optimistic outlook vs pessimistic

#26
#26
Hey, VN...panic much??
This is early in the year. They are playing a lot more bodies now than I think we will see after Xmas. CCM will work this team towards consistency especially once Maymon returns. If you don't relax now then the other 7/8 games we lose this year will give you a heart attack.
 
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#27
Stoked4Zo said:
Also there won't be another game this year, that was this early in the AM. From the sound of things most people on here have never played organized basketball and have never had to play this early.
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FYI, it is an hour earlier in Stillwater, Ok. They were playing at 9:30 on their clocks. Get over it.
 
#28
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Brentwoodvolfan said:
Guys relax!!! If you follow BB much at all you remember last year??? Coach lets them play their way as teaching tool. In other words gives them enough rope to hang themselves. Then he says your way won't work this is how we do it period. He has lots of new parts that are jelling. At 1st I was watching 1st couple of games and thinking he's not coaching as hard as last year, then I remember him talking about that!! It's a long year and coach still has some work to do. Let's just relax and watch it work out!!! Trust me what's not working is fixable!!!
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CCM or you can let me know in advance which games are going to be teaching tool games...I'll find something else to do on those occasions. I prefer to watch players and coaches give it their all for 40 min. every time out.

Btw, if we would have had one less 'teachable moment' game last year we might've made the Dance.
 
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#30
#30
Nothing optimistic from this performance. Oklahoma State out played, out coached and out hustled us. We had 5 assists as a team for the entire game? How is that even possible? Not having Maymon really hurts this team and doesn't bode well for the future since he is a senior and as of now we have no post players coming in next year. I don't understand why CCM has been so insistent on trying to make a PG out of Golden other then his inability to recruit one but it's painfully obvious that Golden should be a SG. CCM's recruiting has been in bottom third of the SEC and so far it appears the rankings don't lie. I say this based on individual player performances and how they look not based on what the team did in one game.
 
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Brentwoodvolfan said:
Guys relax!!! If you follow BB much at all you remember last year??? Coach lets them play their way as teaching tool. In other words gives them enough rope to hang themselves. Then he says your way won't work this is how we do it period. He has lots of new parts that are jelling. At 1st I was watching 1st couple of games and thinking he's not coaching as hard as last year, then I remember him talking about that!! It's a long year and coach still has some work to do. Let's just relax and watch it work out!!! Trust me what's not working is fixable!!!
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There are really not that many "new parts" out there. I can understand the teaching tool games argument early last year since it was CCM's first year but now not so much. I guess now when we lose it's going to be a teaching tool game.
 
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GLDunlap said:
Who "called" for Golden? It's not his fault he's playing out of position. Do you honestly think Goldens best position is PG? Honestly?
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Yes without a doubt. He already gets his shot blocked a decent amount, imagine him trying to shoot over Kenny Boynton.

One of his biggest strengths is his strength when driving...that strength wouldn't be a "strength" if he was playing the 2.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Yes without a doubt. He already gets his shot blocked a decent amount, imagine him trying to shoot over Kenny Boynton.

One of his biggest strengths is his strength when driving...that strength wouldn't be a "strength" if he was playing the 2.
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Sure it would there is no reason a 2 guard can't drive to the basket. I'm sure RH will be driving to the basket from the 2. This team needs more scoring and that could come from Golden if he wasn't being neutralized. At 6'2" he isn't any more likely to get his shot blocked at the 2 then he is the 1. We don't play against Kenny Boynton every game. Everyone recruited Golden as a SG including Tennessee but he was moved to PG out of necessity.

btw, calling other people idiots doesn't make you any smarter but it does make you the real idiot.
 
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GLDunlap said:
Sure it would there is no reason a 2 guard can't drive to the basket. I'm sure RH will be driving to the basket from the 2. This team needs more scoring and that could come from Golden if he wasn't being neutralized. At 6'2" he isn't any more likely to get his shot blocked at the 2 then he is the 1. We don't play against Kenny Boynton every game. Everyone recruited Golden as a SG including Tennessee but he was moved to PG out of necessity.

btw, calling other people idiots doesn't make you any smarter but it does make you the real idiot.
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And how tall is RH?

