he’s setting up to make some money in they train wreck economy that would follow a Biden cluster **** presidency
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
He is just one voter, but George Will is definitely a conservative Republican, and he told Lawrence O'Donnell of MSNBC last week that he will be casting his first ever vote for a Democrat on November 3rd, when he votes for Joe Biden.
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And there are Dems saying they can’t stand what’s going on in America’s cities and will vote for Trump. It cuts both ways and no one can predict what’s going to happen with the election in November.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
And there are Dems saying they can’t stand what’s going on in America’s cities and will vote for Trump. It cuts both ways and no one can predict what’s going to happen with the election in November.
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He’s voting for a spineless pedo that answers to the squad Pelosi and Schumer.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
And there are Dems saying they can’t stand what’s going on in America’s cities and will vote for Trump. It cuts both ways and no one can predict what’s going to happen with the election in November.
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Such as who? That is wishful thinking from someone who doesn't understand what motivates Dems to vote. Your line of thinking is strictly from the standpoint of a Republican. Trump is polarizing and divisive. For the most part, Trump is holding on to his base, but he will lose the election because he has lost significant independent support in key battleground states. The polls in Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, North Carolina and Arizona bear that out (Hell, the fact that we are even calling North Carolina and Arizona battleground states to begin with, bears that out) and polling data normally is a reliable forecast of what will happen in November.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Makes perfect sense
Vote for the guy who has no foundation and beliefs, who switches his opinion based on the leftist data, over the guy who’s just barely considered conservative.

Maybe he’s setting up to make some money in they train wreck economy that would follow a Biden cluster **** presidency
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Right ... because things can get so much worse following a 2nd Quarter decline of 32.9% in GDP during a Trump cluster **** presidency.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Right ... because things can get so much worse following a 2nd Quarter decline of 32.9% in GDP during a Trump cluster **** presidency.
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Much of that is because of efforts to shut down the entire economy instead of a targeted protection approach. I think he's a clown but I don't put all of this on him. The response simply doesn't make sense
 
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AirVol said:
He’s voting for a spineless pedo that answers to the squad Pelosi and Schumer.
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I understand people not liking Trump. He has plenty of faults. But I just do not understand how anyone can look at what’s going on in our country right now and think that Democrats being in power will make things better.
1. Democratic cities are being destroyed by a group supported by and likely made up of Democrats. I just spoke to someone living in NYC a few days ago who is a Dem and he said it’s like a war zone in certain parts and not at all safe.
2. Listen to what Dems, including Biden, are saying about taking funding away while some already are taking funding away from police. Biden will absolutely go along with the radical group within the Dem party.
3. Dems are all about government control. Many Dems and Never Trumpers on this very forum think that our government, which like it or not includes local and state officials, has failed in responding to this virus. If that’s the case then why in the world would you want MORE government control and involvement? That seems backwards to me. I know you all just want to blame Trump but that’s crazy to think that 1 man could cause everything you all claim. All public officials share in this response. The good, the bad, the ugly.
4. Then there’s all of the pandering to the black community. Let me ask this question though, if the black community really mattered so much to the Dems then why didn’t the Dems take action before Floyd’s death? If racist police officers is such a big issue then why didn’t the Dems do something about it before Floyd was killed? What’s interesting to me is the way the Dems come across is that they don’t think black people can have a good life or be successful without help. Without government help, Dem help, there’s no chance for the black community to improve. That seems pretty insulting to me.
5. The Green New Deal is just waiting to be put into motion. That’s even more money that’s going to be spent on something that humans have little to no control over. At least we could feel good about ourselves if we throw trillions of dollars at it though, right? Isn’t that really what it’s about? That and more government control.
6. Look at all the free stuff the Dems want to give everyone. How will all that be funded? Read my lips. Lots of new taxes.
7. The stance on immigration has become pretty clear. Dems want fully open borders, to give illegal immigrants all kinds of free stuff, and to have the citizens of this country pay for it. After all, who wouldn’t vote for someone who gives you free stuff to come to the US?
There’s more but I think the point is made. I get how people have different views on things, like abortion, but I just don’t understand how someone who loves this country and believes we are the greatest country on Earth can vote for a party that seems hell bent on destroying it. Republicans have issues too and they are part of the establishment that seems to not really want to fix problems. If politicians fix all your problems then why are they needed? Almost all politicians just want power and they use us to get it. I believe that, on a long enough timeline, we end up in the same spot whether Dems or Reps are in power. But I don’t like the direction of our country and I just think our great country is destroyed more slowly under Republican leadership. I’m not in a rush to see the US torn down.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Such as who? That is wishful thinking from someone who doesn't understand what motivates Dems to vote. Your line of thinking is strictly from the standpoint of a Republican. Trump is polarizing and divisive. For the most part, Trump is holding on to his base, but he will lose the election because he has lost significant independent support in key battleground states. The polls in Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, North Carolina and Arizona bear that out (Hell, the fact that we are even calling North Carolina and Arizona battleground states to begin with, bears that out) and polling data normally is a reliable forecast of what will happen in November.
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No one being interviewed on CNN or MSNBC because it doesn’t fit their narrative. I’ve heard several people say it. Hannity has someone on last week who said it. They’re out there so it’s no more wishful thinking than yours is but you’re too blinded by hatred of Trump to see past your own desires. Trump certainly is divisive. Never said otherwise. So are the Dems. Next point. I’m not going to quote polling at all. It’s pointless at this point in time. If I find something positive you spin it as “oh, so now you believe in poll”. As such, there’s no point in playing the game. I’ve seen your pattern and it’s the same thing every time so you can find someone else to play that game with you. All I said is no one knows what will happen with the election come November but you can’t accept that maybe, just maybe, you actually don’t know everything. Heads up BB, your partisanship is hanging out. Might want to tuck that away.
 
