Oregon Woes Update

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wheaton4prez

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What is the AD's stance on their future with the team? Are they going to wait until the courts finish with them and see where they stand, or are they definitely keeping them on the team?
 
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I haven't heard any updated statements from them. But, I'm sure that one is forthcoming soon.

Masoli has only been charged. So, I'm guessing they will wait to hear whether he is found guilty or not.

Not sure what they will do if James pleads 'no contest' and it's not clear which charge(s) he will plea to.

I'd say that there's a pretty good chance that neither player is available for the Tennessee game.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Who cares what Freddy thought?

I could just as easily quote Stalin here.
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I think he makes a valid point in that statement.

Besides, what makes you think that Nietzsche has anything to do with or is comparable in any way to Stalin?
 
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wheaton4prez said:
I think he makes a valid point in that statement.

Besides, what makes you think that Nietzsche has anything to do with or is comparable in any way to Stalin?
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Fine. He might make a point. I don't agree.

You're arguing a philosophical point and any opinion s as valid as any other on that point.

Spare the rod and spoil the child - not Nietzsche
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BigPapaVol said:
Fine. He might make a point. I don't agree.

You're arguing a philosophical point and any opinion s as valid as any other on that point.

Spare the rod and spoil the child - not Nietzsche
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I see. So, your problem is with me crediting the source of the line?

Would you be ok with it if I wrote the exact same thing and pretended that I came up with it?
 
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wheaton4prez said:
I see. So, your problem is with me crediting the source of the line?

Would you be ok with it if I wrote the exact same thing and pretended that I came up with it?
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Not at all. I'm saying quoting someone on a philosophical issue doesn't make your opinion any more valid. He had an opinion, just like everyone else. Punishment has its place, regardless of his opinion.
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BigPapaVol said:
Not at all. I'm saying quoting someone on a philosophical issue doesn't make your opinion any more valid. He had an opinion, just like everyone else. Punishment has its place, regardless of his opinion.
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His quote is about people and their relationship to punishment. I agree with his point in relation to the opinion posted here.

Yes. Punishment has its place. However, I think that it's true that we should be wary of people who have a strong impulse to punish. In this case, it wouldn't take much research to discover that droski is a person that judges others (Chip Kelly in particular) based on superficialities and speculation. Thus, the quote and distrust are warranted.
 
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IPorange said:
Are they going to practice with the team, or are they suspended?
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Athletic department spokesman David Williford said there would be no comment on James' situation until after Friday's change-of-plea hearing. Williford also said the university is waiting to gather more information from the district attorney's office before issuing a statement on Masoli.
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Oregon football: Jeremiah Masoli, Garrett Embry charged in fraternity house theft | OregonLive.com
 
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IPorange said:
So if they aren't found guilty, nothing is going to happen? Because that is what it is starting to sound like. Typically, you would hear a "suspended indefinitely" type phrase that can mean whatever they want it to mean later.
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I don't know that that is typical. It seems like some have suspended players like that in some cases. However, many others haven't while cases were pending.

Personally, if someone is found to not be guilty, I think it's better if the person wasn't punished. I wouldn't want to be punished for something that I didn't do. Would you?
 
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considering it took them 2 months to charge em me thinks they have the evidence. not suspending him reinforces the belief held by many that all kelly cares about is winning.
 
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wheaton4prez said:
I haven't heard any updated statements from them. But, I'm sure that one is forthcoming soon.

Masoli has only been charged. So, I'm guessing they will wait to hear whether he is found guilty or not.

Not sure what they will do if James pleads 'no contest' and it's not clear which charge(s) he will plea to.

I'd say that there's a pretty good chance that neither player is available for the Tennessee game.
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Who is the backup to Masoli?
 
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volwindy said:
Who is the backup to Masoli?
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wheaton4prez said:
I don't know that that is typical. It seems like some have suspended players like that in some cases. However, many others haven't while cases were pending.

Personally, if someone is found to not be guilty, I think it's better if the person wasn't punished. I wouldn't want to be punished for something that I didn't do. Would you?
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Took Bruce Pearl about 24 hours to "indefinitely suspend" 4 of our basketball players (including our best player) after a traffic stop arrest, and I don't think marijuana and gun possession charges are on the same level as burglary. Those that were found not guilty were reinstated at a later time. None of them practiced with the team until reinstated.

You should want your coach to do something similar, especially in the football off-season. Any inaction on these matters will generally be seen in the most negative light by the media, opposing fans, etc. Events like these are what negative recruiters (those coaches down at USC possibly) live on.
 
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^ Marijuana, no. Gun charges, yes.

And sorta with the recruiting... Oregon isn't quite fighting with USC for the same recruits. If UofO gets kids from Cali, it's mostly JuCo's and kids under the radar that USC might not even be looking at.
 
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wheaton4prez said:
I don't know that that is typical. It seems like some have suspended players like that in some cases. However, many others haven't while cases were pending.

Personally, if someone is found to not be guilty, I think it's better if the person wasn't punished. I wouldn't want to be punished for something that I didn't do. Would you?
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Not being convicted of a crime doesn't mean one was acting as a good representative of their team and university. I understand that it wouldn't be right to burn them at the stake without knowing the facts, but all because someone is "innocent' in the legal sense doesn't mean they are without fault. UT has had more than it's fair share of problems, and players are suspended and disciplined to some extent even when not found guilty, or even officially charged. In fact, I believe there is a "zero tolerance" measure in place now.

I'm not saying Oregon has to do the same or that UT is thus morally superior, I am just saying a precedent of "no conviction, no foul" will probably not work out favorably on several levels.
 
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milohimself said:
^ Marijuana, no. Gun charges, yes.

And sorta with the recruiting... Oregon isn't quite fighting with USC for the same recruits. If UofO gets kids from Cali, it's mostly JuCo's and kids under the radar that USC might not even be looking at.
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they also take players taht ucla, usc, and cal would never touch because of their questionable backgrounds. that policy is starting to backfire.
 
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droski said:
they also take players taht ucla, usc, and cal would never touch because of their questionable backgrounds. that policy is starting to backfire.
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I imagine there are some kids that could never cut it academically at the California schools that Oregon can pick up as well. Not that Oregon is a bad school, but rather Cal is elite and USC and UCLA are quite formidable academically themselves.
 
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Oregon is actually one of the better liberal arts schools on the west coast.

OSU, Wazzu and ASU are the only schools in the Pac-10 that aren't terribly difficult to get in to.
 
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