He isn't anymore likely to get his shot blocked at the 2 than the 1? Really?

He's 6'1"...how many 2 guards are 6'1" or smaller? In the SEC....

We could always much him up with Archie Goodwin from UK, I'm sure he'd fair well.

And for arguments sake, ok let's move Trae to the 2...who on earth is running the point?

Also fwiw...golden through 3 games is averaging about 5 assists 1 turnover a game...that's top notch.
 
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#39
#39
No matter how you look at it, we are not good. Not gonna be many easy wins this year. Hope Oakland doesnt beat us 2 years in a row.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
And how tall is RH?

He isn't anymore likely to get his shot blocked at the 2 than the 1? Really?

He's 6'1"...how many 2 guards are 6'1" or smaller? In the SEC....

We could always much him up with Archie Goodwin from UK, I'm sure he'd fair well.

And for arguments sake, ok let's move Trae to the 2...who on earth is running the point?

Also fwiw...golden through 3 games is averaging about 5 assists 1 turnover a game...that's top notch.
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Trae definitely needs to stay at the point. Moore might turn into a good PG, right now his left hand scares me as far as handles. I agree trae is far and away our best option at point. People that want a guy to get 8-10 assists per, are just unreasonable. IMO
 
#43
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GLDunlap said:
There are really not that many "new parts" out there. I can understand the teaching tool games argument early last year since it was CCM's first year but now not so much. I guess now when we lose it's going to be a teaching tool game.
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New starters would be the new parts, players that weren't relied on now are. That's new also, so lets give team time to jell. We know he can coach, but players are hard headed sometimes. You have to let them run into wall if they don't listen where door is. How many times have you heard him say feed the ball into paint. What did they do today????? Every team will have loses, and yes most will have some they are not suppose to. Let's give em a few games to adjust without JM, before we throw towel in!!
 
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therealitytheory said:
CCM or you can let me know in advance which games are going to be teaching tool games...I'll find something else to do on those occasions. I prefer to watch players and coaches give it their all for 40 min. every time out.

Btw, if we would have had one less 'teachable moment' game last year we might've made the Dance.
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If you want to win every game go do something else. Nobody said they weren't giving there all, it's the 3rd game and we are 2-1. You think they won't get better, if not then don't watch any of them. It's the 3rd game of the man's 2nd year, let lighten up and give it a few more games!!!!
 
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Atzar said:
This team can't get itself good shots. Their first option is to get the ball to Stokes and hope he bails them out (he didn't today). Their second option is to pass the ball around the perimeter until somebody takes a jumper (those didn't fall today).

They need to fix this. Set screens, drive to the hoop, cut off the ball, put pressure on the defense. Today, they couldn't make shots on the perimeter and that allowed OKST to just pack the paint. Good shooting and good ball movement can open up good looks (and we had neither today), but good player movement can do it as well. That's scheme, and I hope Cuonzo improves it.
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I think the team will much better than they showed yesterday. CCM has been playing almost everyone dressed out. He is looking for combinations that will play well together. This is actually a very young team with a lot to learn. He will determine
his rotation before SEC play begins. I am concerned about all the fouls and missed foul shots, but both will improve as the rotation is determined. I have heard that Golden has played well in practice and in the test with Ga. Tech, but he seemed to revert back to some of his old habits against UNCA in the second half and against OSU. I believe that can be turned around. Lets not get too upset until we seen what develops as the season progresses. We do need Mayman back so he an get into playing shape.
 
#49
#49
Are we sure this is just the 3rd game of the year? I've never seen so many people give up on a team after 3 games. People do realize we have 27 games or so left. Yes we got blown out by OK State. Shooting 27 percent from the field doesn't help. Just wait a little before your certain this season isn't going anywhere.
 
#50
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zjcvols said:
It's like I saw this overreaction last year.
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We predicted a meltdown with the first loss didn't we.
Good grief. 3 games into the season and already have our worst game of the season out of the way.
Won't be many if anymore games where we shoot under 30%.
Come January and conference play Stokes will have it together and shooters will be more confident.
RELAX!!!
 
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