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utvolpj said:
Much of that is because of efforts to shut down the entire economy instead of a targeted protection approach. I think he's a clown but I don't put all of this on him. The response simply doesn't make sense
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The way that I see it, since Donald Trump took credit for economic growth, which his policies had nothing to do with... then it's fair to place blame on Trump for an economic decline, which his policies had nothing to do with. If you honestly believe that Donald Trump wouldn't have completely blamed Barack Obama for an economic collapse under identical circumstances? Then you are either giving Trump too much credit for being a mature, fair and sensible person, or else you are hopelessly naive. Donald Trump has consistently shown himself to be a political opportunist. Trump would have aggressively blamed Barack Obama and Joe Biden for the ensuing state of the economy - if the Coronavirus pandemic had occurred 5 years ago.
 
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#847
BowlBrother85 said:
The way that I see it, since Donald Trump took credit for economic growth, which his policies had nothing to do with... then it's fair to place blame on Trump for an economic decline, which his policies had nothing to do with. If you honestly believe that Donald Trump wouldn't have completely blamed Barack Obama for an economic collapse under identical circumstances? Then you are either giving Trump too much credit for being a mature, fair and sensible person, or else you are hopelessly naive. Donald Trump has consistently shown himself to be a political opportunist. Trump would have aggressively blamed Barack Obama and Joe Biden for the ensuing state of the economy - if the Coronavirus pandemic had occurred 5 years ago.
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Show me a politician who isn't a political opportunist.

Some just take it to another level depending on who is in office and the particular topic.

"Never let a good crisis go to waste."
 
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hUTch2002 said:
I understand people not liking Trump. He has plenty of faults. But I just do not understand how anyone can look at what’s going on in our country right now and think that Democrats being in power will make things better.
1. Democratic cities are being destroyed by a group supported by and likely made up of Democrats. I just spoke to someone living in NYC a few days ago who is a Dem and he said it’s like a war zone in certain parts and not at all safe.
2. Listen to what Dems, including Biden, are saying about taking funding away while some already are taking funding away from police. Biden will absolutely go along with the radical group within the Dem party.
3. Dems are all about government control. Many Dems and Never Trumpers on this very forum think that our government, which like it or not includes local and state officials, has failed in responding to this virus. If that’s the case then why in the world would you want MORE government control and involvement? That seems backwards to me. I know you all just want to blame Trump but that’s crazy to think that 1 man could cause everything you all claim. All public officials share in this response. The good, the bad, the ugly.
4. Then there’s all of the pandering to the black community. Let me ask this question though, if the black community really mattered so much to the Dems then why didn’t the Dems take action before Floyd’s death? If racist police officers is such a big issue then why didn’t the Dems do something about it before Floyd was killed? What’s interesting to me is the way the Dems come across is that they don’t think black people can have a good life or be successful without help. Without government help, Dem help, there’s no chance for the black community to improve. That seems pretty insulting to me.
5. The Green New Deal is just waiting to be put into motion. That’s even more money that’s going to be spent on something that humans have little to no control over. At least we could feel good about ourselves if we throw trillions of dollars at it though, right? Isn’t that really what it’s about? That and more government control.
6. Look at all the free stuff the Dems want to give everyone. How will all that be funded? Read my lips. Lots of new taxes.
7. The stance on immigration has become pretty clear. Dems want fully open borders, to give illegal immigrants all kinds of free stuff, and to have the citizens of this country pay for it. After all, who wouldn’t vote for someone who gives you free stuff to come to the US?
There’s more but I think the point is made. I get how people have different views on things, like abortion, but I just don’t understand how someone who loves this country and believes we are the greatest country on Earth can vote for a party that seems hell bent on destroying it. Republicans have issues too and they are part of the establishment that seems to not really want to fix problems. If politicians fix all your problems then why are they needed? Almost all politicians just want power and they use us to get it. I believe that, on a long enough timeline, we end up in the same spot whether Dems or Reps are in power. But I don’t like the direction of our country and I just think our great country is destroyed more slowly under Republican leadership. I’m not in a rush to see the US torn down.
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Number four is spot on. The latent racism of white democrats is that black people are easily triggered, slow minded and have to have the benevolent white progressive there to protect them and provide for them.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
I understand people not liking Trump. He has plenty of faults. But I just do not understand how anyone can look at what’s going on in our country right now and think that Democrats being in power will make things better.
1. Democratic cities are being destroyed by a group supported by and likely made up of Democrats. I just spoke to someone living in NYC a few days ago who is a Dem and he said it’s like a war zone in certain parts and not at all safe.
2. Listen to what Dems, including Biden, are saying about taking funding away while some already are taking funding away from police. Biden will absolutely go along with the radical group within the Dem party.
3. Dems are all about government control. Many Dems and Never Trumpers on this very forum think that our government, which like it or not includes local and state officials, has failed in responding to this virus. If that’s the case then why in the world would you want MORE government control and involvement? That seems backwards to me. I know you all just want to blame Trump but that’s crazy to think that 1 man could cause everything you all claim. All public officials share in this response. The good, the bad, the ugly.
4. Then there’s all of the pandering to the black community. Let me ask this question though, if the black community really mattered so much to the Dems then why didn’t the Dems take action before Floyd’s death? If racist police officers is such a big issue then why didn’t the Dems do something about it before Floyd was killed? What’s interesting to me is the way the Dems come across is that they don’t think black people can have a good life or be successful without help. Without government help, Dem help, there’s no chance for the black community to improve. That seems pretty insulting to me.
5. The Green New Deal is just waiting to be put into motion. That’s even more money that’s going to be spent on something that humans have little to no control over. At least we could feel good about ourselves if we throw trillions of dollars at it though, right? Isn’t that really what it’s about? That and more government control.
6. Look at all the free stuff the Dems want to give everyone. How will all that be funded? Read my lips. Lots of new taxes.
7. The stance on immigration has become pretty clear. Dems want fully open borders, to give illegal immigrants all kinds of free stuff, and to have the citizens of this country pay for it. After all, who wouldn’t vote for someone who gives you free stuff to come to the US?
There’s more but I think the point is made. I get how people have different views on things, like abortion, but I just don’t understand how someone who loves this country and believes we are the greatest country on Earth can vote for a party that seems hell bent on destroying it. Republicans have issues too and they are part of the establishment that seems to not really want to fix problems. If politicians fix all your problems then why are they needed? Almost all politicians just want power and they use us to get it. I believe that, on a long enough timeline, we end up in the same spot whether Dems or Reps are in power. But I don’t like the direction of our country and I just think our great country is destroyed more slowly under Republican leadership. I’m not in a rush to see the US torn down.
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Much of this is archaic thinking... and as for #6? Give me a break. The Trump Administration is deficit spending like nobody ever has but you are pretending to care about how things are going to be paid for? That is a crock. Trump was going to outspend Obama even before the pandemic.
 
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